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NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - First Reactions NO SPOILERS please

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  • UnivexUnivex
    edited October 2021 Posts: 6,710
    It'd be useful and diplomatic if those who liked it and those who disliked it voiced their opinions with the phrasing "IMO", or something to that effect, since the movie is so divisive, it's a bit dangerous, thread wise, to say "the film was great" or "the film was bad", just like so, because someone will undoubtedly react to that turbulently.

    I, for one, thought the movie was great and awful, IMO ;)
  • MalloryMallory
    edited October 2021 Posts: 2,171
    The ultimate villain of No Time To Die

    image___2020_02_25T154233.303.0.png

    Did you spot him? 😁
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,641
    Mallory wrote: »
    The ultimate villain of No Time To Die

    image___2020_02_25T154233.303.0.png

    Did you spot him? 😁

    Yep on first viewing 😅 I love that episode of Wallace and Gromit. I'll have to look out for the MGW cameo next time. I know where it is but it's my favourite part of the film so I'm too engrossed to spot him
  • PDJamesBondPDJamesBond
    edited October 2021 Posts: 669
    It’s currently pouring rain here, and while I was drinking my morning coffee and looking out at the torrential downpour, I had a sudden, random question: Does it rain in NTTD? I don’t recall seeing it rain in any of the trailers or promotional materials. If not, this would be the first DC Bond film in which it never rains – curious, since it had never rained in a single Bond film *ever* before CR.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
    Posts: 1,351
    PDJamesBond wrote: »
    It’s currently pouring rain here, and while I was drinking my morning coffee and looking out at the torrential downpour, I had a sudden, random question: Does it rain in NTTD? I don’t recall seeing it rain in any of the trailers or promotional materials. If not, this would be the first CD Bond film in which it never rains – curious, since it had never rained in a single Bond film *ever* before CR.

    Don't think it does, no.
  • leas_moleleas_mole love is the promise of suffering
    Posts: 574
    ImpertinentGoon wrote: »
    PDJamesBond wrote: »
    It’s currently pouring rain here, and while I was drinking my morning coffee and looking out at the torrential downpour, I had a sudden, random question: Does it rain in NTTD? I don’t recall seeing it rain in any of the trailers or promotional materials. If not, this would be the first CD Bond film in which it never rains – curious, since it had never rained in a single Bond film *ever* before CR.

    Don't think it does, no.

    No rain scenes - went to my 2nd screening today. I am still very moved by it

    BTW, for those in the UK and on O2 mobile network you can get a free Odeon ticket with the Priority app. Valid on a Monday only but can be used on any film including NTTD. Codes will be released tomorrow for next Monday.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    When does it rain in QoS? Does snow count?
  • MalloryMallory
    Posts: 2,171
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    When does it rain in QoS? Does snow count?

    When Bond returns to London and meets M in Mitchell’s flat.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,593
    Aaaah yes, thank you.
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    Watched it today, and was blown away! It was more or less everything I hoped it would be. Some of the best quality action and acting I have seen in a Bond film which makes me forgive that the plot became a little messy towards the end. Some comments from earlier asking for "more Fleming" seem particularly ironic given that there are far more nods to Fleming in this than in most of the films, far more than what I expected anyway.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    This has been mentioned before, but it was a bit odd that Blofeld was born in 1946. He would ve been in his 30s when he was jealous of little James.
  • FatherValentineFatherValentine England
    Posts: 737
    jobo wrote: »
    Watched it today, and was blown away! It was more or less everything I hoped it would be. Some of the best quality action and acting I have seen in a Bond film which makes me forgive that the plot became a little messy towards the end. Some comments from earlier asking for "more Fleming" seem particularly ironic given that there are far more nods to Fleming in this than in most of the films, far more than what I expected anyway.

    But that's enough about Octopussy, what did you think of No Time To Die?
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited October 2021 Posts: 7,593
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    This has been mentioned before, but it was a bit odd that Blofeld was born in 1946. He would ve been in his 30s when he was jealous of little James.

    lol really? That's pretty funny. That movie definitely needed a little more time to bake.
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    FatherValentine wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Watched it today, and was blown away! It was more or less everything I hoped it would be. Some of the best quality action and acting I have seen in a Bond film which makes me forgive that the plot became a little messy towards the end. Some comments from earlier asking for "more Fleming" seem particularly ironic given that there are far more nods to Fleming in this than in most of the films, far more than what I expected anyway.

    But that's enough about Octopussy, what did you think of No Time To Die?

    Hm. I am trying to understand the joke, but I have to admit defeat... :-?
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    This has been mentioned before, but it was a bit odd that Blofeld was born in 1946. He would ve been in his 30s when he was jealous of little James.

    lol really? That's pretty funny. That movie definitely needed a little more time to bake.

    They did a big mistake. Based on what was established in SP if Blofeld was born in 1946 he would've been 39 when he first met Bond in 1985.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,216
    Yeah I figured Blofeld should have just been Waltz’ age, a guy still in his 20s living with pops. Even a photo they bring up of young Oberhauser does NOT look like a man pushing 40.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Yeah I figured Blofeld should have just been Waltz’ age, a guy still in his 20s living with pops. Even a photo they bring up of young Oberhauser does NOT look like a man pushing 40.

    The alpine air obviously keeps you young and freshfaced, as well as making you nuts.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    Posts: 4,490
    PDJamesBond wrote: »
    It’s currently pouring rain here, and while I was drinking my morning coffee and looking out at the torrential downpour, I had a sudden, random question: Does it rain in NTTD? I don’t recall seeing it rain in any of the trailers or promotional materials. If not, this would be the first CD Bond film in which it never rains – curious, since it had never rained in a single Bond film *ever* before CR.

    It doesn't rain in NTTD (surprisingly). But it rained already in OHMSS when Draco's car parks in front of Gumbold's entry. The wipers are moving.
  • DrunkIrishPoetDrunkIrishPoet The Amber Coast
    Posts: 156
    I think that “No Time to Die” represents the apotheosis of the Bond film, much like Maurice Ravel’s La Valse represents the apotheosis of the waltz. That is to say, it is a simultaneously a tribute to the past, a summary and a synthesis of all that has come before it, and a challenge to the future. Yes, one might enjoy “Goldfinger” more than “No Time to Die,” much in the same way that one enjoys listening to and dancing to The Beautiful Blue Danube more than they enjoy listening and dancing to La Valse, but there can be no denying the sheer mastery of the form.

    “No Time to Die” will retroactively inform future viewings of the Bond films of the past, and preemptively proscribe the Bond films yet to come. It enhances our understanding and appreciation of this legendary character. It is a commentary on, and a critique of, its own existence—you could say “it insists upon itself.” It was inevitable; it was an historical imperative; it is the completion of an epic cycle.

    In my opinion, no movie sequel since “The Godfather Part 2” has done as masterful of job of building on its mythology, embellishing what made it great, and reaching new heights in its genre. “No Time to Die” is a masterpiece. Cheers!
  • SkyfallCraigSkyfallCraig Rome, Italy
    Posts: 630
    vittoriacolona wrote: »
    vittoriacolona wrote: »

    The film will be a success but it could have been so much better. I would rank it right in the middle behind CR and SP.

    Sorry, my mistake. I meant I place it behind Casino Royale and Skyfall.

    I'd rank Craig's tenure like this:
    SF
    NTTD
    CR
    SP
    QOS
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,402
    jobo wrote: »
    FatherValentine wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Watched it today, and was blown away! It was more or less everything I hoped it would be. Some of the best quality action and acting I have seen in a Bond film which makes me forgive that the plot became a little messy towards the end. Some comments from earlier asking for "more Fleming" seem particularly ironic given that there are far more nods to Fleming in this than in most of the films, far more than what I expected anyway.

    But that's enough about Octopussy, what did you think of No Time To Die?

    Hm. I am trying to understand the joke, but I have to admit defeat... :-?

    One of the best scenes in Octopussy is when Bond first meets her, and she talks about how he encountered her father, Major Dexter Smythe, who smuggled a cache of Chinese gold while on assignment from the Service to retrieve it. Bond was sent to track him down and, in taking him in, gave him 24 hours to settle his affairs, during which time Smythe chose to commit suicide. This is essentially the premise of the short story Octopussy, although in the literary version Smythe had murdered Bond's friend and ski instructor Hannes Oberhauser. If that latter point sounds familiar, yes, in a roundabout way, this would partially serve as the inspiration for the Craig era's version of Blofeld.
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    FatherValentine wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Watched it today, and was blown away! It was more or less everything I hoped it would be. Some of the best quality action and acting I have seen in a Bond film which makes me forgive that the plot became a little messy towards the end. Some comments from earlier asking for "more Fleming" seem particularly ironic given that there are far more nods to Fleming in this than in most of the films, far more than what I expected anyway.

    But that's enough about Octopussy, what did you think of No Time To Die?

    Hm. I am trying to understand the joke, but I have to admit defeat... :-?

    One of the best scenes in Octopussy is when Bond first meets her, and she talks about how he encountered her father, Major Dexter Smythe, who smuggled a cache of Chinese gold while on assignment from the Service to retrieve it. Bond was sent to track him down and, in taking him in, gave him 24 hours to settle his affairs, during which time Smythe chose to commit suicide. This is essentially the premise of the short story Octopussy, although in the literary version Smythe had murdered Bond's friend and ski instructor Hannes Oberhauser. If that latter point sounds familiar, yes, in a roundabout way, this would partially serve as the inspiration for the Craig era's version of Blofeld.

    Yes, I did understand my description of NTTD could potentially fit with other films as well, OP for example. I just didn't understand the point in adressing it...
  • FatherValentineFatherValentine England
    Posts: 737
    jobo wrote: »
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    FatherValentine wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Watched it today, and was blown away! It was more or less everything I hoped it would be. Some of the best quality action and acting I have seen in a Bond film which makes me forgive that the plot became a little messy towards the end. Some comments from earlier asking for "more Fleming" seem particularly ironic given that there are far more nods to Fleming in this than in most of the films, far more than what I expected anyway.

    But that's enough about Octopussy, what did you think of No Time To Die?

    Hm. I am trying to understand the joke, but I have to admit defeat... :-?

    One of the best scenes in Octopussy is when Bond first meets her, and she talks about how he encountered her father, Major Dexter Smythe, who smuggled a cache of Chinese gold while on assignment from the Service to retrieve it. Bond was sent to track him down and, in taking him in, gave him 24 hours to settle his affairs, during which time Smythe chose to commit suicide. This is essentially the premise of the short story Octopussy, although in the literary version Smythe had murdered Bond's friend and ski instructor Hannes Oberhauser. If that latter point sounds familiar, yes, in a roundabout way, this would partially serve as the inspiration for the Craig era's version of Blofeld.

    Yes, I did understand my description of NTTD could potentially fit with other films as well, OP for example. I just didn't understand the point in adressing it...

    It was just a joke about Octopussy, not a dig at you.
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    FatherValentine wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    FatherValentine wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Watched it today, and was blown away! It was more or less everything I hoped it would be. Some of the best quality action and acting I have seen in a Bond film which makes me forgive that the plot became a little messy towards the end. Some comments from earlier asking for "more Fleming" seem particularly ironic given that there are far more nods to Fleming in this than in most of the films, far more than what I expected anyway.

    But that's enough about Octopussy, what did you think of No Time To Die?

    Hm. I am trying to understand the joke, but I have to admit defeat... :-?

    One of the best scenes in Octopussy is when Bond first meets her, and she talks about how he encountered her father, Major Dexter Smythe, who smuggled a cache of Chinese gold while on assignment from the Service to retrieve it. Bond was sent to track him down and, in taking him in, gave him 24 hours to settle his affairs, during which time Smythe chose to commit suicide. This is essentially the premise of the short story Octopussy, although in the literary version Smythe had murdered Bond's friend and ski instructor Hannes Oberhauser. If that latter point sounds familiar, yes, in a roundabout way, this would partially serve as the inspiration for the Craig era's version of Blofeld.

    Yes, I did understand my description of NTTD could potentially fit with other films as well, OP for example. I just didn't understand the point in adressing it...

    It was just a joke about Octopussy, not a dig at you.

    Ok then. And yes, I agree the description fits OP quite accurately too.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,078
    Well I bloody enjoyed that! Not sure what I will make of it in subsequent viewings because there's a hell of a lot to take in. The long runtime simply flew by. It really felt like it was under 2 hours. It's really well paced.

    Simply put It's far superior to SP. The action is one of It's strengths. It's thrilling and has lots of suspense.

    Performances are all good. I though Leah Seydoux was a real stand out.

    The film moves so fast It's plot all seems a bit of a confused hodge podge of ideas, but I'm sure repeat viewings will either make or break it.

    The score seemed pretty good although it harks back to previous films too much for my liking.

    The climax is nerve shreddingly good with some brutal gunplay.

    I will relish watching this again on Bluray at home.

    My opinion so far is It's a great time in the cinema.

    Look forward to discussing it at length on here 👍
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,593
    Glad to hear people are enjoying it more than Spectre. If the story is tighter, that's all I'll need from it I think.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    It is leagues better than SP overall. The story has layers; not a super simple one, but better than SP, yes. And such a gorgeous film to watch - stunning cinematography, great pacing, outstanding action! Yes, it is a brilliantly crafted Bond film.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,641
    I'm glad the thread of MI6's relevance was not pulled at this time round, it's been long long overdone in this era
  • Mathis1Mathis1
    Posts: 7,616
    goldenswissroyale wrote: »
    PDJamesBond wrote: »
    It’s currently pouring rain here, and while I was drinking my morning coffee and looking out at the torrential downpour, I had a sudden, random question: Does it rain in NTTD? I don’t recall seeing it rain in any of the trailers or promotional materials. If not, this would be the first CD Bond film in which it never rains – curious, since it had never rained in a single Bond film *ever* before CR.

    It doesn't rain in NTTD (surprisingly). But it rained already in OHMSS when Draco's car parks in front of Gumbold's entry. The wipers are moving.

    You beat me to it.
    It does indeed rain in OHMSS!
  • Mathis1Mathis1
    Posts: 7,616
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    Well I bloody enjoyed that! Not sure what I will make of it in subsequent viewings because there's a hell of a lot to take in. The long runtime simply flew by. It really felt like it was under 2 hours. It's really well paced.

    Simply put It's far superior to SP. The action is one of It's strengths. It's thrilling and has lots of suspense.

    Performances are all good. I though Leah Seydoux was a real stand out.

    The film moves so fast It's plot all seems a bit of a confused hodge podge of ideas, but I'm sure repeat viewings will either make or break it.

    The score seemed pretty good although it harks back to previous films too much for my liking.

    The climax is nerve shreddingly good with some brutal gunplay.

    I will relish watching this again on Bluray at home.

    My opinion so far is It's a great time in the cinema.

    Look forward to discussing it at length on here 👍

    Glad you enjoyed it mate! Am still in a bit of a quagmire about it, but I certainly will be giving it another watch! One thing is for sure, like CR, I will never forget my first viewing of it!!
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