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The December Man
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Is this leading up to a retroactive trilogy?
It’s kind of a shame that Kevin Kline never appeared in a Bond movie.
https://www.newsweek.com/pierce-brosnan-robert-kennedy-jr-support-sparks-fury-fans-1829066
I wouldn't jump to conclusions, the fact that he met him doesn't mean he supports him.
Yeah this seems a rather far-fetched conclusion to automatically jump to.
Also I don't get this slight fascination some Americans have with supposedly being Irish: and you're not as Irish as a guy who was actually born in Ireland to Irish parents, Rob.
Or actually since this is the MI6 Community, I guess I don't want to know.
So, are you saying that Pierce (in real life) is an opposite of his Bond? So, more of a Bond villain?
I don't think it's limited to Americans and the Irish. I guess there's some kind of perceived romance to being descended from a culture with a rich history and tradition that dates back many centuries. I'm pretty sure I'm as Irish as Robert Kennedy (not that I would ever claim to be).
I understand some will disagree, but posting a link like this under an appreciation thread for Brosnan, while jumping to conclusions like calling Pierce an “anti-vaxxer” is baiting/trolling at its finest, and I won’t take that bait. I suggest others should do the same.
Yes, I expect nothing from this really, actually, the same thing happened to the Lazenby appreciation thread a long time ago, that article about that forum talk.
Yes I remember that happening. I suppose that’s the nature of a website like this at the end of the day, but still I feel like it’s pretty easy to tell when someone is trying to stir up a bit of controversy.
For pete’s sake, are we all this dumb?
@007ClassicBondFan and @SIS_HQ are absolutely right. This is an appreciation thread. If one thing, we should be scorning articles like this.
Did Pierce himself commented on the picture? Did he publicly endorse the man? He does have social media. So did he?
And he’s not the brightest movie actor around? Please. Who is? People who play dress up for a living aren’t meant to be the brightest, they are pretenders, entertainers,… Stars.
Do I care about Connery’s morals? lazenby’s egotism? Moore’s … well, Moore is probably perfect. Dalton’s affairs, Craig’s brutish tales of bar bralls and hooliganism?
I enjoy their work. Their thespian personas. Who they endorse or not, who they shag or what they do in their private lives shouldn’t concern me.
Even if they should be considered innocent on all accounts before being proven guilty.
“Pierce isn’t the brightest movie actor around”… Please… Is he a scientologist? Does he comment on placenta recipes? Does he endorse women slapping? Is he know for any abuse or foul play? Has anyone ever said he was dumb? A bigot? A flat earther? An NRA supporter? The man has had more loss and suffering then most (and I don't even care to know the details on that regard), and has a successful career and the respect of everyone he's worked with. Why oh why, would someone find him "not the brightest movie actor around?".
In an appreciation thread, no less.
Well, at least he's "endearing". That poor man.
Bingo!
Not really; these threads are about the actors: the title isn't to be taken literally- unless you want someone to open a 'Pierce Brosnan Critcism Thread'. As SIS mentioned the Lazenby thread, you'll see the Admin of this forum criticising George in that same thread. The rest of the title includes 'his life, his career', and this certainly comes under that banner.
Brosnan's made a boo-boo here in a lot of peoples' eyes by endorsing this guy: the title of a thread on a forum isn't really a reason not to mention it.
Only you don’t know the reasons why Brosnan was there to begin with, just like I don’t. RFK Jr is very much into Climate issues, just like Pierce is. That could’ve been the reason why he chose to show up. I doubt a photo of the two of them together seriously suggests that Pierce is an anti-vaxxer. That’s just childish thinking outright.
Besides, even if Pierce was seriously “anti-vax”, why does that impact people in this thread? That’s his right, his choice, and all you’re allowed to do is disagree, make petty comments even. That isn’t stopping you all from getting vaccinated. I’ve never understood that line of thinking at all, and I’m somebody who has to sign people up to get vaccinated every goddamn 10 minutes. Trust me, plenty of people are getting vaccinated lol. One person choosing not to do so is not a good reason for everyone to act like they’re morally superior.
This is exactly what I was talking earlier when certain members come in posting garbage articles, or stating certain things to get a reaction out of people and cause some endless spiral/debate, and I’m sick of it. I’m coming to this website to discuss James Bond with like-minded fans. I’m not coming here to constantly see people engaging in arguments over stuff that at the end of the day has ZERO impact on us personally.
I’m just tired of it, it’s been happening a lot on this website lately in a multitude of different forums, and I just don’t find it fun at all.
Sure, I agree that it doesn't mean he's an anti-vaxxer. But he is supporting someone who is by being at his Presidential campaign fundraiser. Brosnan is a global star: if you're a star and you turn up to something like that and get photographed there, you're endorsing it. It's dangerous territory.
I suspect you're probably right about the climate issues situation, but he's not really thought it through enough if that is the case.
And I, and some others, are disagreeing with his choice. We have the right and are allowed to, as you say.
Not sure what you mean by 'petty comments'.
Again, not sure what you mean by this. No-one is saying that Brosnan is stopping them from getting vaccinated.
Me too, that's why I tend to ignore posts from such people who are clearly just posting to try and start arguments.
But I don't think this is a garbage article: the event in question appears to have happened and Brosnan has opened himself up to some criticism for it.
There is a nuanced discussion to be had here sure. If Brosnan was there purely to support RFK on his Climate Activism, then yes it was poorly thought of him not to take into account RFK’s views on Vaccinations, which I disagree with to an extent, but again that’s a more nuanced discussion that I’m not willing to have.
And when I say petty comments, I’m referring to the member who shared the article in the first place saying “Looks like Pierce is an anti-vaxxer”, what else is that beyond somebody clearly acting like a troll and looking to get a rise out of people. It’s the definition of “petty” at its finest. Also, I didn’t say Pierce or RFK was stopping anybody from being vaccinated, I was suggesting that plenty of people are already getting the shots to where the need for people to act as if they are better than anyone else purely on the basis that they chose to get a shot is completely ridiculous. We have no idea the reasoning one has behind their decision, so who are we to judge?
I think at the end of the day, I think the article is completely garbage. This was clearly a journalist looking for easy clicks, and decided this topic would be worth exploiting as such. I’m sure they also knew damn well the kind of reaction this would get. It’s garbage journalism, and clearly it worked because it has everyone talking/arguing about it.
I’d really rather stop talking about this like I said earlier. I’ve said my two cents on the subject already, and it’s not worth continuing to loop around this debate that again has zero impact on any of our lives.
Well, that's a shame you're not willing to have a nuanced discussion, but it doesn't mean that nobody else can.
Well, fair enough. Like I say, I don't agree with that original comment, but regardless he has chosen to endorse someone who holds those views and I don't think it's intrinsically wrong to disagree with him on that just because he used to play a spy in some movies we like.
I would say that you agreed with a post which was clearly attempting to get a rise out of people (me) too.
Well, this is the discussion you said you didn't want to have, and indeed I don't think this forum is the place for it, but the issue here is that RFK has engaged in misinformation, and that can harm people. Not just about Covid jabs, but about childhood immunisation for many different illnesses, all claims which have been disproven. To endorse his message is unwise, I would say.
I don't entirely agree there. Sure, it is a slightly easy 'some people on Twitter say some stuff' story, but clearly the event in question happened and has been reported elsewhere, so really the quality of one particular article doesn't have a bearing on us discussing the actual event.
You can stop of course, but that doesn't mean that anyone else has to.
Personally I think when big celebs endorse politicians who spout untruths about these sorts of things it can impact lives, because some people look up to these celebs and are influenced by them. I don't want to get any further into the politics of it as we can't here, but I'd say that Brosnan has made a poor decision in this case. That's all I have to really say about it, so I'm not really sure what all this talk of thread titles has to do with anything. We're perfectly allowed to criticise actors on this board.
Like I said, I’m done having this debate. I don’t think it’s a shame on me at all. If you want to have this discussion then do it with someone else, not me because quite frankly that isn’t my problem. I’m confident enough in my own knowledge to not continue going in loops with you about this subject. Anyone else can feel free, this is just wasting my time at this point.
Well that's fine, like we already said, you don't have to continue. I certainly didn't say there's any shame 'on you' for that. I feel like you're angry but I'm not really sure what about, to be honest.
There's not really much to debate anyway: he made a bad choice in some people's eyes and they're disappointed in him. That's pretty much the end of the story.
I’m tired of seeing certain members engage in behavior like this, so yeah I’m getting pretty irritated. This isn’t towards you, but in general across the website. It’s like every single day someone is getting in a huge argument over nothing on here.