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Yes... she definitely made a very risky call hiding in Norway waiting for Bond to show up there. As far as she knew Safin could've arrived first since she wasn't aware of Blofeld's fate at that point.
I speak and understand English and Dutch; I used to speak French rather well, but now I merely understand it. My French speaking skills have turned a bit rusty.
An educated guess then, are you Flemish, Dimitri ?
However, the whole thing is a bit of a plot hole. How did she manage to keep Mathilde a secret from everyone but the villains?
On another note, I noticed from another viewing last night that when Bond enters the party in Cuba that many of the Spectre agents are watching him walk by (as opposed to not watching Paloma). Some of them smirking. They were expecting him. Nice touch as it clears up "how did Bond just walk into this party" that I've read and heard since the movie came out.
Yes, sir, indeed I am.
Woont u in of nabij Vlaanderen?
But that then opens up the question how Blofeld had this all planned, when it was Ash - who isn’t working for Blofeld - through Leiter who got Bond to Cuba and to the party. Primo is in Jamaica, so they knew he was coming but only with like a day of advance notice.
My headcanon is that originally they just sent Primo to get some DNA off of Bond and the plan for the party was that all of SPECTRE would ceremoniously infect themselves with the virus targeted at Bond that would find and kill him at some point and then the target just strolled into the party, which is an insane coincidence.
Schot in de roos, dan!
Back to this thread then:
I saw NTTD for the 2nd time - this time in IMAX (first time was standard format, 4K laser) - last week during a day off from work on the Brussels IMAX screen - in a completely empty IMAX cinema....
So it was just me and the gigantic film in front of me, quite an eerie experience...
NTTD does come alive better in IMAX, I must say. The PTS, in particular Matera, is stunning. The audio in IMAX also heightens the quality of the whole story, and what struck me this time is that the colour-palette is very similar to Beasts Of No Nation, especially in the Matera, Jamaica and Cuba sequences.
Fukanaga downplays the vividness after that for London, Norway, Finale, I find. I assume that is intentional.
I agree that the use of French for Madeleine & her mother's scenes immediately stands out - the whole set, use of props, the way it's shot - it feels almost arthouse, in a way.
Actually, it doesn't.
Madeleine went there to (hopefully) meet Bond. At that point, she had no idea that Safin had a master plan, knew nothing about Ash; she only knew Safin wanted Blofeld dead.
My guess is that had Bond not arrived by the next morning, she would have left.
The fact that MI6 doesn't know about Mathilde, and the fact that Mathilde doesn't use English (even if she understand it) as her first language makes me wonder if Swann kept her in Norway and not in London... perhaps someone takes care of her while Swann is in London. That would explain why Swann goes to Norway.
She wasn't going there for hiding but to stay with her daughter, waiting for Bond in order to tell him the truth about Safin and showing him the informations that MI6 needed to track him down.
Yes I agree.
Ash was likely responsible for SPECTRE knowing that Bond would've come.
Yes, I too wondered if she has a caretaker of some sort. She would have to even if she took Mathilde to London while she works.
@DavidWebb
I live in Flanders, between Leuven and Mechelen. Heart of our region so to speak. ;-)
@Minion
Some obscure trash has been produced, but yes, DOD is a bonafide classic. It's a deliciously wacky erotic vampire film from the '70s, and one I love dearly.
I wondered about that too.
I love that we are even discussing the fact that this film opens in French. I guess Brosnan's last film opened in a foreign language too. And so did Moore's. Interesting. Not Connery's, though, that is, unless you include NSNA.
When Bond arrives at Madeleine's house, he parks the Aston Martin at a gate, away from the house, and walks from there.
The next day, when the three hurriedly leave, we see the Aston Martin parked at the house.
I suppose Bond could have re-parked, and maybe that's where he got the white henley?
Oh, I loved that tiny detail and didn't view it as a goof. He's moved in. Lol
Also, it's interesting that in Matera, Bond tells Madeleine that he's going to come back for breakfast after visiting Vesper's grave (so they can have a future). The next time they are back together, he's making breakfast. lol
The villain's plot is essentially a reworked remake of the horse sub-plot of A View To A Kill. I found it lacklustre and backseat to what was going on in Bond. The villain didn't add anything memorable and certainly was very poor.
Bond is the main attraction here - the second part of the movie from when Swan reemerges is the Craig era in a nutshell. Did I like it? No. Was I surprised? No. Did the ending catch me by surprise? Yes. I didn't expect it. And I'll be honest: I was angry and upset that the Producers did it. That was my gut reaction at the time. But in all honesty, upon reflection, I am relieved. The Craig experiment is done. The story arc is finished. James Bond will return but it won't be like Craig's Bond. Story arcs aren't ruled out for future Bonds. I just think this style is done. I'm thankful for it as for me it is too much of a departure. I'm relieved as for me, Ive never considered Craig's Bond the same Bond of Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton and Brosnan. The ending confirmed it for me. The Craig era is a different timeline to the first 20 movies. The next Bond will hopefully be of the same flavour of the first 20 movies.
I think this because Producers gave us plenty of clues and links to Bond's past. OHMSS features heavily (I wasn't a fan of it being included here - Swan is no Tracy!) And inclusion of TLD Aston Martin nods to Dalton. The portrait of Robert Brown, though seen briefly, was reassuring and a message from Producers that the films of the past still matter to Bond's future.
After spending last 5 days watching Craig era, I am going to watch TSWLM. Why? BecauE after NTTD, I need a comforting Bond movie to contrast that ending. To give hope. Nobody does it better. I hope Bond Nunber 7 does it better than Craig at least.
I felt fed up too, and I watched TWINE. And it's certainly not one of my faves, but I craved that 'old Bond' comfort.
The thing is, we still have TWINE and TSWLM, and although I'm a Dad/Dead Bond skeptic, I can also see they couldn't really carry on remaking the same type of film, could they?
It is a pretty darn intense movie. We've got the best of both worlds now, it could be said.
Well, she is still the daughter of an assassin being in love with another assassin...
Bond always evolved with the times. Remember the jump at the beginning of Goldeneye? It's only there because at the time, base jump was the rage. In fact, it looked ridiculous because people were going "they try to keep Bond relevant using the last fad of extreme sport", but that is the Bond saga ever since the 70's to you, when Roger Moore did a Blaxploitation Bond, then a Hong-Kong kung fu Bond.
So something different will come next.
But in the same breath, surely the Craig era and the style of the Craig era is now dead and long gone? It can't carry on as it is in the same way and manner? The Producers acknowledge that hence the ending of NTTD
Thank God they didn't. That jarring transition is the single worst aspect of OHMSS.
I think it was the right thing to do. The World carries on. Bond carries on. NTTD just was too much cheese at the end with Louis Armstrong.
Or, they will go the plastic surgery route and follow the current story.
Or Kathleen Kennedy will steps in as the new producer, and make one film a year.
Or, Matthew Vaughn finally direct a James Bond!
Good points. I know some fans get mad that each Bond film co-opts existing trends, at least since 1973.
But the willingness of the films to evolve to fit the times, well, that's kind of what keeps the franchise alive. A hermetically sealed "Bond world" might have died off decades ago.