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DAF is also quite bad. What could’ve been a great tale of loss and revenge turned into elephants on slot machines and Blofeld in drag.
Diamonds for me too. People say the funny script saves it, but I find it a total snoozefest.
DAF is my guilty pleasure. Many fans like MR for the same reason. For me, the difference between DAF and MR is that DAF never takes itself seriously, whereas in MR there are moments (Corinne's death, for instance) in which Lewis Gilbert seems to be making a serious film. It never worked for me, and in the end, MR is truly distasteful.
I get the sense that almost everyone involved in making DAF was high on something. The film is so awful, from an actor's mouth not coming close to saying the words coming out: "Cai...Cai...Cairo!" to a man (or woman) in a gorilla suit chasing people at Circus Circus. Almost every scene I find myself thinking "WTF?" It's glorious.
It’s not meant to be a tale of loss and revenge. That would be like admonishing TSWLM for being a poor adaptation of the novel.
I get that. If there was ever a poll for "which Bond film should be a musical?" I think DAF would come out on top. It's one dance number and/or fourth wall break away from exactly that.
I completely agree with your MR observation, but that's not a favourite of mine either so there's a bias there on my part. I think OP is pretty much the perfect Roger film for balancing all of those elements that MR awkwardly jumbles together.
I feel the same about TND. Different strokes, etc.
Luckily, as an 11 year old I was spared of that.
Yeah but immediately after OHMSS, that was quite a mistake not to make DAF exactly that. Even if a lot of that is down to Lazenby leaving, that doesn’t mean DAF didn’t drop the ball.
- Stockholm syndrome... Young, impressionable moviegoer. Sheltered. Inexperienced in films. Powerful filmmakers skilled in torture and manipulation. Something snaps in the victim's mind. The moviegoer falls in love with an awful film.
- How dare you... how dare you?! That piece of crap, TND? It disgusts me. You disgust me.
Just kidding, I love TND. And TWINE. And in fact most of the EON Bond films. I consider myself lucky all in all. Even if (gasp) my taste might suck!
Very funny sarcasm or moronic sincerity? You can only choose one.
"I only need one."
Sorry, I'm in a "quotey" mood today it seems.
I'm weak.
It was not a tough decision to switch off the film during the car chase. The sad thing was that it gave me a bad impression of Bond films, turning me off from wanting to see other Bond films for years
I should have rented GOLDENEYE.
See this is where Bond gets interesting for me. Everyone's fairly unanimous in their praise for the top tier entries but everyone has such different reactions to everything considered mid-tier and lower. You consider MR a blast but I find it an awkward mishmash, and we're flipped where TND is concerned. I love the car chase, and consider its only dull note the big smile Bond gives after he's just seen his ex-girlfriend's corpse minutes beforehand. They commit similar crimes in terms of tone but TND overall is more consistent and has better action.
Most interestingly, it was my first Bond film in the cinema when I was a kid - only aged 5 - but I only came to really love it the way I do in the last decade. I didn't actually love it at the time or even in the five years afterwards. I was more interested in watching GoldenEye again or Jurassic Park.
Which is why those funny statements always make me giggle as it's a reflection of how black and white some see things.
Edit: I don't mean to derail the TWINE thread with this stuff. Sorry.
I hope to watch it in a theater some day.
I'd love to be able to watch all of Brosnan's Bond movies in the theater someday, but 2 out of 4 isn't bad. :D
The Good:
We couldn't have gotten a better farewell for Q.
Robert Carlyle is underrated as an overall actor. He did well with the material he was given.
Sophie Marceau is a high standard for female villains in James Bond in general. In movies, books and video games. Ironically, she can say that she's been in all three, herself. Like Michael Apted said, she is the true villain. She would have the one who would have lived to benefit from getting the oil for her pipeline. Plus, she used her beauty and her body to get men to fall for her. Renard was unique in this instance. Also, she was the one who truly killed her dad for profits and her mom's name. Yeah, she knew what she was doing, as a villain.
The Nintendo 64 game. The first Bond product that I got addicted to. A true successor to Goldeneye 007. It's often overlooked. And like GE007, it's better than the movie it's based on.
It takes some creative risks. It does foreshadow some of the issues and story arcs that DC's era would eventually. TWINE walked so SF in particular, (and to a degree SP and NTTD) could run. While also giving us ideas of where TD's adventures could have gone.
Pierce Brosnan always nailed Bond, no matter the material he was given. No film proves this better than TWINE.
Valentin Zukovsky has more than one scene in the movie. He came back with more of a purpose than in GE.
The bank escape and the Thames boat chase is pure Bond action. And that's a good thing.
The title sequence visuals are some of my favorites in the series.
A diverse cast of henchmen. Minor characters, but memorable.
The Bad:
M gets overused in the series starting here. She was also just as bad as the villains for not helping save Elektra from the start. Basically, the film revolves around her bad decisions. And we're supposed to view her as a good person? Please!
Denise Richards isn't to blame for her role. The writing did her no favors. She's fine as she is. Not many actresses could pull off Dr. Christmas Jones any better. Doctors can be attractive as well. She should have more writing to her character.
TWINE has an identity crisis in terms of tone and story beats. It feels like a mix of Moore cheesiness, Dalton seriousness and Craig character development. All done a bit poorly. It wants to respect Bond tradition, while trying new story ideas. It just doesn't know what it wants, in terms of writing and direction. This is why I think that Dana Stevens deserved screenwriting credit. It feels like she truly helped out.
The submarine feels too unbelievable. Namely in the drowning department. Even with all his training, there's no way Bond could stay underwater that long! It's ironically called too small scale for a Bond finale.
Some of the deleted scenes in Raymond Benson's novel should have been in the movie. Namely, that Elektra's mother's side of the family started the oil pipeline. Also, Elektra singing as she dies. These could have made her more sympathetic, in a way, more of a tragic figure.
So in conclusion:
I still rank TWINE in my upper half of Bond movies. I'm biased as it was the first Bond I saw fully. As Carte Blanche was my first Bond novel I see a few similarities between the two. A female villain, who would arguably get to see the end result of their plan. A duo of villains. A long time character says goodbye (Q). While an old favorite returns (Mary Goodnight). Bond shares a bit of family history. Disfigured villains, Renard with Bell's Palsy, Severan Hydt with his long fingernails. There are a few more, but I'll let you decide what they are. I see the criticisms of both for fans. However, they both tried something different, and I have to give them both credit for that. So while not perfect, TWINE is an enjoyable Bond adventure that blends tradition and creative risks in one. As an artist, TWINE is the ultimate lesson in turning something old into new. Lessons have been learned at EON, because of the movie, it seems. My dad said that he said TWINE was one of his least favorite Bond movies. I see now that his viewpoints were not just a generational thing. He was just telling the truth. For that, I will be forever grateful.