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I look forward to the next casting though. I hope Babs goes left-field once again and not the lazy touch of the latest star of a BBC espionage thriller which the press always get hung up on.
The sinking ship with Felix dying was the most emotional one for me.
I definitely would rather see that. 100%.
The funny thing is, a lot of people at my screening just shrugged their shoulders and headed for the bathroom.
Lot's to think about. More thoughts tomorrow.
Edit:
I couldn't audibly hear him saying the word either but perhaps he whispered it since it was a moment of realization.
As everyone is talking about the boat scene...
First reactions? Well . . . it's a tour de force. I feel like I've been battered around and need a to pour a stiff drink and sit down to mull it over for a minute. Briefly:
-Beautifully made. All stunning sets, some good locations, magnificently filmed. The sound design was outstanding and immersive.
-Superb acting across the board. Everyone did very well with what they were given. Craig in particular was asked to do so bloody much in this film, and delivered across the board. A masterclass.
-Bond driving the ever-living hell out of that Aston in Matera was brilliant. The sound of the motor, the shots of the tach bouncing, the glimpse of the control panel . . . outstanding.
-People are asking for more Paloma, but I think she's just right. A brilliant character who steals her scenes, but half the reason it works is because it's fleeting. (The other half is that de Armas sells it so brilliantly.)
-A lot of very visceral action. Some of the gunplay and all the fistfights left me feeling like my head needed a good shake - it really was jarring. Savage, brutal, excellent.
-The story felt clear enough to me. In something like Octopussy, I frequently lose track of who's double-crossing who and just float along with the action, whereas NTTD always felt straightforward.
-On the other hand, Safin's ultimate plan (kill who exactly? how many?) and the motivations for it feel underdeveloped to me. What motivates Ash and Obruchev?
-Dammit EON, you did me dirty during this era and you know it. You had brilliant actors lined up playing excellent characters in Mathis and Leiter. I bloody loved them both.
-You also had an Oscar-winner locked into a better-developed role as Blofeld.
-In terms of the ending, I just don't know yet.
-So . . . where the hell do they go from here?
Sort of my feeling. But I reconsidered SPECTRE several times as well, re-watched it sort of in preparation of NTTD and wouldn't say I've reached a real conclusion. The process to actually place it in a personal ranking may take time.
Lol
SH12?
Is that a new agent's code name?
"SH12, your mission is to inject Bond's corpse with the reanimation serum. We need him back... alive!"
I don't ever want to hear someone like you claim that they care about the character of Bond again. You clearly don't.
Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What can I say? It's probably a 4 star film that gets a 1 star reaction from me. Clearly it is well made. Clearly it is the film they wanted to make (unlike the compromised QoS and SP).
The first 60-90 minutes is good. Sometimes seriously good.
After that, well...it all depends on whether you can accept the (first) twist. All I will say is that nobody better criticise Moore's Bond making quiche ever again.
Then the climax. THIS is precisely why it makes no sense for an agent to be so persistently emotionally involved in the plans of the villains he faces. This is literally the reason why Bond dies. As soon as it is clear Safin has Madeline then why employ a 50 year old out of shape agent to complete the mission? Just send all the current 00s to do the job.
What was Safin's plan? I didn't get that at all. Might be my fault for not concentrating though.
Anyway, I am totally deflated and come away feeling nothing but contempt for the film and those who made it.
But then I am also trying to force myself to remember how I felt at the half way point - that this was a film that was moving very nicely and with some of the best material ever seen in a Bond film. Had the projector broke at the 90 minute mark I'd have had it in my top ten.
I am booked in tomorrow morning to watch it again and my opinion will take time to properly form. (I originally thought DAD was Brosnan's best after the first viewing, so my opinion can shift quite a bit after watching a Bond film for the first time).
Where do we go? Indeed. I've seen it twice today and it not only felt like a good conclusion to the Craig era but also the perfect way to end if they were never going to make another Bond film. Where on earth are they going to go with the next Bond? Personally, it would feel like a massive come down if we were to return to by the numbers Bond films.
CR and QOS or SF and SP. As a general movie is good! Good acting direction, photography, music etc. (the stants where meh, the motorcycle jump which was so advertised was not a part of the chase) But I want to see it again to rate it as a Bond movie! Also it appears they gave Craigs Bond a cursed life with no return to normal life. Dead girlfriends which he loved (Vesper). He did not manage to save his bosses life (M) he was cheated to leave his new love for 5 years. He lost a good friend (Felix) and he did not manage to live a family life, and he was sacrificed to save his family. All these are new to Bond but they were builded these 15 years, so it makes sense why this movie ended like that. But it is difficult to see this movie as a Bond movie yet. I will have to se this again. (Also if you remove the ending, i cant see the rest of the movie as a Bond movie and not a M.I. one for example - it hadn't anything Bondian that will give you chills and say yes only Bond could do that!, Paloma was more Bond than Bond himself).
Also i miss the use of full throttle James Bond Theme on action scenes (like the Brosnan era, although we got more Bond theme than all the Craig movies together in this one, but in wrong moments).
*** Please use again Ana de Armas in future Bonds and fuck the continuity!
Like Me, your taking this a bit personally aren't you, so let's play a little game of F**k Off you go first.
No, just as with @bondywondy I've decided after all that I'm not going to let you trolls push me off a forum I've been a member of for 8 years and that I already spent too much time away from. You're welcome to play that game by yourself.
Thanks for the information!
It seems a bit of a come down given his elaborate set up, but oh well.
Spectre get killed off and Bond has nothing to do with it. He’s irrelevant in that regard. The big organisation behind everything in the previous films. Blofeld is killed by accident. They should have let him die on London Bridge rather than that. I preferred him offering to buy a delicatessen in stainless steel whilst falling down a chimney. At least Conan Doyle had his lead character and great rival duel to their deaths over the Reichenbach falls. If Bond had to die it had to be Blofeld involved not some guy he met about 10 minutes from the end of the film.
haha yep!
Well said. I'm convinced Boyle would've done an incredible job of the film, and I can see now why he decided to quit over creative differences. Maybe the producers should've thought long and hard about such a talent deciding to part ways with them because of the tired, stereotypical, overused plot they wanted to pursue.
So I'm the troll, yet you were the first to get personal because my view doesn't match yours. As the great Harry Callahan said opinions are like arseholes, everybody has one. So get over yourself and stop having a go at me as I've been a member for 6 years and am entitled to my opinion as much as the next guy or gal. As to caring about a character, I certainally do which is why I'm disappointed in NTTD, I saw my first Bond movie in 1969, Yes OHMSS on it's intial release so if you don't like my opinion I believe you can go to hell.
The only way forward that I think could really work well would be to make the next Bond actor's tenure be a period piece from the 1930s/40s/50s.
It'll allow the writers to (mostly) keep their political agendas out, and will give us some Bond fodder from the decades preceding the first actual official Bond film in 1962.
Also, many like to harp about how the very character of James Bond himself is outdated, a relic of older times due to his misogyny, womanizing, political incorrectness, etc. Well... if you grant they are correct, there's no way to continue a "present-day" Bond 007 series without either awkwardly maintaining that outdated persona or "updating" Bond to a modern day man, which I don't think ANYONE wants.
Also, let's be honest... the heydays of MI6 (and Britain herself) were back in those days, not 2021.
I'd love a period piece Bond, Those decades are my favorites in terms of style, films, fashion, music, etc
We'd get the DB5 again and it's been done to death at this point.