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Quite right, but back then in 1989 (before even the Berlin Wall came down), when it came out, neither Dalton nor Cubby nor anbody else, knew, that LTK would be his last Bond movie. Same with Brosnan. That is maybe a reason for Brosnan feeling hurt, when he got the boot, realising, that his final outing would be such a stinker. Connery and Moore (and Lazenby) knew, that DAF (almost) and AVTAK were their final movie.
I think what helps make it all so moving is the knowledge, acceptance & consolation, especially, that if he is not going to survive - it is for the best given the implications of having been poisoned with the nanobots targeted for Madeleine & Mathilde.
So it's not that he chooses to die, only that he embraces his imminent death in the knowledge of the above.
So basically the response is, "They did it because they wanted to." Yeah, I get that. It's their franchise and they can do what they want with it.
Yes. I have no intention of spending 3+ hours in a theater during a pandemic for a movie that I have no interest in seeing. I've read the plot rundown. I know what happens and I'm not interested in discussing stuff like cinematography and music.
What a waste of time. Seriously, if you have no intention of even seeing the movie, stop discussing the movie. We're not here talking about the Wikipedia plot rundown, we're talking about the film.
It's the strangest thing - as if he somehow had a premonition of Bond's death (which seems unlikely), and yet, there it is ....
Well, I mean he knows Bond is on the island; I think M's delivery here made sense contextually, even if Bond had made a daring escape and survived.
Literally in my first post here I said I wasn't going to watch it. And unless the movie has a different plot, I can still criticize its major beats based on the rundown. I haven't at all commented on its acting, camerawork specifically because I haven't seen it.
I mean, of course, you can do whatever you want.
Plenty of members - before seeing NTTD -were adamantly against Bond dying. Me, included. Plenty of us were moved and surprised by having an ending that (although against our longstanding conviction) was so very well done, appropriate, and overall satisfying for us. Others have mixed reactions, and we do vary in our feelings, naturally.
But we at least SAW the movie. Gave it a chance. I now wish more than ever there was a mute button on this forum, because every time you will comment on NTTD you are commenting from a point of view of hearsay and not your own personal experience of watching it, and therefore your comments are not of any interest to me. You should have been upfront about not seeing the film. And there are other threads you can enjoy on the forum. But for now, you are hopefully off my radar.
Do everyone a favor and stop wasting everyone’s time posting and responding in this thread. Every word you’ve put up here has been invalid.
I was. I flat-out said so in my very first post.
What on earth makes you think that every time you post, every member that sees your post is going to go back and reference your first post?
Maybe put it as your location or something? lol
I mean, a rational person would know not to discuss at length a film they haven't seen, but for you, maybe that little constant reminder would be helpful.
For threads, and yes, now for posters, it would be helpful.
Hmm, I suppose so ....
But an understandable concern for Bond's life is one thing. This seems a different level entirely ... like he knows what's going to happen, as crazy as that might sound - so maybe it's just me.
The long line of angry little men has a new member.
Yes, I meant Bond's original plan, before the blast doors were re-closed and whatnot.
Agreed.
Wait, I had missed the fact that you haven't watched NTTD... (That's on me, by the way, since you did apparently state this before.)
Still, you have read the wiki summary and based on what you know, you--okay, look, this is absolutely outrageous. It means you are in literally no position to judge this film! Image, sound, acting, pace, the "overall feel", a holistic reading of the film, emotional build-up... It makes your entire "case" preposterous. Well, senior, you've got some cojones. Burning a film you haven't seen based on factual knowledge of the plot but no experience of the entire work is like saying a painting that you've never been able to look at sucks based on a description of what it shows. It also means that your partners in criticising NTTD's ending must feel quite embarrassed by your "contributions" to the debate.
Exactly why you have zero business being here! It's an au-dio-vi-su-al medium. Take notice: you see things and you hear things. It's the sum total (and more) of those things that you judge when you judge a film. Don't tell me: you judge books based on their covers too?
All the time you've spent here (wasting ours) could have allowed you three dozen viewings of the film. Then at least you had some qualifications for contributing to this thread. Your opinion is literally inferior to ours since we have actually seen the bloody movie! And saying that,
"[you] know what happens and [you're] not interested in discussing stuff like cinematography and music,"
makes you even more laughable! Reducing the merits of a film to its plot is a fool's game. Hey, good luck discussing half the Bond films then. There's one with a diamond-lasered killer satellite and an invisible car and face swapping and Madonna as a fencing instructor. And someone says "yo momma!". Let's discuss. God, you're a joke, mate, a joke.
Couldn't have said it better, @4EverBonded! Now I'm feeling bad for having spent the past four weeks trying to reason with @slide_99. Makes me feel like an unintentional school bully. @-)
I thought they were stories you all just told to each other around this forum… well, hopefully there are only a couple, so I can get caught up! At least they aren’t novels… ;)
Yes, imagine that. But hey, I judge my pizzas too by that one ingredient in its dough... that I haven't even tasted myself. I just read about it.
Christ, what a turn of events. Maybe we should open up a new thread: judge films you haven't seen. That should be fun. I have never watched Mean Girls 2 but I already hate that film because according to wiki, some charity money meant to be spent on an animal welfare group gets stolen. So I hate that movie because that is immoral and you just . don't . do . that! And whoever disagrees with me is unworthy of calling himself a "Mean Girls" fan! Acting and such don't interest me. You don't steal charity money and that's it.
LOL. Yikes.
For a movie you have no interest in seeing, you sure have great interest in discussing it. I would think you would be a little curious to see it? A little? Just a bit? A teeny tiny little bit?
I'm going to gleefully beat the dead horse here and thank you for coming in here with a "My opinion won't change, so I'm just going to make all the people who liked the film regret their own opinions" attitude without ever actually bothering to know what it is you're talking about.
Oh, I enjoyed this.
:)) :))
I am sure he hates it.
I'm sure he's disappointed with the viewers enjoying it.