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Absolutely, it is very Kamen. The opening sounds like the LTK gunbarrel. The guitar, the strings, very Kamen indeed.
That has led me to consider the theory that if this track had a commercial release, it is more likely that it happened around 1989. It would make sense that there is some re-recording album out there, featuring a Bond theme variation in which someone tried to replicate the music style of the latest Bond film at the time.
Not a certainty, simply more likely, in the event that the track was taken off a CD.
If it's a "fan made" track, anything goes.
And why does the audio in the right channel cut off at 19 seconds?
It actually weirdly feels like a missing link between Kamen's usual staccato horn style (see something like Hans' death in Die Hard) and his gunbarrel fanfare, which I hadn't quite twigged were related before. He especially likes to do that one repeated brass note which then repeats quicker and quicker (I feel like there's a lot of that in the Lethal Weapons) which we kind of see here, but still based fairly closely on the Bond fanfare, and then translated into a more original take for his LTK gunbarrel.
It doesn't mean it's real, but it does make it more convincing.
Yeah that's a good thought. To me the brass stuff sounds kind of thin and non-synth, like they have only a few players (which might be wrong); which would be a bit odd as it sounds like the Flick/Clapton sessions were just the four or so of them without a bigger band containing brass. Also the strings sound like synth, but they don't sound like the synth strings you hear on both Edge of Darkness and the LTK score, and if Kamen used that sound on both you'd think he'd be using them at this point in between the two.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/230328753824015/posts/1866603853529822/
I'm not a fan of it either, but I don't think it was intended for public consumption. That's just "messin' in the studio" kind of stuff.
https://www.facebook.com/ericclapton
If someone contacted him via his Facebook page he may reply and confirm if that is the track he worked on. I'm sure he would give the definitive answer (assuming he wishes to reply).
My personal feeling, just a guess, is it's legitimate. The song reminds me of the Michael Kamen/Sting/Eric Clapton track It's Probably Me featured in Lethal Weapon 3 (1992):
The guitar section around the 2:24 mark onwards sounds very similar to the Bond track. Near identical production. It's Probably Me sounds kinda like a Kamen/Clapton Bond theme.
James Page has said on Facebook that certain superfans who have pooh-poohed it will have egg on their faces; not sure if that means he has some extra proof in the pipeline or just that the Andy Glen authentication seems fairly positive.
I guess we could try asking Clapton, but he does seem quite litigious so we might all get sued! :D
And obviously if you haven't heard Edge of Darkness, to me it has a similar feel:
Personally I don't think this was ever meant to be the finished version.
Thank you. I too had contacted Asian_Bond asking for more information.
When you posted this, I decided to message Steve Ferrone on Facebook and ask him about the track. I knew getting an answer was a long shot, and indeed he hasn't replied yet. But maybe he will. I could also post about it in his fan group, which he appears to read at least occasionally.
Interesting to read about the Andy Glen stuff. He implies that it is the real track, but pity that he never outright says that. It would be refreshing to hear someone directly connected with the film production say "yes, that's the track, I'm completely sure" or "no, that's not the track, I'm completely sure."
Thank you very much for sharing. Vic Flick had expressed slight uncertainty in the comment posted on the James Bond Music group, but I think that was just about the Bond theme being part of the LTK track. The last line of this other comment is quite telling: "He won't say the track isn't the right one but he won't authenticate it either." It just begs for further verification, meaning asking more people.
One other thing I consider highly significant and I don't think has been mentioned anywhere. Vic Flick says he doesn't recall all the brass. Well, the brass and strings are synths in the SoundCloud audio. Is it then possible that the track was recorded without the synths and they were added later? That would fit with "more subtle" vibe mentioned by Vic, as he would have participated in the recording without the more bombastic elements being present.
Of course, there remains the fact Vic thinks the Bond theme wasn't part of the track, but Stephen McLaughlin said the track had "a kind of quote" of it. Unfortunately, who knows what he meant by "a kind".
The Bond theme guitar of the theme sounds a lot like the guitar of the gunbarrel, as well. I don't think we had discussed that particular aspect before.
I think I know who Page is referring to. I haven't been satisfied with his comments, I must say.
He says the Bond theme is not part of the track, seeing it appears to be to some extent, per Stephen McLaughlin's words.
He says the Bond theme parts at the beginning and the end of the SoundCloud track were taken from a compilation album and pasted together with the middle of the track. He mentions Andromeda Project. I checked their Bond themes album and as far as I can tell, the bits at the beginning and the end couldn't have come from that, as the style is way different. He also mentions the London Metropolitan Orchestra, but I don't know what recordings of Bond music they have done. I might have poor searching skills, I don't know. But the SoundCloud track has a synth orchestra, not a real one.
I also considered he might have meant that someone had done a mockup of the music in the compilation album for the potentially fake track. I don't think that's the case with Andromeda. Their Bond theme rendition is fairly traditional, except it's performed on synths. And I don't know about the London Metropolitan Orchestra.
He does say he asked his sources about the SoundCloud track and it wasn't the real one. It appears he was thorough about it, but I just wish he could just say who it was that he asked.
Edit: Never mind, it's "James Bond Enthusiasts."
Which of course, is Vic.
Is that someone commenting on the Facebook JB music group?
That's what I assumed. I don't know, maybe I'm projecting, haha. But I don't think so.
It was recorded in an apartment. No orchestra, going by Flick's words (not to mention fitting one in an apartment doesn't seem logical). That would explain the necessity to add an orchestra post-recording, if they decided they wanted one. It's possible that the synth one was temporary.
As usual, this is confirmation of nothing, it's just some food for thought.