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Then again she watches Norwegian children's TV... So she's probably trilingual. (If that's a word).
I don't think him having a daughter will come up again, no. I don't think they could make it work to just have a mention of a daughter, but her not being a plot element. In a way, him dying ties that off quite nicely. Had he somehow gotten off the island and then the recast happens, I personally would have been very confused as to whether he just abandoned his family or what just happened. That is why Tracy dies at the end of OHMSS. So that the story is tied-up and in the future they can just drop "He was married once, but she died" and that's that and don't have to do a whole "He was married once, but they seperated. She now lives in LA and has re-married. It's all a bit complicated." and then his ex-wife becomes a MacGuffin at some point or something like that.
And if we want to do the whole bit that NTTD is the canonical death of James Bond in any incarnation (which I absolutely do not subscribe to), him meeting his daughter would be a canary in the coalmine situation. Once he meets her, he is going to get blown up shortly after...
I kind of bumped on that as well. That and Madeleine suddenly speaking English to her in the final scene so that the last moment of Craig's tenure isn't in French.
BTW, new headcanon: Every story from here on out and possibly everything that has come before is Madeleine telling stories to her daughter. Craig is Bond Prime everyone else is just a figment of Madeleine's imagination. :))
Was it Norwegian? Was it her or the young Madeleine watching The Wrong Trousers?
Young Madeleine for The Wrong Trousers.
Also it is somewhat amusing that the actor portraying Madeleine’s mother is Mathilde Bourbin.
Madeleine was watching W&G, Mathilde was watching "Fantorangen", a children's show on Norwegian television. If there was one thing I never expected to see in a Bond film... haha :P
I've mixed feelings. The first time I was horrified by the ending. But the second viewing was much better. As many posters have said, the first hour is brilliant; then once it hits London it loses it's way a bit.
Bit of a random question but does anyone know why Bond was using a phone simliar to a Nokia 3310 at the start of the film. It was supposed to be 2015 not 1995 :D
I believe Fleming wrote something about Bond being a purist, preferring old Nokias to the modern Samsungs. ;)
He is off the grid and he is an old school guy and most importantly Nokia wanted to promote their non-smartphone range ^^. Madeleine also uses one of their "feature phones" in the PTS...
Haha thanks everyone :)
@TheQueensPeace I'm still shocked mate, struggling to process it but what outweighs that for me is how conclusive it is and how the producers didn't think the ending may overshadow the overall feeling towards the film
Totally agree. I'm still shocked/upset and angry about it. To an extent that has surprised me. All my life watching and enjoying Bond, with the conviction/knowledge that one of the major things making him unique was that he'd always find a way out. Almost 60 years of Bond films and he's just been killed. It just seems really callous and unnecessary. They should have stopped after Spectre and let him find some happiness.
Look: there is a very divisive tone on here at the moment and a lack of tolerance of the passion that binds us: Bond!
So thanks for being kind.
We all love this series, this character or why else be here?
None of us has the definitive take. None has a hot line to EON and nobody gets points for sycophancy anymore than they do hating the film.
I will reiterate: had Daniel's Bond died in Quantum of Solace? Ok. Even Casino! But the fact is Casino Royale WAS meant yes as hard reboot but NOT necessarily the start of an 'arc'. At its end, the experiment was done and Bond was Bond, having explained why he is why he is, he could just 'be', with or without Craig.
Skyfall, though I adore it, muddied those waters by beginning us on a course to resume the fun and it was self contained, too. End it there: Craig and if need be, yes, the series. When he is on that rooftop at the end, amidst a sea of union jacks: anything was possible from there on and showing what came 'next' is arguably the mistake they made, much as I get why everyone wanted more after a billion dollar gross! But in 2012: the world felt better, so did the UK, and so did Bond. Now? all 3 feel a bit weaker, in parallel. So the new film has failed me.
And SPECTRE + NTTD really just feel tonally illiterate and the death therefore, to my mind, anyway, at odds with BOTH the Craig take AND the series ethos of yes, be bold and thrilling and even dark on occasion, but no actor or era, let alone 007 itself, gets definitive 'end'.
The only point I can make in response to this is that I think the filmmakers want to let you sit with the emotions that come from seeing a childhood hero die. I understand that some people hate that (I don't), but I think it is pretty clear that is what they wanted. They could have pulled that punch and they didn't.
Absolutely!! Thankfully Cary added her into the script last minute. Ana De Armas is a star in the making
I noticed this too on my second viewing. Not sure why this was edited out :/
I agree. If the plan was always to kill off the DC Bond then they should have done it with SP, not because it makes sense but because at the end of SP it didn’t look as though DC would return for another film
It's strange, because in the German dub it is very clearly audible that he says "Familie"/family and it actually got a bit of a laugh in the theatre because he says it with a very incredulous facial expression. I couldn't hear him say anything, when I watched it again in the original English, which I find weird. Maybe somebody who has seen the film in another language can chime in? It seems like it is in the script and Craig clearly said it, but they decided to change it in post, but didn't tell the voice over houses producing the alternate language versions? Strange.