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- they always talk about the strong female characters. Why on earth didn't Naomi help Bond at the end? She's the fu***** MI6 agent on duty! If she would have been injured, OK - but this way it just doesn't make any sense, sorry.
You think wrong.
Well, to be fair, the one great Bond movie MC directed was adapted from the book. MC had very little to do with it.
I too believe MC had little to do with it, but that was a superb post @Matt007, it mirrors exactly what I’ve been saying for years. The Rolls Royce moment in SP, the caviar moment in CR, and very few others being rare and fleeting exceptions. There’s just no more sense of a Bon vivant who enjoys the best things in life, lovemaking included btw.
NTTD handled it right, in my opinion. And although it was gut-wrenching, it worked, and I feel it was a fitting ending for Craig's Bond. I left the cinema drained, stunned, but not really depressed. Quite moved. This film was a thrilling ride, not over the top but did give us a variety of tones, and it certainly was very well acted. It could easily have been mishandled, but I felt it did cap off this Bond's era well.
I don't worry about them starting fresh with the next one. Yes, I realize they could still have the character as miraculously not dead from this one - but that does not seem necessary to me. I am okay if they do that (as long as it's done well). But just starting fresh is fine, and I don't mean starting with a remake of CR. No - just new stories, please, from elements of Fleming novels. I will put more thought into what I think the next Bond film should be like, but it does not worry me. Plenty of options to go in different directions.
I am definitely not adamant about wanting things to revert to all the old classic formulas. I like Bond being current with the times in which the film is made. But I still like touches of Fleming, of course, and I want good storytelling with fantastic action sequences. NTTD, even with that ending, delivers for me. Personally, I'm very glad we have Daniel Craig's Bond, through the entire arc that his story ran. They are all good films, with 3 of them for me being truly outstanding (CR, SF, and NTTD). I will see it again soon and will pick up the more subtle things I missed first time round.
I saw it dubbed and he whispered “family”.
That wasn't clear to me either and it's something I will definitely pay extra attention to during my second watch.
I also really loved Ash's little laugh when Valdo kicked the gun to him.
Exactly how I feel about the movie after my first watch. At this point I have no issues with Bond dying or 'dying', but my definite assessment very much depends on where they go from here. The casting for the next movie will probably give us a first clue.
It'd be a fools' errand to ever try and do Casino Royale in a contemporary setting again because not only can that adaptation not be beat, I would bet any sum of money that there will never be a Bond film that comes along that I rank above it. The only other way I would ever want to see CR done is if they did a set of period piece serials that adapted the novels in order.
Thanks for this. I feel like I am almost (not quite) a lone voice on here. I am very upbeat about the franchise, and I do look forward to all the interesting times ahead: new Bond actor, director, etc. I'm a Bond fan since age 15 when I read Fleming first, then saw Diamonds Are Forever. Each Bond actor brought a different tone. If that had NOT happened, the series would have died decades ago. The next Bond will give us something different. But I value Craig's tenure. It is like a very large, sumptuous layer cake this whole Bond film series. Changes come and go, and we all have our favorites as well as things that bug us. That's okay. So many films in this series, there really is something for everyone. I'm just glad it will continue. B-)
This is one of my all-time greatest fan wishes, executed in a dream world where they adapt the novels 100% accurately from start to finish. I'd pay damn good money for something like this.
Yes, I agree. And for me, the only way I think we could get a set of "period piece" films (I would love that) would not be for cinemas, I think. A special cable show series (like True Detective) format would work for that. However, I doubt very much that will happen any time soon. I think Bond is cinema box office and unless VERY well done should not be on TV in any form. It could be done, and I'd enjoy it if excellent, but I think there is little to no chance of that happening within the next several years.
Some make call me "woke" or "pandering" for this, but to adapt the novels from beginning to the end, specifically in the period setting, would also mean highlighting issues like the unfortunate treatment of women and racial stereotypes. For example, the attitude towards Pussy Galore in Goldfinger, and basically the whole of Live and Let Die. I understand you could do away with those, but unless you're modernising or adapting each story as they did with Casino Royale, a lot of it is unavoidable, and with that, you'd be losing what those novels are, which in turns makes the whole idea of adapting the novels kind of pointless. I think the Craig-era got it right by creating these new stories, while sprinkling as much Fleming material as they could throughout.
So would I.
Yes, I was about to post something similar about Madeleine and her daughter at the end!
When I think back of my first viewing of CR and Craigs brilliant delivery of THAT line at the end, I left the cinema in total elation!
Here, as you stated, I cringed!
So disappointed I went in again and watched it again and was still disappointed.
Casino was the reintroduction of the blunt instrument, cold blooded weapon that is Bond but this last film should have left Madeleine behind. Bond isnt a family man, hes a loner, an assassin, a tool to get things done.
Safins master plan didnt really have any substance and if Spectre is no more what is left?
Bond is a survivor, the end credits should have shown him swandiving (no pun intended) off the cliffs as the missiles struck.
He'll be back, but unless hes the deadly killer and womaniser we love, he wont be Bond.
On reflection I find myself thinking your both spot on NTTD went tits up after Cuba and the end bit was really cringey, apart from Louis Armstrong always great to hear Satchmo though bit cheesy in this context.
Succinctly put. I echo all of it.
I would add that apart from the fight with Ash, and despatching the multiple villains on the stairs, the action was very lackluster.
Craig and Seydoux still have little to no chemistry.
Saffin was frankly, crap.
If you met Barbara Broccoli and said "I was very unhappy you killed Bond" what is she going to say? I know what she will think...
"I couldn't care less."
Why should fans unhappy with Bond dying support Bond 26? All you're doing is giving her your money. I'm not saying boycott Bond 26, okay maybe I am (!)... but what I mean is don't automatically give Eon a free pass. For example, if you think killing Bond was unforgivable, don't buy the dvd/bluray/digital stream of No Time To Die. Make a stand by not purchasing a copy.
As always, just my opinion. 😉
I didnt mind them using the theme at the beginning, but hated them playing the song from my favourite Bond movie at the end!
'We have all the time in the world' will be forever associated with OHMSS to me, and shouldnt be played in another Bond movie!
Good point, think because EON will lose big on the movie they'll anounce selling controlling interest to Amazon for a crazy sum, maybe sometime next year when Amazon's deal with MGM is rubber stamped.
I should clarify that in my desire for the novels to be adapted in order as period pieces, I also don't think they should be adapted verbatim. There are a LOT of improvements to make and I don't think a LALD adaptation requires all the slurs and whatnot in order to work.
I agree. For me that song will always be associated with Bond and Tracy. It just felt weird hearing it played with Madeleine and Mathilde. Especially right after seeing Bond get blown up.