NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - First Reactions vs. Current Reactions

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  • LizWLizW England
    Posts: 30
    Definitely a marmite film. I was pretty shocked that Bond actually died (as far as we know) and I will be sad to say goodbye to Craig's character, but it was a brave choice and a fitting send off to a very good actor.
  • HerrBondHerrBond Berlin
    Posts: 50
    - could someone explain to me Safin's main motive? Why does he want to kill everyone? Because Spectre was bad to his family back then? Seriously? Maybe I didn't get it because I am not a native speaker...?
    - they always talk about the strong female characters. Why on earth didn't Naomi help Bond at the end? She's the fu***** MI6 agent on duty! If she would have been injured, OK - but this way it just doesn't make any sense, sorry.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,179
    Bond wrote: »
    Jimjambond wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    This may be the most depressing thread ever. Jesus Christ…

    +1

    Just wait until a journalist joins the forums and we get an article about how us Bond fans are all moaning infants based on the evidence of this thread.... :))

    For what is worth my show yesterday was sold out and at the end everybody cheered in excitement. Perhaps the film is garbage only to some hardcore fans.

    Do audiences like Bond? For years I've read and heard people calling for Bond to end and with Bond being unceremoniously decimated, and seeing people rate this as a great movie, or best Bond ever and to hear people cheering at the end, I have to question if this is more a celebration of thinking this is an end to Bond mores than triumphant appraisal of the movie being THAT good.

    Great point. I think many are applauding the film for killing off the "outdated misogynist white male colonizer" whether they admit it, even to themselves, or not.

    You think wrong.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,582

    Matt007 wrote: »
    They have completely forgotten what the James Bond character is.

    Fleming spelled it out. He’s someone who knows he will be dead soon, lives everyday like it’s his last and so indulges his senses, passions for the finer things in life and talents, uses his ingenuity to get out of situations and kills people for a profession.

    I didn’t see any of that except the killing over and over again with a machine gun.

    No subtely. No pause to enjoy a dom perignon ‘53. The only person who has understood this is in the last 20 years is Martin Campbell

    Well, to be fair, the one great Bond movie MC directed was adapted from the book. MC had very little to do with it.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited October 2021 Posts: 5,970
    This is a really small thing, but Primo looked so cool in Cuba, the scene where he's with Valdo.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,978
    I didn’t imagine it did I, Bond refers to Madeline and Mathilda as ‘family’, but the word was muted.
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 6,709
    TripAces wrote: »
    Matt007 wrote: »
    They have completely forgotten what the James Bond character is.

    Fleming spelled it out. He’s someone who knows he will be dead soon, lives everyday like it’s his last and so indulges his senses, passions for the finer things in life and talents, uses his ingenuity to get out of situations and kills people for a profession.

    I didn’t see any of that except the killing over and over again with a machine gun.

    No subtely. No pause to enjoy a dom perignon ‘53. The only person who has understood this is in the last 20 years is Martin Campbell

    Well, to be fair, the one great Bond movie MC directed was adapted from the book. MC had very little to do with it.

    I too believe MC had little to do with it, but that was a superb post @Matt007, it mirrors exactly what I’ve been saying for years. The Rolls Royce moment in SP, the caviar moment in CR, and very few others being rare and fleeting exceptions. There’s just no more sense of a Bon vivant who enjoys the best things in life, lovemaking included btw.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited October 2021 Posts: 12,480
    I went into this film pretty much unspoiled, but I had heard rumours about Bond dying in it due to chat during change of directors and more. I was always firmly against Bond dying. I did not see how that could work well and I truly did not think they would do that. Maybe have him end up in a prologue shown briefly as an old man? (Thinking of Capt America in Avengers End Game). That could have been okay, perhaps. But I went in openminded and tried to "feel" my way honestly through the film wherever it took me. And this ending, with this Bond, was incredibly moving ... and I have to say, it seemed fitting. So I was not disappointed in NTTD, even though it took a path I had not wanted.

    NTTD handled it right, in my opinion. And although it was gut-wrenching, it worked, and I feel it was a fitting ending for Craig's Bond. I left the cinema drained, stunned, but not really depressed. Quite moved. This film was a thrilling ride, not over the top but did give us a variety of tones, and it certainly was very well acted. It could easily have been mishandled, but I felt it did cap off this Bond's era well.

    I don't worry about them starting fresh with the next one. Yes, I realize they could still have the character as miraculously not dead from this one - but that does not seem necessary to me. I am okay if they do that (as long as it's done well). But just starting fresh is fine, and I don't mean starting with a remake of CR. No - just new stories, please, from elements of Fleming novels. I will put more thought into what I think the next Bond film should be like, but it does not worry me. Plenty of options to go in different directions.

    I am definitely not adamant about wanting things to revert to all the old classic formulas. I like Bond being current with the times in which the film is made. But I still like touches of Fleming, of course, and I want good storytelling with fantastic action sequences. NTTD, even with that ending, delivers for me. Personally, I'm very glad we have Daniel Craig's Bond, through the entire arc that his story ran. They are all good films, with 3 of them for me being truly outstanding (CR, SF, and NTTD). I will see it again soon and will pick up the more subtle things I missed first time round.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited October 2021 Posts: 4,343
    I didn’t imagine it did I, Bond refers to Madeline and Mathilda as ‘family’, but the word was muted.

    I saw it dubbed and he whispered “family”.
  • Posts: 15
    HerrBond wrote: »
    - could someone explain to me Safin's main motive? Why does he want to kill everyone? Because Spectre was bad to his family back then? Seriously? Maybe I didn't get it because I am not a native speaker...?
    - they always talk about the strong female characters. Why on earth didn't Naomi help Bond at the end? She's the fu***** MI6 agent on duty! If she would have been injured, OK - but this way it just doesn't make any sense, sorry.

    That wasn't clear to me either and it's something I will definitely pay extra attention to during my second watch.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited October 2021 Posts: 5,970
    Denbigh wrote: »
    This is a really small thing, but Primo looked so cool in Cuba, the scene where he's with Valdo.
    Anyone else think so?

    I also really loved Ash's little laugh when Valdo kicked the gun to him.
  • Posts: 15
    I went into this film pretty much unspoiled, but I had heard rumours about Bond dying in it due to chat during change of directors and more. I was always firmly against Bond dying. I did not see how that could work well and I truly did not think they would do that. Maybe have him end up in a prologue shown briefly as an old man? (Thinking of Capt America in Avengers End Game). That could have been okay, perhaps. But I went in openminded and tried to "feel" my way honestly through the film wherever it took me. And this ending, with this Bond, was incredibly moving ... and I have to say, it seemed fitting. So I was not disappointed in NTTD, even though it took a path I had not wanted.

    NTTD handled it right, in my opinion. And although it was gut-wrenching, it worked, and I feel it was a fitting ending for Craig's Bond. I left the cinema drained, stunned, but not really depressed. Quite moved. This film was a thrilling ride, not over the top but did give us a variety of tones, and it certainly was very well acted. It could easily have been mishandled, but I felt it did cap off this Bond's era well.

    I don't worry about them starting fresh with the next one. Yes, I realize they could still have the character as miraculously not dead from this one - but that does not seem necessary to me. I am okay if they do that (as long as it's done well). But just starting fresh is fine, and I don't mean starting with a remake of CR. No - just new stories, please, from elements of Fleming novels. I will put more thought into what I think the next Bond film should be like, but it does not worry me. Plenty of options to go in different directions.

    I am definitely not adamant about wanting things to revert to all the old classic formulas. I like Bond being current with the times in which the film is made. But I still like touches of Fleming, of course, and I want good storytelling with fantastic action sequences. NTTD, even with that ending, delivers for me. Personally, I'm very glad we have Daniel Craig's Bond, through the entire arc that his story ran. They are all good films, with 3 of them for me being truly outstanding (CR, SF, and NTTD). I will see it again soon and will pick up the more subtle things I missed first time round.

    Exactly how I feel about the movie after my first watch. At this point I have no issues with Bond dying or 'dying', but my definite assessment very much depends on where they go from here. The casting for the next movie will probably give us a first clue.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
    edited October 2021 Posts: 934
    My impression from what Safin said to Bond was that he was trying to make the world a better place by killing-off people he felt were problematic. The various intelligence agencies and any other force he felt threatened his plans would obviously be some of the first to go (after his revenge kill of Spectre).
  • Posts: 3,274
    Buyers were approaching the island on ships, so Safin was just another armsdealer. We never learn what happened to these buyers. Nor what happened with the MIG's threatening Q 's plane.
  • Posts: 2,402
    I don't worry about them starting fresh with the next one. Yes, I realize they could still have the character as miraculously not dead from this one - but that does not seem necessary to me. I am okay if they do that (as long as it's done well). But just starting fresh is fine, and I don't mean starting with a remake of CR. No - just new stories, please, from elements of Fleming novels. I will put more thought into what I think the next Bond film should be like, but it does not worry me. Plenty of options to go in different directions.

    It'd be a fools' errand to ever try and do Casino Royale in a contemporary setting again because not only can that adaptation not be beat, I would bet any sum of money that there will never be a Bond film that comes along that I rank above it. The only other way I would ever want to see CR done is if they did a set of period piece serials that adapted the novels in order.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    TotalBB wrote: »
    I went into this film pretty much unspoiled, but I had heard rumours about Bond dying in it due to chat during change of directors and more. I was always firmly against Bond dying. I did not see how that could work well and I truly did not think they would do that. Maybe have him end up in a prologue shown briefly as an old man? (Thinking of Capt America in Avengers End Game). That could have been okay, perhaps. But I went in openminded and tried to "feel" my way honestly through the film wherever it took me. And this ending, with this Bond, was incredibly moving ... and I have to say, it seemed fitting. So I was not disappointed in NTTD, even though it took a path I had not wanted.

    NTTD handled it right, in my opinion. And although it was gut-wrenching, it worked, and I feel it was a fitting ending for Craig's Bond. I left the cinema drained, stunned, but not really depressed. Quite moved. This film was a thrilling ride, not over the top but did give us a variety of tones, and it certainly was very well acted. It could easily have been mishandled, but I felt it did cap off this Bond's era well.

    I don't worry about them starting fresh with the next one. Yes, I realize they could still have the character as miraculously not dead from this one - but that does not seem necessary to me. I am okay if they do that (as long as it's done well). But just starting fresh is fine, and I don't mean starting with a remake of CR. No - just new stories, please, from elements of Fleming novels. I will put more thought into what I think the next Bond film should be like, but it does not worry me. Plenty of options to go in different directions.

    I am definitely not adamant about wanting things to revert to all the old classic formulas. I like Bond being current with the times in which the film is made. But I still like touches of Fleming, of course, and I want good storytelling with fantastic action sequences. NTTD, even with that ending, delivers for me. Personally, I'm very glad we have Daniel Craig's Bond, through the entire arc that his story ran. They are all good films, with 3 of them for me being truly outstanding (CR, SF, and NTTD). I will see it again soon and will pick up the more subtle things I missed first time round.

    Exactly how I feel about the movie after my first watch. At this point I have no issues with Bond dying or 'dying', but my definite assessment very much depends on where they go from here. The casting for the next movie will probably give us a first clue.

    Thanks for this. I feel like I am almost (not quite) a lone voice on here. I am very upbeat about the franchise, and I do look forward to all the interesting times ahead: new Bond actor, director, etc. I'm a Bond fan since age 15 when I read Fleming first, then saw Diamonds Are Forever. Each Bond actor brought a different tone. If that had NOT happened, the series would have died decades ago. The next Bond will give us something different. But I value Craig's tenure. It is like a very large, sumptuous layer cake this whole Bond film series. Changes come and go, and we all have our favorites as well as things that bug us. That's okay. So many films in this series, there really is something for everyone. I'm just glad it will continue. B-)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,959
    I don't worry about them starting fresh with the next one. Yes, I realize they could still have the character as miraculously not dead from this one - but that does not seem necessary to me. I am okay if they do that (as long as it's done well). But just starting fresh is fine, and I don't mean starting with a remake of CR. No - just new stories, please, from elements of Fleming novels. I will put more thought into what I think the next Bond film should be like, but it does not worry me. Plenty of options to go in different directions.

    It'd be a fools' errand to ever try and do Casino Royale in a contemporary setting again because not only can that adaptation not be beat, I would bet any sum of money that there will never be a Bond film that comes along that I rank above it. The only other way I would ever want to see CR done is if they did a set of period piece serials that adapted the novels in order.

    This is one of my all-time greatest fan wishes, executed in a dream world where they adapt the novels 100% accurately from start to finish. I'd pay damn good money for something like this.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    I don't worry about them starting fresh with the next one. Yes, I realize they could still have the character as miraculously not dead from this one - but that does not seem necessary to me. I am okay if they do that (as long as it's done well). But just starting fresh is fine, and I don't mean starting with a remake of CR. No - just new stories, please, from elements of Fleming novels. I will put more thought into what I think the next Bond film should be like, but it does not worry me. Plenty of options to go in different directions.

    It'd be a fools' errand to ever try and do Casino Royale in a contemporary setting again because not only can that adaptation not be beat, I would bet any sum of money that there will never be a Bond film that comes along that I rank above it. The only other way I would ever want to see CR done is if they did a set of period piece serials that adapted the novels in order.

    Yes, I agree. And for me, the only way I think we could get a set of "period piece" films (I would love that) would not be for cinemas, I think. A special cable show series (like True Detective) format would work for that. However, I doubt very much that will happen any time soon. I think Bond is cinema box office and unless VERY well done should not be on TV in any form. It could be done, and I'd enjoy it if excellent, but I think there is little to no chance of that happening within the next several years.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited October 2021 Posts: 5,970
    While it would be interesting to see, I mean I'm a huge James Bond fan, of course. I just don't see it working in all honestly. Not only do I think EON would be running the risk of isolating their audience, but they also run the risk of spotlighting the incredibly outdated views that permeate through the source material. I know some will say "make the films for the fans", and they do, but they also have to think in terms of the movie business. James Bond is for everyone, not just for us.

    Some make call me "woke" or "pandering" for this, but to adapt the novels from beginning to the end, specifically in the period setting, would also mean highlighting issues like the unfortunate treatment of women and racial stereotypes. For example, the attitude towards Pussy Galore in Goldfinger, and basically the whole of Live and Let Die. I understand you could do away with those, but unless you're modernising or adapting each story as they did with Casino Royale, a lot of it is unavoidable, and with that, you'd be losing what those novels are, which in turns makes the whole idea of adapting the novels kind of pointless. I think the Craig-era got it right by creating these new stories, while sprinkling as much Fleming material as they could throughout.
  • Creasy47 wrote: »
    I don't worry about them starting fresh with the next one. Yes, I realize they could still have the character as miraculously not dead from this one - but that does not seem necessary to me. I am okay if they do that (as long as it's done well). But just starting fresh is fine, and I don't mean starting with a remake of CR. No - just new stories, please, from elements of Fleming novels. I will put more thought into what I think the next Bond film should be like, but it does not worry me. Plenty of options to go in different directions.

    It'd be a fools' errand to ever try and do Casino Royale in a contemporary setting again because not only can that adaptation not be beat, I would bet any sum of money that there will never be a Bond film that comes along that I rank above it. The only other way I would ever want to see CR done is if they did a set of period piece serials that adapted the novels in order.

    This is one of my all-time greatest fan wishes, executed in a dream world where they adapt the novels 100% accurately from start to finish. I'd pay damn good money for something like this.

    So would I.
  • Posts: 7,407
    bondsum wrote: »
    I've just seen NTTD and I really liked the PTS and pretty much everything up to and including Jamaica and Cuba. I really loved Ana de Armas and could've done with more Paloma throughout the entire movie. Looking back, it's when Bond bids farewell to Paloma that things start to unravel quickly for me. Sure, I still like some of the snappy dialogue between M and Bond, and loved Craig's overall performance, but found myself becoming increasingly detached from the story as it progressed. When we head into Liam Neeson territory of a child-in-peril after dispatching two of its reprising characters, is where it stops being a thrilling Bond ride. My overall conclusion is that NTTD has a very strong start and a mediocre second half. The finale didn't pack the same emotional punch for me as perhaps it has done for many others here due to my detachment from the story at roughly the midway mark. I also found Madeleine Swann's final words to her doe-eyed daughter in the car total cringe. However, I did enjoy James Bond will Return featured in the end credits. Roll on Bond 26.

    Yes, I was about to post something similar about Madeleine and her daughter at the end!
    When I think back of my first viewing of CR and Craigs brilliant delivery of THAT line at the end, I left the cinema in total elation!
    Here, as you stated, I cringed!
  • mightbesherlockmightbesherlock Scotland
    Posts: 6
    I was disappointed.
    So disappointed I went in again and watched it again and was still disappointed.
    Casino was the reintroduction of the blunt instrument, cold blooded weapon that is Bond but this last film should have left Madeleine behind. Bond isnt a family man, hes a loner, an assassin, a tool to get things done.
    Safins master plan didnt really have any substance and if Spectre is no more what is left?
    Bond is a survivor, the end credits should have shown him swandiving (no pun intended) off the cliffs as the missiles struck.
    He'll be back, but unless hes the deadly killer and womaniser we love, he wont be Bond.
  • Mathis1 wrote: »
    bondsum wrote: »
    I've just seen NTTD and I really liked the PTS and pretty much everything up to and including Jamaica and Cuba. I really loved Ana de Armas and could've done with more Paloma throughout the entire movie. Looking back, it's when Bond bids farewell to Paloma that things start to unravel quickly for me. Sure, I still like some of the snappy dialogue between M and Bond, and loved Craig's overall performance, but found myself becoming increasingly detached from the story as it progressed. When we head into Liam Neeson territory of a child-in-peril after dispatching two of its reprising characters, is where it stops being a thrilling Bond ride. My overall conclusion is that NTTD has a very strong start and a mediocre second half. The finale didn't pack the same emotional punch for me as perhaps it has done for many others here due to my detachment from the story at roughly the midway mark. I also found Madeleine Swann's final words to her doe-eyed daughter in the car total cringe. However, I did enjoy James Bond will Return featured in the end credits. Roll on Bond 26.

    Yes, I was about to post something similar about Madeleine and her daughter at the end!
    When I think back of my first viewing of CR and Craigs brilliant delivery of THAT line at the end, I left the cinema in total elation!
    Here, as you stated, I cringed!

    On reflection I find myself thinking your both spot on NTTD went tits up after Cuba and the end bit was really cringey, apart from Louis Armstrong always great to hear Satchmo though bit cheesy in this context.
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
    Posts: 984
    bondsum wrote: »
    I've just seen NTTD and I really liked the PTS and pretty much everything up to and including Jamaica and Cuba. I really loved Ana de Armas and could've done with more Paloma throughout the entire movie. Looking back, it's when Bond bids farewell to Paloma that things start to unravel quickly for me. Sure, I still like some of the snappy dialogue between M and Bond, and loved Craig's overall performance, but found myself becoming increasingly detached from the story as it progressed. When we head into Liam Neeson territory of a child-in-peril after dispatching two of its reprising characters, is where it stops being a thrilling Bond ride. My overall conclusion is that NTTD has a very strong start and a mediocre second half. The finale didn't pack the same emotional punch for me as perhaps it has done for many others here due to my detachment from the story at roughly the midway mark. I also found Madeleine Swann's final words to her doe-eyed daughter in the car total cringe. However, I did enjoy James Bond will Return featured in the end credits. Roll on Bond 26.

    Succinctly put. I echo all of it.

    I would add that apart from the fight with Ash, and despatching the multiple villains on the stairs, the action was very lackluster.

    Craig and Seydoux still have little to no chemistry.
    Saffin was frankly, crap.

  • Posts: 342
    Some people may dislike this comment but just how I feel. I think the decision to kill off Bond was a spiteful one. The reason being Eon would know many fans would hate the decision, be sad and depressed and yet they went ahead with it. It feels like a "#$% the fans" decision.

    If you met Barbara Broccoli and said "I was very unhappy you killed Bond" what is she going to say? I know what she will think...

    "I couldn't care less."

    Why should fans unhappy with Bond dying support Bond 26? All you're doing is giving her your money. I'm not saying boycott Bond 26, okay maybe I am (!)... but what I mean is don't automatically give Eon a free pass. For example, if you think killing Bond was unforgivable, don't buy the dvd/bluray/digital stream of No Time To Die. Make a stand by not purchasing a copy.

    As always, just my opinion. 😉

  • Posts: 7,407
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    bondsum wrote: »
    I've just seen NTTD and I really liked the PTS and pretty much everything up to and including Jamaica and Cuba. I really loved Ana de Armas and could've done with more Paloma throughout the entire movie. Looking back, it's when Bond bids farewell to Paloma that things start to unravel quickly for me. Sure, I still like some of the snappy dialogue between M and Bond, and loved Craig's overall performance, but found myself becoming increasingly detached from the story as it progressed. When we head into Liam Neeson territory of a child-in-peril after dispatching two of its reprising characters, is where it stops being a thrilling Bond ride. My overall conclusion is that NTTD has a very strong start and a mediocre second half. The finale didn't pack the same emotional punch for me as perhaps it has done for many others here due to my detachment from the story at roughly the midway mark. I also found Madeleine Swann's final words to her doe-eyed daughter in the car total cringe. However, I did enjoy James Bond will Return featured in the end credits. Roll on Bond 26.

    Yes, I was about to post something similar about Madeleine and her daughter at the end!
    When I think back of my first viewing of CR and Craigs brilliant delivery of THAT line at the end, I left the cinema in total elation!
    Here, as you stated, I cringed!

    On reflection I find myself thinking your both spot on NTTD went tits up after Cuba and the end bit was really cringey, apart from Louis Armstrong always great to hear Satchmo though bit cheesy in this context.

    I didnt mind them using the theme at the beginning, but hated them playing the song from my favourite Bond movie at the end!
    'We have all the time in the world' will be forever associated with OHMSS to me, and shouldnt be played in another Bond movie!
  • bondywondy wrote: »
    Some people may dislike this comment but just how I feel. I think the decision to kill off Bond was a spiteful one. The reason being Eon would know many fans would hate the decision, be sad and depressed and yet they went ahead with it. It feels like a "#$% the fans" decision.

    If you met Barbara Broccoli and said "I was very unhappy you killed Bond" what is she going to say? I know what she will think...

    "I couldn't care less."

    Why should fans unhappy with Bond dying support Bond 26? All you're doing is giving her your money. I'm not saying boycott Bond 26, okay maybe I am (!)... but what I mean is don't automatically give Eon a free pass. For example, if you think killing Bond was unforgivable, don't buy the dvd/bluray/digital stream of No Time To Die. Make a stand by not purchasing a copy.

    As always, just my opinion. 😉

    Good point, think because EON will lose big on the movie they'll anounce selling controlling interest to Amazon for a crazy sum, maybe sometime next year when Amazon's deal with MGM is rubber stamped.
  • Posts: 2,402
    Denbigh wrote: »
    While it would be interesting to see, I mean I'm a huge James Bond fan, of course. I just don't see it working in all honestly. Not only do I think EON would be running the risk of isolating their audience, but they also run the risk of spotlighting the incredibly outdated views that permeate through the source material. I know some will say "make the films for the fans", and they do, but they also have to think in terms of the movie business. James Bond is for everyone, not just for us.

    Some make call me "woke" or "pandering" for this, but to adapt the novels from beginning to the end, specifically in the period setting, would also mean highlighting issues like the unfortunate treatment of women and racial stereotypes. For example, the attitude towards Pussy Galore in Goldfinger, and basically the whole of Live and Let Die. I understand you could do away with those, but unless you're modernising or adapting each story as they did with Casino Royale, a lot of it is unavoidable, and with that, you'd be losing what those novels are, which in turns makes the whole idea of adapting the novels kind of pointless. I think the Craig-era got it right by creating these new stories, while sprinkling as much Fleming material as they could throughout.

    I should clarify that in my desire for the novels to be adapted in order as period pieces, I also don't think they should be adapted verbatim. There are a LOT of improvements to make and I don't think a LALD adaptation requires all the slurs and whatnot in order to work.
  • Posts: 207
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    bondsum wrote: »
    I've just seen NTTD and I really liked the PTS and pretty much everything up to and including Jamaica and Cuba. I really loved Ana de Armas and could've done with more Paloma throughout the entire movie. Looking back, it's when Bond bids farewell to Paloma that things start to unravel quickly for me. Sure, I still like some of the snappy dialogue between M and Bond, and loved Craig's overall performance, but found myself becoming increasingly detached from the story as it progressed. When we head into Liam Neeson territory of a child-in-peril after dispatching two of its reprising characters, is where it stops being a thrilling Bond ride. My overall conclusion is that NTTD has a very strong start and a mediocre second half. The finale didn't pack the same emotional punch for me as perhaps it has done for many others here due to my detachment from the story at roughly the midway mark. I also found Madeleine Swann's final words to her doe-eyed daughter in the car total cringe. However, I did enjoy James Bond will Return featured in the end credits. Roll on Bond 26.

    Yes, I was about to post something similar about Madeleine and her daughter at the end!
    When I think back of my first viewing of CR and Craigs brilliant delivery of THAT line at the end, I left the cinema in total elation!
    Here, as you stated, I cringed!

    On reflection I find myself thinking your both spot on NTTD went tits up after Cuba and the end bit was really cringey, apart from Louis Armstrong always great to hear Satchmo though bit cheesy in this context.

    I didnt mind them using the theme at the beginning, but hated them playing the song from my favourite Bond movie at the end!
    'We have all the time in the world' will be forever associated with OHMSS to me, and shouldnt be played in another Bond movie!

    I agree. For me that song will always be associated with Bond and Tracy. It just felt weird hearing it played with Madeleine and Mathilde. Especially right after seeing Bond get blown up.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    Posts: 5,970
    I think we're getting into some wishful thinking here. To say that EON will lose money or even should lose money is a bit of a leap, and I personally find it more spiteful than anything No Time To Die has done for those who disliked it.
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