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I believe Quantum also discusses their Canadian plot at the opera meeting, so I always thought of them as maybe the "Extortion" branch. Less regional, and more about the SPECTRE acronym.
I originally wanted a TDKR ending with Bond popping up in Matera or something and then later found myself willing to accept any form of ambiguity once I was officially spoiled. Having seen it, I'm with you on being pleased that it was definitive. No form of ambiguity would work in what we were given as it would cheapen everything that happens in the last few minutes from the story to Zimmer's score to Craig's acting. For Bond to survive, the final act and maybe even much of the movie would arguably have to have been changed. There's something to be said about writers/producers giving the character what the story demands and what the character wants versus what the audience wants for the character. Now I'm wondering if a revisit to Nolan's trilogy would make me feel differently about TDKR's ending I previously enjoyed.
On a different note, the juxtaposition of Bond's facial expression while watching Madeleine move away on the train the last time he sees her in the PTS with his facial expression while he watches her and Mathilde move away on the raft the last time he ever sees them is a lovely bookend touch. A lot of thought went into this movie.
Bond died... only to be back a few years later as some other fellow. See, the same principal applies. ;)
I highly doubt there's any substance in that rumour and maybe wishful thinking though. I think we may be lucky to see a deleted scene montage. Did they do that for QOS or was it only for CR? There was nothing that way for SF or SP was there?
True. A lot of the mirrorings in NTTD are delivered a bit more clearly than those in SP - for example, I must've watched SP half a dozen times before it dawned on me that Madeleine ends the interview when Bond mentions L'Americain, just as Bond had ended the interview when the MI6 psychologist mentioned Skyfall in SF. Couldn't believe it'd taken me that long to spot it. Does make me wonder how many I've missed in my limited (two) viewings of NTTD, though.
As long as Tim Curry pops up in one of the alternate endings to tell us that "Communism was just a red herring", I'm all for it.
The beginning of the song playing while Safin tells Bond his fate is sealed and he is truly doomed is one of the most powerful scenes I've ever seen in a movie. The last 15 years converged on that moment.
"You made me do this you see. This was your choice", and that evil smirk on Safin's face right before Bond coldly executes him hit me so freaking hard.
Despite not really showing up until the end of the film I thought Safin was an excellent villain and a worthy adversary for this final chapter.
Oh, nice catch! I hadn't noticed that one myself. I did think Madeleine's seemingly desolate location in Austria mirrored Bond's empty flat.
This particular one from NTTD I didn't catch until a repeat viewing but it's really quite nice as it showcases his emotional journey in the film.
Oh, then my understanding of the word "Morte" (as in Le Morte d' Arthur) must be wrong.
:))
Also noticed that Bond has newspaper clippings of Blofeld's arrest in the secret drawer at his house in Jamaica .
Yes, same for me. One of the most powerful viewing experiences I've had in the cinema. I think that moment is Craig's finest acting in the entire run.
Yeah. Bond is so angry but he also cares so little about Safin he just executes him like a pest while barely looking at him. All he cares about is his family. Safin was a pathetic nuisance who was able to use Bond's family as leverage against him. Malek played that part so well.
Indeed. There is so much to unpack in NTTD...
The theme of choice and free will and the consequences of our choices (or choices made for us) ran through the entire narrative arc.
Yeah it worked for me. I didn't need him to draw up a powerpoint presentation. I was much more invested in Malek's performance and his relationship to the other characters. I do wish he was in more scenes but I understand that the main focus of the film was supposed to be the drama between Bond and Madeline. Everything else was secondary.
I thought he came across very well as a bitter, delusional, and damaged man. I absolutely love how Madeline's assistant said "you have a new patient...he's weird".
Well, bad news for you. Connery and Moore are permanetly unavailable, as are Bernard Lee, Desmond Llewelyn and Lois Maxwell.
I really got this vibe with Safin. Mr. White killed his family and he felt it took away all his options in life and set him on the course to terrorize White's daughter. He had no other choice.
The notion of unintended consequences is one of the bigger themes of the era.
Funnily enough I'm almost thinking that a happy ending like you mention might've made it similarly difficult, possibly even more difficult, to do Bond 26. We know that Bond has a happy ending so there's no jeopardy? :)
With the added problem that people will be asking if Craig is coming back for the next one, maybe he can team up with this new Bond etc. etc.
Robin Hood did though: I remember him dying when he looked just like James Bond :)
Yep, I think you're spot-on there.
I just don’t understand how something being emotionally sad and people saying “I cried” ad Naseum equates to something being any good.
Robin Hood did though: I remember him dying when he looked just like James Bond :)
:) Indeed.
Robin Hood at least had a pretty cool death scene. Heracles' death is really pretty yucky, wearing a blood-drenched cloak & all. They've ruined him for me, I'm never going to watch a Heracles movie ever again so there.
But then the audience would have been left wondering what the significance of the title of the movie was
Even so, at the time, a number of casual Bond viewers I know asked me what it meant, and that was after seeing the movie
I believe you are over thinking it.
Clearly, when QoS was being made Quantum was intended to be the Craig era equivalent of Spectre, but that film didn't go over so well and the evil organisation itself in particular took the blame. The villain's were criticised for being too "grey", the evil scheme to corner the market in water was not dramatic enough for a Bond movie etc
So they were dropped entirely for the next film, while the Bond creative team considered their options
Then they came up with the idea of reimagining Quantum as a subsidiary of Spectre after the fact (just as they retrospectively linked Silva to Spectre) in order to give the impression they they knew what they were doing all along and it had always been part of the infallible Craig-Bond masterplan story arc.
But we all know better than that. By all means, respect the way they adapted to changing circumstances and came up with a neat solution if you will, and but there is no need rewrite the history behind it.
I didn’t know that White killed Greene. Is there a QOS deleted scene that shows this?
Agree. Awful early for the finality of “sealed” and “definitive.” And Craig is my personal favorite Bond.
I feel the same about it. It's just wrong!