It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
^ Back to Top
The MI6 Community is unofficial and in no way associated or linked with EON Productions, MGM, Sony Pictures, Activision or Ian Fleming Publications. Any views expressed on this website are of the individual members and do not necessarily reflect those of the Community owners. Any video or images displayed in topics on MI6 Community are embedded by users from third party sites and as such MI6 Community and its owners take no responsibility for this material.
James Bond News • James Bond Articles • James Bond Magazine
Comments
That's why I said if in my original post. I didn't know because I didn't watch the whole thing. I just saw them cut from them laughing. It was to try and attempt to give an explanation as to why he may have said that. If you read my prior posts you would know I don't defend Smith's actions at all and Rock didn't deserve such a disproportionate response.
Rock's still a crap comedian for going for the low hanging fruit, but carry on.
I had an interesting debate about this with my girlfriend last night. If all these secret details of their life came out via hacking or paparazzi snooping or whatever, I'd take pity on them and feel bad for their situation. But you really don't get to say something like that when you go on your own podcast or take every opportunity to share the most intimate, sordid, personal details of your life with the world. It's one or the other.
I guess it's all a bit moot though when the joke had absolutely nothing to do with such private details and is merely a hair loss joke (something that Will not only laughed at but is something that Jada has been on record about, in terms of not caring/accepting it/not being bothered by comments/etc.)
Oh Chris would have gone there but if you watch closely he holds himself back after Will tells him for the second time to keep his wife's name out of his mouth. As for if it was Gervais, if Smith did hit him, which I doubt, Gervais would have really gone in with the jokes.
Just because something is well publicized doesn’t mean everyone has come across it. I didn’t even know of her hair issue until that night.
Not only that, but if he had come across it, as mentioned by Creasy47, he'd have come across a woman who has extensively documented her "struggle" in public and "has to laugh about it".
And it's hair loss.
It makes me admire celebrities like Sean Connery who had zero sensitivity over his hair loss. Tom Mankiewicz relayed a story about how around of the time if DAF production he and Connery were at some event among the audience. When Connery was called to the stage, he took off that toupee he wore for DAF and walked up to the stage.
As someone who’s recently started the process of hair loss, I find that immensely refreshing and encouraging, especially given how Hollywood usually forces their stars to wear toupees to keep up a certain image. Connery didn’t give a toss. He wasn’t against it depending on a role like Bond, but he made no fuss either way.
As I said, me neither, but I'm not the guy researching all the stars to write jokes about them. I'm going to bet that Rock probably knew more of the films up for nomination than I did too.
But if he actually didn't know about it, he may well have been laughing about a woman with cancer. I'm going to bet he didn't take that risk.
Looking at her face, I don't think she found it funny.
I don't really get why people are defending the joke. I think comedians should feel they can joke about anything, but that doesn't automatically mean that everyone should think all jokes are great just because they're free to do it.
It's wrong not to laugh at a woman suffering hair loss due to an illness apparently, and then simultaneously apparently anyone finding the whole thing rather funny is also wrong: so are we supposed to have senses of humour or not? I think it's a dud joke which was made more entertaining. There have certainly been many memes about it which I've found much funnier than Rock's gag :)
Yes indeed, it's a skill he doesn't seem to have.
Well, I would say we should have a sense of humor about jokes, but not about violence. But I come from an apparently brief window in history where that was a common belief!
Incidentally, my quote about how Jada "has to laugh about it" is her talking about it in her extensive documentation of it, a bit before proudly showing her shaved head.
Well, nobody has said this. People have suggested it's not wrong to say that one attractive woman with a shaved head looks like another attractive woman with a shaved head. But nobody I've seen has said it's wrong not to laugh.
And "hair loss due to an illness" is pretty much a tautology. The illness causes nothing but hair loss.
I don't see why people think this was an attempted roast. He made a joke a few years ago about her that was more in that vein, and it was quite good.
I would say check out the memes, they're pretty funny.
To me, some guy giving another guy a light slap because he insulted his missus is pretty much the oldest thing going (not that I've ever done it myself). I would imagine comedians in various clubs about 50 years ago saw it as an occupational hazard :)
It wasn't meant as a complement, come on. And you've said it's a "fashion category you can make fun of" etc.
It's a crappy, mean joke that a guy overreacted to. I think both of them messed up.
Let's not pick on grammar, it's a messageboard. I'll probably make a spelling error too, soon.
And of course it wasn't a compliment. But what's the joke? He's saying she looks like Demi Moore in GI Jane. Because they both have shaved heads. That's it. Does Jada not know her head is shaved? There are multiple Instagram videos about it she could watch!
Not only that, but again, Will clearly found the joke funny and Jada herself has professed that she doesn't at all care what people think. So how'd these thoughts and actions translate to violence in just a few seconds? Bizarre.
That doesn't mean she should be fine about it, it's up to her.
Tell these guys that it's not that bad:
https://www.alopecia.org.uk/blog/responding-to-the-events-from-the-2022-oscars
It's shaved because of a medical condition which is often upsetting for people; that would be why she's using her fame to try and normalise it on Instagram etc.
I'm not sure why we're getting into the idea that the condition is nothing anyone should be upset about and should just take jokes at their own expense, and should never talk about and just keep quiet. Of everyone involved, Ms Pinkett Smith really is the one who did nothing wrong.
Right, I'm sure folks are getting very bored of reading this so I'll leave it there. Thanks for the interesting chat, Prof Joe.
George is often forgotten. It's an outrage indeed.
It always is and always will be an outrage.
Mate if it wasn’t for our drastically different opinions on Mission Impossible then I’d genuinely be wondering if you were my long lost clone at times, completely agree. This gave me a laugh earlier
https://amp.theguardian.com/media/commentisfree/2022/mar/29/will-smiths-oscars-slap-created-a-storm-of-increasingly-irrelevant-internet-hot-takes
Timothy Dalton should have presented because he help start darker, but human hero characters in modern blockbuster movies. He (like Michael Keaton as Batman) let cinema know it was time to change. An actor too respect, plus he does comedy well (Mr. Pricklepants). He and Lazenby should have presented then the people they got, as they had nothing to do with James Bond.
I’m happy for that because OHMSS proves that an art house style can work for a blockbuster adventure movie. The one other time that this style full-on worked for Bond was Skyfall.
This is always appreciated too. I've seen some Craig retrospective videos that omit QoS almost entirely.
Agreed.I don’t see what was so offensive.Rock was comparing Jada to a strong independent woman like G.I Jane.If anything,the joke seemed well intentioned and very light.He even said “ Jada,love ya “.
And as many have said,Will found it funny at first,just because the woman who has regularly humiliated him in public gave him a bad look was no excuse to do what he did.
And it’s so ironic that he seems ok with other guys drilling his wife,but not one comedian making a joke about her shaved head.
That's what I gathered from it. The joke didn't appear to be about hair loss, but about a harmless comparison with a film character.
Now, I'm not Chris Rock, so I don't know if he knew about her hair loss, but it's certainly plausible that he didn't. I think that makes a big difference. Also, the people at the Oscars tend to sport extravagant looks and clothes, so one wouldn't necessarily associate Jada Pinkett-Smith's short hair with hair loss.
At any rate, I don't think that choosing to deliver that particular joke required a prior investigation on the woman. At most, if she found the joke annoying because it's a sensitive issue for her, Rock could have said he was sorry to bother her.
If Will Smith wasn't sure of malicious intent, I think he should have let the moment pass and address the issue with Rock at a later point. And if he was sure it was a mean-spirited comment, he should have done the same. Reacting the way he did cast a bad light on him and detracted and distracted from the purpose of the ceremony, even from the award he himself got. Also, him hitting Rock seemed disproportionate.
Yes, all things considered, it's fair to keep this in mind.
---
That Bond montage at the Oscars was fantastic. I loved how they showed a gunbarrel sequence for each actor. And Lazenby got decent screentime.
In celebration of the 60th anniversary of the James Bond film franchise, a Land Rover Defender 90 with a unique 007 livery made a winning one-off appearance in the Defender Bowler Challenge in Dolgellau, Wales, driven by Bond stunt driver and rally champion Mark Higgins.
https://www.007.com/007-land-rover-wins-rally/