Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Regardless of what happens going forward, there is no reason that B26 cannot come out in 2025. It leaves all of 2024 for the writing and decision processes. Casting and announcement can be late 2024 and filming begins early 2025 with a November 2025 release.
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    I suppose this could well be a rumour based on fact if that makes sense. Remember, Bond films are a long and collaborative process and many ideas are spitballed during the outline stage. Just look at the number of strange ideas that didn’t make it into previous films - Blofeld getting attacked/killed by a bunch of white cats in DAF, Goldfinger’s twin brother cropping up a few times etc.

    Perhaps this is an even earlier version of that - Nolan’s been invited to a meeting and ideas have been discussed. Maybe this was one of his ideas but it was a ‘off the top of his head’ note and won’t happen in practice. As has been mentioned it would inflate the budget for sure.

    Honestly, if that were the case it would make me a bit nervous about Nolan’s involvement, indeed if he is. While Bond should always adapt/play around with its ideas/formula there are certain fundamentals that the film series should stick with. Setting each film in the present is one. I also think it’d show Nolan isn’t the same director he was during his Batman Begins years. Part of the challenge - even the fun - of adapting characters like Bond and Batman are that they can be updated, adapted and brought into the present. Each director and actor brings something different to each film. It’s an interplay between that freshness, the original source material, and what modern audiences want to see. That’s why it’s such an interesting series, and it’s a major reason why it’s survived so long. I don’t particularly want a Nolan in the ‘old man’ years of his career to come along and break this precedent, especially when I suspect the film won’t be all that fun.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Praying if the Chris Nolan rumours are true, he brings his brother with him
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    If Nolan is going to adapt the Fleming novels faithfully, I must insist that we see Bond as Goldfinger's secretary.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Everyone agrees there are certain fundamentals which should not be discarded, it's just that fandom can't agree what they are.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited September 2023 Posts: 3,800
    echo wrote: »
    If Nolan is going to adapt the Fleming novels faithfully, I must insist that we see Bond as Goldfinger's secretary.

    I actually liked that part, pure espionage thriller with Bond being a real spy, there's a tension and thrill to it, there's Bond using the opportunity as being Goldfinger's secretary while getting some information regarding Goldfinger's plan and his accomplices, and he's sending those reports to the CIA as to call a backup, so while Bond was just acting and pretending, the CIA was already gearing up without of Goldfinger's knowledge.

    It's a tight scene where I've felt the tension while reading it (still not knowing at the time what would happen), and it all came crashing down altogether in the climax when Goldfinger was planning his escape, I've felt sad when Tilly was also killed (it's another tense scene, thinking if Bond could save her, and it's keeping me in my seat, but she's killed by Oddjob before she could get to Pussy Galore, I'm sad, her death in the book was much more impactful than in the film).

    I thought it's much better than what we've got in the film (I know it's iconic), but that part in the book was more realistic.

    I'd liked to see it being adapted in the other film, in modern times, if done right, then I must bow myself to EON for that success.
  • I don’t know, all this period piece stuff seems a bit counterintuitive to what EON typically does. As big a name Nolan might be, I don’t think EON will go that route ultimately.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    So with the writer's strike done, but the actors still ongoing, what do we think timeline wise? Obviously the big marker of a recognizable limited company not having been incorporated yet is still kind of concerning, but they can resume talks with writers and writer-directors now or even just finish up on any writing with P&W, if that's the way they want to go.
    Casting is obviously still up in the air, due to the SAG-AFTRA strike, but I've always assumed that comes after at least an agreed upon treatment and a director decision anyway.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited September 2023 Posts: 3,154
    'Bond is always a contemporary character', as MGW said. Doesn't mean I wouldn't love that authentic black and white adaptation of MR but, realistically, the films'll continue to be set whenever they're made. Given the expense involved, are one-offs or pet projects at all feasible, no matter who the director is?
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    That's right, it would be a more rewarding challenge to show Bond doing his thing in the modern era, and as we've seen in the news even within the past year, espionage is still very much relevant; as rampant as ever - there's no shortage of inspiration out there for a modern Bond spy thriller.
  • I don’t know, all this period piece stuff seems a bit counterintuitive to what EON typically does. As big a name Nolan might be, I don’t think EON will go that route ultimately.

    Not sure where the 1950's Bond idea came from, but I LOVE it. I have only just finished the last book in Anthony Horowitz's marvellous Fleming "continuations", and he truly captured the era - the time of spies! And having seen Oppenheimer on the big screen, Nolan would make a 50's set Bond movie truly jaw dropping. Count me in.
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    Having lived through the fifties...........it was a drab place for the most part. Hope they don't go back there.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited September 2023 Posts: 4,692
    SonofSean wrote: »
    I don’t know, all this period piece stuff seems a bit counterintuitive to what EON typically does. As big a name Nolan might be, I don’t think EON will go that route ultimately.

    Not sure where the 1950's Bond idea came from, but I LOVE it. I have only just finished the last book in Anthony Horowitz's marvellous Fleming "continuations", and he truly captured the era - the time of spies! And having seen Oppenheimer on the big screen, Nolan would make a 50's set Bond movie truly jaw dropping. Count me in.

    I think Anthony Horowitz writing either TM or in particular FAAD, or an original with Nolan writing or directing holds some potential. EON should seriously look at Horowitz, for a few ideas for the future.
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Praying if the Chris Nolan rumours are true, he brings his brother with him

    I agree, Jonathan Nolan is the better writer.
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    If Nolan is going to adapt the Fleming novels faithfully, I must insist that we see Bond as Goldfinger's secretary.

    I actually liked that part, pure espionage thriller with Bond being a real spy, there's a tension and thrill to it, there's Bond using the opportunity as being Goldfinger's secretary while getting some information regarding Goldfinger's plan and his accomplices, and he's sending those reports to the CIA as to call a backup, so while Bond was just acting and pretending, the CIA was already gearing up without of Goldfinger's knowledge.

    It's a tight scene where I've felt the tension while reading it (still not knowing at the time what would happen), and it all came crashing down altogether in the climax when Goldfinger was planning his escape, I've felt sad when Tilly was also killed (it's another tense scene, thinking if Bond could save her, and it's keeping me in my seat, but she's killed by Oddjob before she could get to Pussy Galore, I'm sad, her death in the book was much more impactful than in the film).

    I thought it's much better than what we've got in the film (I know it's iconic), but that part in the book was more realistic.

    I'd liked to see it being adapted in the other film, in modern times, if done right, then I must bow myself to EON for that success.

    I'd go for that. I could see Nolan adapting Goldfinger as a villain again, for sure Blofeld. I could also see a story (not necessarily for film) where Bond and Leiter have to stop them together. Auric Enterprises vs SPECTRE could have a unique possibly, when set in modern day.
  • It was the DB2 in existence back then.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    delfloria wrote: »
    Having lived through the fifties...........it was a drab place for the most part. Hope they don't go back there.

    They’re not going to.

    The expense to do period pieces are extraordinary; the returns aren’t great (and remember, Oppenheimer is an outlier, not a formula).

    And if anyone thinks that Bond’s death in NTTD would confuse audiences, well, placing him back in the 50s and 60s would surely do more damage than anything that came out of the last film.

    This is not a globally appealing concept; only die hard Bond fans would like this.

    It’s certainly not a commercial concept, and no matter how much $$$ Amazon rolls in, we’ve seen from these strikes how greedy they are, and it’s ALWAYS about the bottom line. Always!!

    One of the hardest things to pitch are period pieces. Why? A lot of work for little return.

    This is a very suspect post people have been reading. This guy has a “friend” working on B26? If that was the case, I’d guarantee that there are 6-7 people working on B26 at the moment (and that’s IF they’re in these early stages):

    Barbara Broccoli
    Michael Wilson
    Gregg Wilson
    Casting directors Debbie McWilliams and her daughter, and;
    Purvis and Wade.

    EoN keeps things tight, and the circle of those working right now would be small and tight. So this “friend” would easily be sussed out. But then again, I’m going to bet there is no “friend”.

    If I’m wrong? Virtual drinks on me!!

    As for Nolan: I wouldn’t want him as a director, but I see the remarkable value (but at what expense? Broccoli and the Wilson’s make room for and share equally in the franchise with Nolan and his producing wife? Even though Cubby’s famous warning to his children has always been: don’t let anyone else screw this (Bond) up?)?

    I see the value in getting Nolan, and I can also see why they may not touch him with a ten foot pole (especially when it comes to expectations (how much is EoN REALLY looking to give up? How much control is too much for Nolan? How much is too little? If they like his idea for a Bond script, but hate his exposition and lack of action and weak female characters, will he have a hissy fit if EoN insists hiring experts on action and character to script doctor his work?).

    A lot can go right with a Nolan hiring.

    A lot could also go wrong. So wrong that two to three years of working together could feel like a prison sentence.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2023 Posts: 16,573
    To be fair, I don't think the friend is directly working on Bond; he's presumably more of a studio guy and has apparently given tips on other film series before which he says have generally had a high hit rate.

    I agree that I don't want a Nolan Bond at all, and yet I can perfectly see why he'd make a lot of sense to try and get from a commercial point of view.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    To be fair, I don't think the friend is directly working on Bond; he's presumably more of a studio guy

    Ah, ok, I read the post quickly and I thought his mate was working at EoN.

    But, still very suspect post about period pieces. Makes zero sense commercially for one of the biggest commercially viable properties.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah I don't see it either, and EON themselves have said they'd never do it as well.

    Whether this is true or not we may never even know: I'm sure they're thinking of lots of things which we'll never see.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited September 2023 Posts: 4,692
    007HallY wrote: »
    I suppose this could well be a rumour based on fact if that makes sense. Remember, Bond films are a long and collaborative process and many ideas are spitballed during the outline stage. Just look at the number of strange ideas that didn’t make it into previous films - Blofeld getting attacked/killed by a bunch of white cats in DAF, Goldfinger’s twin brother cropping up a few times etc.

    Proof that Richard Maibaum wasn't as great as he and his ego thought. Don't forget how many times he wanted Bond to be saved by a monkey or a chimp.

    Perhaps this is an even earlier version of that - Nolan’s been invited to a meeting and ideas have been discussed. Maybe this was one of his ideas but it was a ‘off the top of his head’ note and won’t happen in practice. As has been mentioned it would inflate the budget for sure.

    Honestly, if that were the case it would make me a bit nervous about Nolan’s involvement, indeed if he is. While Bond should always adapt/play around with its ideas/formula there are certain fundamentals that the film series should stick with. Setting each film in the present is one. I also think it’d show Nolan isn’t the same director he was during his Batman Begins years. Part of the challenge - even the fun - of adapting characters like Bond and Batman are that they can be updated, adapted and brought into the present. Each director and actor brings something different to each film. It’s an interplay between that freshness, the original source material, and what modern audiences want to see. That’s why it’s such an interesting series, and it’s a major reason why it’s survived so long. I don’t particularly want a Nolan in the ‘old man’ years of his career to come along and break this precedent, especially when I suspect the film won’t be all that fun.

    EON should keep Bond set in modern day. They've proven that they are always successful at the time that a film is set in. IFP has had a mixed bag when setting books in the past. Anthony Horowitz had a successful trilogy, while William Boyd and Sebastian Faulks were ok with using the past in their stories. Going back to the past seems like a desperate attempt, hoping for the "Glory Days" of Ian Fleming.

    There are two subplots that I would like to see adapted from recent literary stories. The entire run from Dynamite Comics' Felix Leiter. It would be a great subplot, and let Felix get some action that can tie into the main plot. Second, Felicity Willing and her food plot in Carte Blanche. She could be an interesting female villain, for a modern setting. Her plot is still a problem, in the modern era.
    Regardless of what happens going forward, there is no reason that B26 cannot come out in 2025. It leaves all of 2024 for the writing and decision processes. Casting and announcement can be late 2024 and filming begins early 2025 with a November 2025 release.

    I'm guessing 2025 or 2026 as a release date.
  • If Nolan is involved then Purvis and Wade are most certainly not working on Bond 26. And in that case you can probably scratch Debbie McWilliams off the list too. Heck, maybe you can scratch her off the list anyway considering her age.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    If Nolan is involved then Purvis and Wade are most certainly not working on Bond 26. And in that case you can probably scratch Debbie McWilliams off the list too. Heck, maybe you can scratch her off the list anyway considering her age.

    @Colonel_Venus She and her daughter have been valuable members of EoN for years, and they’re a respected duo in the industry; I don’t think she’d be disregarded and tossed to the side because of her age. She’s a legend in the business and casting is an art unto itself.
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    If Nolan is involved then Purvis and Wade are most certainly not working on Bond 26. And in that case you can probably scratch Debbie McWilliams off the list too. Heck, maybe you can scratch her off the list anyway considering her age.

    In reality you might be scratching Barbara and Michael off as well.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @mtm , you’re right about the ideas they’re likely working on and we will never know about; the most exciting time for any film project will be the first few weeks where anything is possible (before reality comes crashing in, and the “no ways” start working their way into the narrative).
  • I am not saying that maybe McWilliams will be discarded because of her age. I am saying maybe she is retiring because of her age.
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
    edited September 2023 Posts: 698
    After the last several Bond movies, I have no faith in Bab's or MGW's sensibilities in regards to this series. I have serious criticisms of Nolan, but I'd still trust his approach over theirs, regardless whether he does a period piece or another modern movie. The question is whether they'll let him do what he wants or give him the boot because they want to do more of the same.
  • @slide_99 I feel somewhat similarly. I am quite often frustrated with EON's decisions, but they do make some truly excellent decisions every once in a while that very few production companies would have the balls to make. Such as: rebooting the franchise with an adaptation of CR, hiring Craig, hiring Sam Mendes (yes, it was Craig's idea, but EON allowed it to happen).
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I do think it'll be interesting seeing how well EON attract talent in front of and behind the camera going forwards. We know Craig had a hand in some decisions, Mendes, Bardem (supposedly) and Ana De Armas.

    It'll be interesting to see if they try to keep that up or go after more unknown talents, I'd welcome a lesser known villain for Bond 26 to be honest
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    The desire some people have for a period film confuses me. Fleming didn't write the books period; the books were contemporary to when they were written, and they reflected the changing world. It's such an empty approach to make it period. It would be shooting themselves in the foot.

    Thankfully — this is all empty rumors.
  • Posts: 1,085
    slide_99 wrote: »
    After the last several Bond movies, I have no faith in Bab's or MGW's sensibilities in regards to this series. .

    After the NTTD debacle, I've never been less excited about an upcoming Bond movie. I dearly hope I'm wrong, but I suspect the next Bond movie will be even further removed from the traditional mission-based movies.


  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    I wouldn’t get too excited or deflated by the Nolan / period piece “news” that has been circulating.
    EON have yet too make any comments or given any updates. Till we hear from them, it’s all very much speculation. I’d take a big pinch of salt before I got carried away.
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