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And apparently we can't even talk about it in the forums without someone trying to eat our head like a bloody praying mantis. Last night I was bloody straight up attacked by a new member because I mentioned the lack of sexiness and womanising in the film. The new world is a dangerous place indeed.
We still can have a Bond girl Friday thread, but trust me, at one point, we will not be allowed to. They have people everywhere. Worse than florists, I'd say ;)
Anyway, at least I'm glad you and I agree on these sort of things, @jetsetwilly, my friend.
This one really made me laugh. Man, were you in cryogenic state for a while? Don't you know about the brave new world order? There are no naked ladies. Not there, not everywhere. Not anymore. Not ever. We're back to victorian years. Bond was born in the sexual revolution of the 60s. It wouldn't exist in prude decades. And it's at odds with this decade as well. So, no, no naked ladies. Soon, you won't be able to use those words, even. You perv. You dirty, dirty man.
lol ;)
Honestly don't get what you mean by box ticking? This is among the least amount of "box ticking" I could imagine in a Bond film. Or is that you point? That it is not ticking the Bond boxes but some other set of boxes that I was not aware of?
PC correct box ticking, and not Bond box ticking, which I would have been fine with.
Ah, right. Disagree, but I understand where you are coming from.
Strong black female equal to Bond (if anything more than equal), Q being gay, Bond being a dad (including stuffing a little toy to his belt), Bond no longer able to attract the women like he once did, etc.
On its own its not.
If these quibbles appeared in something like LTK, I would agree with you.
I disgree with the idea that they set out with a list of things they need to tick off and then built the film accordingly. I would rather think they plotted out the film and then filled things out in a way they felt would work. Instead of "Q has to be gay, how do we do that?" I think it's more like "Q will have a guest, who could that be?" or "There will be a new 007 to challenge Bond. Who could we cast to make that an insteresting pairing?"
But there is no way to know.
I didn’t like the alternative 00 agent plot point, I hate the Blofeld foster brother plot point and thought the rest of the film was ok, but mediocre in the canon. Tonality wise, CR and QoS are my favourite Craig Bond films, the lighter tone of SF, SP and NTTD don’t sit well with the first two Craig films.
So I thought it was ok, not a patch on Casino Royale and not even close to the first 4 Connery’s.
A bit too PC as well. Entertaining, but mediocre to a Bond purist.
A man after my own heart.
Difficult for me to do that, as LTK is in my top 5.
And mine
LTK is far superior. Brilliant Bond film.
I cared more for Camile in QOS, the moment when Bond finds her in the room paralysed in fear by the fire was compelling than anything with Madeline.
It's as if the script writers refuse to allow the audience to see Madeline with her guard down. But that's the moment we fall in love with the character because they're human.
I've never wanted Bond to save anyone more than Severine after her hand shook when taking a drag of that cigarette, we saw that there was more to her than what met the eye
Exactly what I thought at the time. What a waste!
Actually Kleinmans titles were the highlight for me! Thought they were a big improvenent on the overloaded ones he did for SF and SP!
Would dispute this point - I think it's not only stunning but rather ingenious in its deployment of specific imagery, particularly Britannia. The way it leans on the Dr. No and OHMSS titles is brilliant as well.
I always try to switch of the Bond purist in me when a new one comes out. I did my best to take NTTD purely at face value and on that basis I can't say I was disappointed.
How do I like it as a Bond purist?
That's a question I'll be able to answer this time next year when I watch it as part of my annual Bond blu-ray Autumn marathon
I'm interested to see that my opinions apparently diverge from others' in key areas. (For example, I thought this was Kleinman's best title sequence of his entire tenure).
I could go on glowingly about what I like. Here's a few things I didn't, to try and demonstrate some objectivity:
Overall:
This is a landmark Bond film and those don't come along very often. (Independent of quality rankings), I can only name Dr. No, OHMSS, The Spy Who Loved Me, Goldeneye, and Casino Royale as being in that camp for various reasons. No Time to Die joins them. After 25 films, that is incredibly tough to do this well. Which is why I reserve a final shoutout for...
...the producers. Barbara Broccoli and Michael Wilson. It's very clear the road to bringing this film to screen was its own kind of hell. But I think the feat achieved here is worth celebrating for what it really is.
Clearly, they began with an extremely ambitious idea (to make a classic Bond film, plus push the brand by killing Bond onscreen, and ensuring Daniel Craig had a monumental finale). That's an impossible mission ;) under the best circumstances. But to deliver a product like this through cultural upheaval, an 11th hour director loss, multiple major pivots, a rushed production, a frigging studio sale, and a global pandemic that made navigating a pre-release marketing campaign virtually impossible...
I mean, come on. Barbara and Michael are the MVPs here. I completely understand some fans' reasons for disliking the film(s) - and it's entirely their right to react how they react - but it always breaks my heart a little to see suggestions that someone BB/MGW aren't capable or don't care or aren't managing things properly. Nothing could be further from the truth. We are so lucky to have them. We've always been.
Wow, that did end up being a full review. Thanks for reading if you made it this far. :)