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NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - First Reactions NO SPOILERS please

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,624
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    DCisared wrote: »
    Yea what does the title sequence look like? Without actually telling us :))

    I don't want to give away too much but the first moments of the title sequence are INCREDIBLE and then it turns into something kind of super dark (visually, not thematically) and I wasn't very fond of it. It's the only moment in the film whose details I've already forgotten significant amounts of. Probably my least favourite Kleinman sequence other than the abysmal DAD one. But honestly if my biggest complaints about the entire film are that I don't particularly enjoy the theme song and title sequence, that should tell you how I feel about the overall film ;)

    Could you tell if Craig has shot a new gunbarrel sequence for this one?

    Maybe put your answer in spoiler tags in case anyone doesn't want to know! :)
  • JohnBarryJohnBarry Dublin
    Posts: 34
    My prediction is that it will be very well received by critics and the general movie-going public but will be extremely divisive amongst life long Bond fans.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,011
    JohnBarry wrote: »
    My prediction is that it will be very well received by critics and the general movie-going public but will be extremely divisive amongst life long Bond fans.

    Welcome to the forums! This is the exact assessment I have too, as do others. It seems like it's a hit with critics but fans are going to be sorely, wildly divided.
  • SomethingThatAteHimSomethingThatAteHim
    Posts: 533
    I was expecting (maybe hoping?) that it would be the opposite, not as well received as Skyfall but a much more unanimously than enjoyed film among the hardcore Bond fans. Seems like the first part of my prediction is true, but the second part might not. Overall though it looks like it has a pretty good reception regardless, even if it will probably settle in the middle of Craig’s movies.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,233
    When I see comments like “Cubby would have never done this” I dunno what to tell you. The guy has been dead for nearly 30 years. We know for a fact that he shot down the Bond Begins pitch in 1986, because he believed audiences wouldn’t have accepted seeing a novice Bond. We know he would have not cast Craig just on height alone, as he once dismissed Burt Reynolds as a potential Bond just because he was “a shrimp”. And yet on both points his children proved him wrong. This is not Cubby’s show anymore. It hasn’t been since 1989. And it may be over for MGW as well after this.
  • SomethingThatAteHimSomethingThatAteHim
    Posts: 533
    They’ve certainly taken the most gambles and departures with series tradition with the Craig era, for better or worse. I think a lot of those certainly payed off, not the least of which is Craig himself. Though I can’t say I’m not hoping for a return to safe, traditional ground for the next Bond era; but then again, I’ve never been much of a gambler.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    Posts: 2,252
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    When I see comments like “Cubby would have never done this”

    Without knowing the specifics about NTTD, I agree. Cubby gave us Bond in space. And succeeded.

    Same with this era. For better or worse, whether one likes it or not, they've done well in keeping Bond in the public eye.

  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Classified
    Posts: 265
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    DCisared wrote: »
    Yea what does the title sequence look like? Without actually telling us :))

    I don't want to give away too much but the first moments of the title sequence are INCREDIBLE and then it turns into something kind of super dark (visually, not thematically) and I wasn't very fond of it. It's the only moment in the film whose details I've already forgotten significant amounts of. Probably my least favourite Kleinman sequence other than the abysmal DAD one. But honestly if my biggest complaints about the entire film are that I don't particularly enjoy the theme song and title sequence, that should tell you how I feel about the overall film ;)

    I think I saw a spoiler in one of the threads regarding the PTS and I’m giddy about it. Not too thrilled about the rest of what I’m hearing though.. It sounds like it’s maybe worse or on par with DAD and forgettable? Sheesh.
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,402
    mtm wrote: »
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    DCisared wrote: »
    Yea what does the title sequence look like? Without actually telling us :))

    I don't want to give away too much but the first moments of the title sequence are INCREDIBLE and then it turns into something kind of super dark (visually, not thematically) and I wasn't very fond of it. It's the only moment in the film whose details I've already forgotten significant amounts of. Probably my least favourite Kleinman sequence other than the abysmal DAD one. But honestly if my biggest complaints about the entire film are that I don't particularly enjoy the theme song and title sequence, that should tell you how I feel about the overall film ;)

    Could you tell if Craig has shot a new gunbarrel sequence for this one?

    Maybe put your answer in spoiler tags in case anyone doesn't want to know! :)

    Re: the gunbarrel
    It looked to me like Craig shot new footage, I don't believe it was the SPECTRE gunbarrel footage. The overall gunbarrel itself is VERY different particularly in how it ends, the most atypical one of the series with the exception of Casino Royale's, and even then it's a close call.
  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Classified
    Posts: 265
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    DCisared wrote: »
    Yea what does the title sequence look like? Without actually telling us :))

    I don't want to give away too much but the first moments of the title sequence are INCREDIBLE and then it turns into something kind of super dark (visually, not thematically) and I wasn't very fond of it. It's the only moment in the film whose details I've already forgotten significant amounts of. Probably my least favourite Kleinman sequence other than the abysmal DAD one. But honestly if my biggest complaints about the entire film are that I don't particularly enjoy the theme song and title sequence, that should tell you how I feel about the overall film ;)

    Could you tell if Craig has shot a new gunbarrel sequence for this one?

    Maybe put your answer in spoiler tags in case anyone doesn't want to know! :)

    Re: the gunbarrel
    It looked to me like Craig shot new footage, I don't believe it was the SPECTRE gunbarrel footage. The overall gunbarrel itself is VERY different particularly in how it ends, the most atypical one of the series with the exception of Casino Royale's, and even then it's a close call.

    *Groans*… 😐
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,624
    Interesting, thanks!
  • MeanwhileMeanwhile Brooklyn
    Posts: 34
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    When I see comments like “Cubby would have never done this” I dunno what to tell you. The guy has been dead for nearly 30 years. We know for a fact that he shot down the Bond Begins pitch in 1986, because he believed audiences wouldn’t have accepted seeing a novice Bond. We know he would have not cast Craig just on height alone, as he once dismissed Burt Reynolds as a potential Bond just because he was “a shrimp”. And yet on both points his children proved him wrong. This is not Cubby’s show anymore. It hasn’t been since 1989. And it may be over for MGW as well after this.

    Gotta say, I love your take on things as I read more through this forum and you and I are pretty much in agreement.
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,402
    Gatecrasher wrote: »
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    DCisared wrote: »
    Yea what does the title sequence look like? Without actually telling us :))

    I don't want to give away too much but the first moments of the title sequence are INCREDIBLE and then it turns into something kind of super dark (visually, not thematically) and I wasn't very fond of it. It's the only moment in the film whose details I've already forgotten significant amounts of. Probably my least favourite Kleinman sequence other than the abysmal DAD one. But honestly if my biggest complaints about the entire film are that I don't particularly enjoy the theme song and title sequence, that should tell you how I feel about the overall film ;)

    Could you tell if Craig has shot a new gunbarrel sequence for this one?

    Maybe put your answer in spoiler tags in case anyone doesn't want to know! :)

    Re: the gunbarrel
    It looked to me like Craig shot new footage, I don't believe it was the SPECTRE gunbarrel footage. The overall gunbarrel itself is VERY different particularly in how it ends, the most atypical one of the series with the exception of Casino Royale's, and even then it's a close call.

    *Groans*… 😐
    I know it's frustrating that he never got a full on traditional gunbarrel, but this is arguably the closest one. It at least opens onto the scene and is better than all three of the gunbarrels from Quantum through SPECTRE.
  • tqbtqb
    Posts: 1,022
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    Gatecrasher wrote: »
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    DCisared wrote: »
    Yea what does the title sequence look like? Without actually telling us :))

    I don't want to give away too much but the first moments of the title sequence are INCREDIBLE and then it turns into something kind of super dark (visually, not thematically) and I wasn't very fond of it. It's the only moment in the film whose details I've already forgotten significant amounts of. Probably my least favourite Kleinman sequence other than the abysmal DAD one. But honestly if my biggest complaints about the entire film are that I don't particularly enjoy the theme song and title sequence, that should tell you how I feel about the overall film ;)

    Could you tell if Craig has shot a new gunbarrel sequence for this one?

    Maybe put your answer in spoiler tags in case anyone doesn't want to know! :)

    Re: the gunbarrel
    It looked to me like Craig shot new footage, I don't believe it was the SPECTRE gunbarrel footage. The overall gunbarrel itself is VERY different particularly in how it ends, the most atypical one of the series with the exception of Casino Royale's, and even then it's a close call.

    *Groans*… 😐
    I know it's frustrating that he never got a full on traditional gunbarrel, but this is arguably the closest one. It at least opens onto the scene and is better than all three of the gunbarrels from Quantum through SPECTRE.
    I think it's somewhat fitting that Craig never has a "traditional" gun barrel
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,402
    tqb wrote: »
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    Gatecrasher wrote: »
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    DCisared wrote: »
    Yea what does the title sequence look like? Without actually telling us :))

    I don't want to give away too much but the first moments of the title sequence are INCREDIBLE and then it turns into something kind of super dark (visually, not thematically) and I wasn't very fond of it. It's the only moment in the film whose details I've already forgotten significant amounts of. Probably my least favourite Kleinman sequence other than the abysmal DAD one. But honestly if my biggest complaints about the entire film are that I don't particularly enjoy the theme song and title sequence, that should tell you how I feel about the overall film ;)

    Could you tell if Craig has shot a new gunbarrel sequence for this one?

    Maybe put your answer in spoiler tags in case anyone doesn't want to know! :)

    Re: the gunbarrel
    It looked to me like Craig shot new footage, I don't believe it was the SPECTRE gunbarrel footage. The overall gunbarrel itself is VERY different particularly in how it ends, the most atypical one of the series with the exception of Casino Royale's, and even then it's a close call.

    *Groans*… 😐
    I know it's frustrating that he never got a full on traditional gunbarrel, but this is arguably the closest one. It at least opens onto the scene and is better than all three of the gunbarrels from Quantum through SPECTRE.
    I think it's somewhat fitting that Craig never has a "traditional" gun barrel

    That's where I'm at, too. At least they were consistent about that.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,086
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    Gatecrasher wrote: »
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    DCisared wrote: »
    Yea what does the title sequence look like? Without actually telling us :))

    I don't want to give away too much but the first moments of the title sequence are INCREDIBLE and then it turns into something kind of super dark (visually, not thematically) and I wasn't very fond of it. It's the only moment in the film whose details I've already forgotten significant amounts of. Probably my least favourite Kleinman sequence other than the abysmal DAD one. But honestly if my biggest complaints about the entire film are that I don't particularly enjoy the theme song and title sequence, that should tell you how I feel about the overall film ;)

    Could you tell if Craig has shot a new gunbarrel sequence for this one?

    Maybe put your answer in spoiler tags in case anyone doesn't want to know! :)

    Re: the gunbarrel
    It looked to me like Craig shot new footage, I don't believe it was the SPECTRE gunbarrel footage. The overall gunbarrel itself is VERY different particularly in how it ends, the most atypical one of the series with the exception of Casino Royale's, and even then it's a close call.

    *Groans*… 😐
    I know it's frustrating that he never got a full on traditional gunbarrel, but this is arguably the closest one. It at least opens onto the scene and is better than all three of the gunbarrels from Quantum through SPECTRE.

    That's encouraging 👍
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,233
    I think it’s funny Craig never had a “traditional” gun barrel.

    If I did one of these films, I would have just used the ones from FRWL and GF where instead of the iris opening the white dots get smaller until we cut to the PTS.
  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Classified
    Posts: 265
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    Gatecrasher wrote: »
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    DCisared wrote: »
    Yea what does the title sequence look like? Without actually telling us :))

    I don't want to give away too much but the first moments of the title sequence are INCREDIBLE and then it turns into something kind of super dark (visually, not thematically) and I wasn't very fond of it. It's the only moment in the film whose details I've already forgotten significant amounts of. Probably my least favourite Kleinman sequence other than the abysmal DAD one. But honestly if my biggest complaints about the entire film are that I don't particularly enjoy the theme song and title sequence, that should tell you how I feel about the overall film ;)

    Could you tell if Craig has shot a new gunbarrel sequence for this one?

    Maybe put your answer in spoiler tags in case anyone doesn't want to know! :)

    Re: the gunbarrel
    It looked to me like Craig shot new footage, I don't believe it was the SPECTRE gunbarrel footage. The overall gunbarrel itself is VERY different particularly in how it ends, the most atypical one of the series with the exception of Casino Royale's, and even then it's a close call.

    *Groans*… 😐
    I know it's frustrating that he never got a full on traditional gunbarrel, but this is arguably the closest one. It at least opens onto the scene and is better than all three of the gunbarrels from Quantum through SPECTRE.

    Ok, now I’m not *too* letdown, based on your description of it. I’m always looking forward to this aspect of a Bond film, so it’ll be cool to see how it plays out…. especially after a 6 year wait!
  • MartinBondMartinBond Trying not to muck it up again
    edited September 2021 Posts: 863
    Breaking some most requested things down:
    SOME LOCATIONS AND ORDER OF APPEARANCE INSIDE.
    Gunbarrel
    very unusual, new music, beginning, walk, barrel design ánd ending. Does opendirectly into the film, no pretentious text.
    PTS
    Norway-Matera, Flashback ánd current day, nice transition, wonderfully shot, recognisable music.
    TITLE SEQUENCE
    Might just be my favourite Kleinman so far. There's a nod to Bond of years gone by in the very first effect, the symbolism is beautiful,
    Eilish' song works great and the way it is edited gives the song even more impact. Purely wonderful.
    "Act 1"
    Jamaica, and Cuba, both well shot and with some plot twists already. A few nice easter eggs, some jokes, some intrigue.
    ACT 2
    London-Norway. Again, some great footage, definite Waller-Bridge dialogue, lóts of exposition, with in my opinion some weird written interaction between some characters. Some of the same establishing shots are a nice touch,
    action sequence shorter than I expected, but satisfying.
    Act 3:
    Faroe Islands-London. Finale keeps building up, Bond and Nomi are a good team, again some unexpected twists thanks to the trailers deliberately mismatching dialogue and footage. Villains lair finale is very well done and beautifully shot, and the last scene of the film is a nice book-end to the opening.

    Anything else, feel free to ask. Seen it twice now, going for my third take in approx. 2,5 hours😁
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,624
    Your third?! So that means over the last 24 hours surely most of your time has been taken up watching NTTD? :D
  • MartinBondMartinBond Trying not to muck it up again
    Posts: 863
    mtm wrote: »
    Your third?! So that means over the last 24 hours surely most of your time has been taken up watching NTTD? :D

    You're almost making it sound like it's a bad thing.
  • foo_yukfoo_yuk Canada
    Posts: 26
    MartinBond wrote: »
    Breaking some most requested things down:
    SOME LOCATIONS AND ORDER OF APPEARANCE INSIDE.
    Gunbarrel
    very unusual, new music, beginning, walk, barrel design ánd ending. Does opendirectly into the film, no pretentious text.
    PTS
    Norway-Matera, Flashback ánd current day, nice transition, wonderfully shot, recognisable music.
    TITLE SEQUENCE
    Might just be my favourite Kleinman so far. There's a nod to Bond of years gone by in the very first effect, the symbolism is beautiful,
    Eilish' song works great and the way it is edited gives the song even more impact. Purely wonderful.
    "Act 1"
    Jamaica, and Cuba, both well shot and with some plot twists already. A few nice easter eggs, some jokes, some intrigue.
    ACT 2
    London-Norway. Again, some great footage, definite Waller-Bridge dialogue, lóts of exposition, with in my opinion some weird written interaction between some characters. Some of the same establishing shots are a nice touch,
    action sequence shorter than I expected, but satisfying.
    Act 3:
    Faroe Islands-London. Finale keeps building up, Bond and Nomi are a good team, again some unexpected twists thanks to the trailers deliberately mismatching dialogue and footage. Villains lair finale is very well done and beautifully shot, and the last scene of the film is a nice book-end to the opening.

    Anything else, feel free to ask. Seen it twice now, going for my third take in approx. 2,5 hours😁
    Heard there was an Easter egg tribute to Sean Connery, is that true? Hadn’t heard that from anyone else.
  • foo_yukfoo_yuk Canada
    Posts: 26
    Also is Safin’s demise satisfying/memorable/badass?
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    Posts: 4,490
    Watched NTTD two hours ago.
    The PTS is once more a highlight. The movie has some beautiful shots. Craig does a great job. Ana de Armas is amazing.
    Safin should get more screen time, imo.
  • ringfire211ringfire211
    Posts: 655
    Won’t see it here in the states until sometime in October or later. Wonder if anyone who saw it thinks it’s Craig’s best. I know most consider CR to be his holy grail even though personally I thought SF was his best.
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,402
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    Won’t see it here in the states until sometime in October or later. Wonder if anyone who saw it thinks it’s Craig’s best. I know most consider CR to be his holy grail even though personally I thought SF was his best.

    I'm braving rocky ground with this forum right now but my friend Clayton Davis who writes for Variety thinks NTTD is the best of Craig's run.
  • leas_moleleas_mole love is the promise of suffering
    Posts: 574
    Went to the midnight showing. The film did not seem long at all. The cinematography was gorgeous. I really enjoyed it and the while cast was amazing.
  • antovolkantovolk
    edited September 2021 Posts: 3,164
    Yeah I cried, Fukunaga you madman.

    Is it basically Dark Knight Rises, right with all its messiness relative to the previous high bar (in this case CR and SF)? yes. Firmly in the middle of the pack there of the Craig era.

    Did I still love it? Yes. It's everything I wanted it to be not just from when I walked out of Spectre, but when I saw my first big screen Bond which was - yes - QoS. This and SP being the films where Bond goes after the bastards.

    Was it worth the however many miles away I am for full 1.43 IMAX? YES.

    As people have said it's emotional, it wears its heart and inspirations very much on its sleeve - almost to a fault - it also is the real "let's throw everything and the kitchen sink at Craig" film - it mixes so much tonally but somehow all works out in the end. And did not drag at all....
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,592
    antovolk wrote: »
    Yeah I cried, Fukunaga you madman.

    Is it basically Dark Knight Rises, right with all its messiness relative to the previous high bar (in this case CR and SF)? yes. Firmly in the middle of the pack there of the Craig era.

    Did I still love it? Yes. It's everything I wanted it to be not just from when I walked out of Spectre, but when I saw my first big screen Bond which was - yes - QoS. This and SP being the films where Bond goes after the bastards.

    Was it worth the however many miles away I am for full 1.43 IMAX? YES.

    As people have said it's emotional, it wears its heart and inspirations very much on its sleeve - almost to a fault - it also is the real "let's throw everything and the kitchen sink at Craig" film - it mixes so much tonally but somehow all works out in the end. And did not drag at all....
    Glad to hear this, I adore Dark Knight Rises.
  • JimjambondJimjambond
    Posts: 328
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    Won’t see it here in the states until sometime in October or later. Wonder if anyone who saw it thinks it’s Craig’s best. I know most consider CR to be his holy grail even though personally I thought SF was his best.

    It's certainly Crsig's most dynamic role, in that he has a lot to do and say. It's definitely not Craig's best, although, I'd say he comes off like a combination of Moore and Brosnan but with Craigisms.
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