Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    Would you want less action than Skyfall had? Because it didn't have very much.

    Good question, @mtm. I guess SF doesn't really qualify as a big action Bond. Perhaps that is also part of the reason why the film was so well received?
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Would you want less action than Skyfall had? Because it didn't have very much.

    Good question, @mtm. I guess SF doesn't really qualify as a big action Bond. Perhaps that is also part of the reason why the film was so well received?

    Personally I enjoy it because there is always a scene I want to see coming up. If I turn on the tv and it's on I'll end up watching it through to the end. I can't tell you exactly why, though - obviously filmmakers always try to make each scene interesting, but it doesn't always work on the majority of viewers. The great Casablanca has little action, but always grabs me when it's on and doesn't let go. Again, it's difficult to say why, I've seen lots of films which should be great but somehow just fail to work. I'm sure filmmakers sweat over just these questions.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah there's definitely an alchemy to making great films. I know what you mean about Skyfall: for me it just has a great flavour to it. Every scene has wonderful direction, a great script, top acting, beautiful imagery and, yes, for me it has a wonderfully atmospheric score.
    And I kind of think that's what a Bond film should be. It is style over substance: John Barry, Ken Adam, Sean Connery etc. - all big movie names who were good enough to win Oscars, all in the middle of a slightly silly adventure plot about spies. I want Bond to be a glossy expensive fashion magazine, not a cheap newspaper. So the idea of a stripped-back Bond, all in one country with no money spent on it etc. seems contrary to the point of the thing to me.
    Someone above sniffily said that we were 'distracted' by the cinematography of Skyfall to how bad a film it actually is, but I'd say it's all the surface stuff that is half of the point of the thing.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah there's definitely an alchemy to making great films. I know what you mean about Skyfall: for me it just has a great flavour to it. Every scene has wonderful direction, a great script, top acting, beautiful imagery and, yes, for me it has a wonderfully atmospheric score.
    And I kind of think that's what a Bond film should be. It is style over substance: John Barry, Ken Adam, Sean Connery etc. - all big movie names who were good enough to win Oscars, all in the middle of a slightly silly adventure plot about spies. I want Bond to be a glossy expensive fashion magazine, not a cheap newspaper. So the idea of a stripped-back Bond, all in one country with no money spent on it etc. seems contrary to the point of the thing to me.
    Someone above sniffily said that we were 'distracted' by the cinematography of Skyfall to how bad a film it actually is, but I'd say it's all the surface stuff that is half of the point of the thing.

    I agree. As Sir Roger Moore said about Skyfall, it proved Bond would survive another 50 years. I agree.
  • CrabKey wrote: »
    As one of my favorite Bond films, CR ends with a bit of a disappointment. Eva Green is a spectacular Vesper, yet the film's climax seems to betray her. She becomes an appendage to a collapsing house. As has been pointed out the elevator drowning scene feels at odds with what we've seen previously. I don't feel the big set piece was necessary. Her body laid out like a dead fish seems less sad than weird. Over the years screenplays have sometimes improved some of Fleming's scenes. But how we get from betrayal and suicide to a collapsing house is a puzzler.



    Yes its my biggest gripe with CR too. The rest of the film they got pretty much spot on, and it really felt like the novel in parts, but the ending climax let's it down (apart from the Mr. White finale showdown which is superb).

    I would have much preferred an ending more closely tied to the book, even though it isn't a spectacular action fest. If P&W had gone this way originally as members here have indicated, then I take back everything I've said about them.

    And yes, I much prefer CR to SF. The action is far harder, more brutal. From SF onwards we started getting too much dark orange lighting and pretentious low whispered dialogue (looking at you Moneypenny, shaving Bond), an irritating trait which ran throughout Craig's final 3 films.
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    I prefer the novel's ending as well. The sinking house climax, TBH isn't my favorite.
    I'd like the next film to have about the same level of action as SKYFALL.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    I think it's likely the next film will have a high action quotient to showcase the new (young) Bond, particularly if the new guy is Sope and his athleticism is part of what landed him the role. I'd expect some serious emotional scenes, too, of course - again, they're going to want to show their new actor has real dramatic chops, same as Craig.
  • If Tom Hardy becomes the next James Bond, he still has it in him to do a couple of movies.

    He's worked with Christopher Nolan very well.

    He's worked with Daniel Craig. In the film Layer Cake, his character is last seen mourning Daniel Craig's character. And if you look at a lot of Craig's Bond movies, he's paid respect to his previous films such as Layer Cake by having many including Ben Wishaw cast in 007 films.

    It will be a very metaphorically solacing to have Tom Hardy hold up the series as it continues with Bond 26. Especially if Christopher Nolan wants to direct two of them. All he needs is his own actor like Tom Hardy who has the proof of potential to make it credible and work well. That way there is more focus on the quality of the story/film/character.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    The writers strike is ending… And…

    B26 is in “development” on imdbpro.

    In development, isn’t the same as preproduction.

    Development is when all the financing comes in, people start getting paid to write scripts, attachments are made (director), auditions can be arranged and a small crew can can be paid….

    I’d assume we are all in for the trickling of real news from EoN in short order.

    EDIT: the studios hafta hammer out something with the actors, but the optimism is it will follow shortly.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    peter wrote: »
    The writers strike is ending…

    It is? I'm glad to hear that.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Love Tom Hardy but he's too old at this point.
  • As Bond 26 probably won't be out till 2030 or so the way EON are currently progressing, I'm guessing the likely candidate is someone we haven't heard much of yet
  • @peter Really great news! I am crossing my fingers that we will get some substantial Bond 26 news this year.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Give me Cavill and Nolan on a 3 picture deal
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Just an experiment:

    A Stephen Soderbergh and Chris (or maybe his brother Luke) Hemsworth on a 3 picture deal (to complete the lineup):
    Lazenby 1
    Dalton 2
    (Hemsworth 3)
    Brosnan 4
    Craig 5
    Connery 6
    Moore 7
  • As a Thai woman this be very good choice for new James Bond. Chris Hemsworth many good looking, strong and being good at action film.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    As a Thai woman this be very good choice for new James Bond. Chris Hemsworth many good looking, strong and being good at action film.

    Yes, and not just that, he's the right age (now), and not too iconic.

    He could also do drama, humor, gritty, I mean the genre of his filmography are complex, so not just looks, he's also a complex actor.
  • SIS_HQ wrote: »
    As a Thai woman this be very good choice for new James Bond. Chris Hemsworth many good looking, strong and being good at action film.

    Yes, and not just that, he's the right age (now), and not too iconic.

    I think Hemsworth could be a decent Bond if given the chance, but I do think him playing Thor for all those years kind of puts him out of this race. Same for Henry Cavil, at this point they’re too well known.

    Personally I want a left field choice.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    It depends as always in which direction EON want to take Bond in next.
    Chris Hemsworth ticks a lot of boxes for being James Bond. But is he the right man for the job?
    If they go for a three picture deal with a film every two to three years then it could work I suppose.
    Is he not a little bit too beefcake for Bond though?
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    He looks a little too surfer dude for the role, but I can also see a bit of Brosnan in his face. The Bond actor has to be from the UK though, right? Who better than a Brit to keep the British end up?
  • edited September 2023 Posts: 12,837
    mtm wrote: »
    Someone above sniffily said that we were 'distracted' by the cinematography of Skyfall to how bad a film it actually is, but I'd say it's all the surface stuff that is half of the point of the thing.

    Yeah if you were “distracted” enough by the acting, dialogue, cinematography, etc to get swept up in the film despite the ropey plot then I think it’s done its job as a blockbuster. And at the end of the day that’s what Skyfall still is.

    I think the praise for it made a lot of people, myself included (I loved it, watched it too many times and decided it was overrated, then didn’t watch it for a while and found myself loving it again), expect something more than a blockbuster. But I don’t think the critics were tricking us by pretending it was anything more. It’s still a silly heightened reality spy film. It got praised the way it did because it’s a very, very well made one, that used the usual blockbuster logic and tropes to explore some themes Bond hadn’t before.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Popular films tend to get more targeted by its most vocal critics, as if to be contrarians just because they don’t appreciate it on the same level as others. This happened with GOLDFINGER as well.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Overhype tends to put expectations too high and bring out the contrarian in people. When I first watched Skyfall I thoroughly enjoyed it, but when I was asked by someone if it was the best Bond film like the papers were saying, I laughed and said 'no'. Having watched it many times since I do think it is one of my favourite Bond films, even though it has some terrible plot-holes.

    I think I went through a similar thing with Goldeneye and Casino Royale. I rarely think films live up to high expectations, and it's probably telling that the film I was most blown away by in the cinema in my adult years was L.A. Confidential, a film I had little interest in seeing but was dragged to by a friend; it's never had the same impact on me on the small-screen, though.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I think, ten years on, Skyfall does remain pretty high up my list of best Bonds; as does Casino. I think both are pretty solid candidates for 'best Bond film'.
    QoS lingers right towards the bottom however, so it's not just because I like the new ones! :)
  • peter wrote: »
    I’d assume we are all in for the trickling of real news from EoN in short order.
    Which news do you think we will hear first? Do they usually officially announce the names of the script writers? Or will we probably hear the name of the director first?

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    Just to hear from them that things are moving would be nice, I suppose.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Where does Bond go after Craig? I'd rather have another QOS than another SF. Except for the title song, obvs. I realise there's only seven of us who feel like this, though, so...
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Kojak007 wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    I’d assume we are all in for the trickling of real news from EoN in short order.
    Which news do you think we will hear first? Do they usually officially announce the names of the script writers? Or will we probably hear the name of the director first?

    With NTTD, we found out in August 2017, the script was to be written by Purvis and Wade and they announced the official release date for November 2019. This was about a week before Craig announced his return.

    No idea how they'll do it this time round. Director first presumably?
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    Why if you look for Bond 26 on imdb you'd find "Bullets for Winter"?
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Scriptwriter first, director is going to be hired if there's a script that would be the framework or template for a screen test.
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