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Gravitas was necessary for Craig's tenure, yes.
Yeah, sure…
Different people interpret Bond in many varieties of ways, Craig wasn't playing the Bond of the previous era, regardless of your version of Bond and what you expected to see, this conclusion wasn't out of nowhere with Craig's version, this trajectory makes complete sense.
Then again this is my interpretation of his era, I love him in the role and even though SP sits at no. 25 in my rankings, I think this era was magnificent.
After having 1 film that showed promise but then following it with 3 parody Bond films, after that period between 1997 - 2002, this was a breath of fresh air. Although this is my opinion again and I know some people loved this version of Bond
I still think making Blofeld Bond's childhood nemesis is the worst thing in the series history, whereas DC ending the way he does, the poetic poignancy of it all, just feels right.
Though White should have been Blofeld, that would have made this era make even more sense, it could have easily worked instead of the nonsense that was perpetrated in SPECTRE. Having White as Blofeld and Bond falling in love with his daughter considering White is responsible for Vesper's death and how this era concluded, that would have been perfect.
Maybe 2 films between NTTD to build up to this in an ideal world, although they could have managed something in a 2.5 hour film instead of the Austin Powers like direction SPECTRE went in.
Seeing it looks like NTTD is on track to be another hit for Craig and EON, I read that as if things continue in this direction, that Craig will be leaving the series in rude health, regardless of some fans anger over how EON decided to go.
Never heard that idea before but it actually really works. Blofeld in the novels founded SPECTRE after making money through private espionage. White’s activities with Quantum could’ve easily been a similar sort of thing. And the reveal would’ve actually been a shock (without feeling like a bait and switch, since Mr White isn’t his real name), that added to the previous films. Bond’s arch nemesis in plain sight of the audience the whole time. Also makes Saffin’s revenge in NTTD feel a bit more cohesive, since White was the one who actually killed his family, but he was already dead by the start of that film. And then like you said, there’s still a personal stake there thanks to Vesper and Madeline, and that’s much more natural than the foster brother story. Great idea.
Yes, indeed, it is.
As for me, at first, after self-spoiling the movie for myself because I also suspected how would it end, I was apprehensive about going to watch it: If I go to the movies, is to cheer and be cheered, not to cry for fictional people.
As hours went by I grew less and less apprehensive (I don't regret at all this self-spoiling) and decided to go and see it. However, real life has put itself in between NTTD and me: My job demands long shifts (8 hours working, 4 commuting) and - this is the main reason - after I started collecting movies, I've grown lazy and bored of going to the cinema. I prefer to watch flicks at home (yep, I'm a weirdo).
On the other hand, my old man, a fan since the beginning of the EON series, when he was 9, is intrigued and thrilled by this ending. I'm buying him a ticket one of these days.
Also, one little thing I haven't seen mentioned. While I agree with those who think it, that Bond and Madeleine had better chemistry this time around, from their very first scene, I feel the film should be commended for its portrayal of a mother and a daughter. I truly believed that that daughter was Madeleine's, in how she looked, but more importantly, the bond that they had (no pun intended).
I also think they did well to cast a young girl who looked like she could be the daughter of Lea and Daniel.
I'm there with ya.
Nah, it's making good money. That's all they need.
Yes but you forget they aren't looking at now, they're looking at the future, as they currently don't own MGM they won't see any of NTTD's profit's if there are any.
Oh, that's true. But money is an indicator of interest, or at least that's how they'll probably read it.
Yes my friend exactly, you've hit the nail on the head, oh well.
In what way would NTTD "have damaged the long term future of MGM's crown jewel"?
Just a rumour maybe true or not interesting to see though.
Don't know as can't speak for company analysts, but I'd suspect it's to do with killing of the character & being nervous about what happens next, who knows, I just thought it was quite interesting.
Yet another Craig era film where they superglue in as many scenes from previous bond films, for example the scene where he tips the car onto Nash and says this is for Lighter almost identical to FYEO car tip scene. Im surprised the film needed that many writers and re writes considering it just takes parts from previous movies and mashes them in even taking music from previous films with 2 tracks from OHMSS. There's giving a nod to the past and fans and then there is just blatant copy and paste.
Interestingly the best films such as Skyfall don't have that amount of past nod 'baggage' aside from the DB5 scene.
His watch has an EMP to wipeout an entire floor of a super bunkers electronics but not some tiny nanobots on his face?
One of the weakest bond villains, who at times looks like he's so weak he can barely hold up his own body weight is able to finally put multiple bullets into Bond a feat which no one else has managed.
The seminal moment in Bond/movie history they kill him off and its preceded by a quick 2min scene in a tiny dimly lit room where the clink a glass and a min later Madeline drives off credits roll, so in less than 5mins they wrap it all up. The cynic in me thinks it was all tacked on for 'buzz'
I think the movie would have been better and created a bit of 'controversy' if this era Bond had ended the film sitting at the kitchen table in Norway peeling Apples for Mathilde. After all the tragedy this Bond finally gets something to work. He's not driving off into the sunset with a dame or even dying, but he now has something he lost -Family. The next film would move on and leave this era.
All the rumblings from comments in the press from studio people for the next era films are a more 'relevent updated' Bond. So i'm guessing he'll be on Instagram checkin out crib of the bitcoin villain he's after, also following the latest Omega watch influencer while sitting in the green cafe ordering his Kale salad waiting on his electric car to charge lol
This post totally gets the ending. I agree absolutely @thelivingroyale
The idea is seeded throughout NTTD. For example, Bond is looking over his shoulder with Madeleine, her supposed betrayal, Nomi telling him that he's a man with nothing to live for, Felix talking about his family and his eventual demise, Bond's speech to Madeleine in Norway, etc.
Also, it's refreshing that the film doesn't end with the woman dying. Instead, it's the male hero and the woman gets the happy ending. It's noteworthy that the film begins with a mother and child and ends in the same way. There's a comment there on intergenerational cycles of violence. I liked that Madeleine got a 'happy ever after.' She deserved it.
The ending was very true to Ian Fleming (so was giving Bond a child). I'm sure some Bondologists out there may be able to correct me, but didn't Fleming give an interview where he spoke about killing Tracey where he explained that Bond cannot have a normal life? I believe said Fleming said he wanted to kill Tracy to reflect that. He teased Bond with happiness, only to take it from him. In many ways, it all comes back to that quote from the Moonraker novel:
"There must be no regrets. No false sentiment. He must play the role which she expected of him. The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette."
Fleming would have approved of NTTD (remember he killed Bond off at least twice and the death in NTTD id also very similar to Bond's death in the YOLT book). Essentially, it's just the ending of OHMSS switched around. Instead of the girl, it's Bond who died.
But yes, I was kinda dissappointed by the material Lashana Lynch was given. When they said she was going after Logan Ash, I expected to see her in some solo espionage scenes kicking some ass, but that was just a footnote in the movie. Meh.
Barbara Broccolli has already talked with Amazon and has been assured that Bond will remain in cinemas.
https://deadline.com/2021/09/james-bond-daniel-craig-no-time-die-amazon-theatrical-streaming-1234844366/
Until now, Amazon has never had a major film franchise like Bond under their house. Most of their films have been indie fare like THE SOUND OF METAL. And one thing that the pandemic has proven is that simply putting the films online is not viable as many predicted. Also the LOTR TV show isn't comparable, because that's actually a show, rather than just a one-off film.
Good to have you back Spectre2!
I thought that when she was MIA during Bond evading Ash and his men, she was maybe a traitor. She only showed up after it was all over... Where was she??? For someone tailing Ash, she was really so far away to give Bond some backup. And to think she was in an Aston Martin but yet couldn't keep up.
“You’re like a kite dancing in a hurricane, Mr. Bond.” ~ Mr. White (Spectre)
An all-time favorite quote for me. Incredible scene too.
I don't know if he does. Given that his daughter was the only thing he seemed to care about, her grief is likely the last thing he would have wanted.
Yeah definitely one of the highlights from Spectre