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  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited December 2023 Posts: 25,154
    George IMO is the worst on screen Batman, at best he is a passable Bruce.

    I do enjoy Batman and Robin in the same way I enjoy Die Another Day, they fall into the its so bad its good category.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    George IMO is the worst on screen Batman, at best he is a passable Bruce.

    I do enjoy Batman and Robin in the same way I enjoy Die Another Day, they fall into the its so bad its good category.

    Yes, at least they are entertaining. And they do spice things up with their formulas: Bond getting captured, the Bat Family getting screen time. And above all with B & R: no mafia references!
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    George Clooney Recalls Getting The Call To Play Batman: 'You Don't Realize You're on the Titanic'
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    George Clooney Recalls Getting The Call To Play Batman: 'You Don't Realize You're on the Titanic'

    He really needs to move forward. It's getting annoying, and his acting hasn't improved or changed much since the role.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    George Clooney Recalls Getting The Call To Play Batman: 'You Don't Realize You're on the Titanic'

    He really needs to move forward. It's getting annoying, and his acting hasn't improved or changed much since the role.

    I agree @MaxCasino . The joke is stale. It seems he brings it up any chance he gets. I dunno, maybe he's trying to be humble about it? But seriously, leave it in the past.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
    edited January 3 Posts: 7,021
    I love Batman and Robin. There hasn't been a Gotham City as visually stimulating, as sensuous, since this film. Even more than its predecessor, it's a film made in the spirit of childlike play. It pays the minimum of required attention to the more serious aspects of its story, just enough to keep the film going and make room for more colorful vistas, histrionic performances, and improbable but creative action.

    I do get the feeling Clooney talks about this film a little too much.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited January 3 Posts: 4,637
    peter wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    George Clooney Recalls Getting The Call To Play Batman: 'You Don't Realize You're on the Titanic'

    He really needs to move forward. It's getting annoying, and his acting hasn't improved or changed much since the role.

    I agree @MaxCasino . The joke is stale. It seems he brings it up any chance he gets. I dunno, maybe he's trying to be humble about it? But seriously, leave it in the past.

    Thank you, @peter for your argument with me. And @Fire_and_Ice_Returns please know I’m not criticizing you for posting the video. You’re actually helping me prove my case, George needs to move on. Our George (Lazenby) did. He doesn’t go overboard with his one-time Bond jokes.
    mattjoes wrote: »
    I love Batman and Robin. There hasn't been a Gotham City as visually stimulating, as sensuous, since this film. Even more than its predecessor, it's a film made in the spirit of childlike play. It pays the minimum of required attention to the more serious aspects of its story, just enough to keep the film going and make room for more colorful vistas, histrionic performances, and improbable but creative action.

    I do get the feeling Clooney talks about this film a little too much.

    Great review, @mattjoes your right about how this Gotham City looks. Joel Schumacher did Gotham right. He also gets blamed too much for the poor reception of the movie. Really, it’s Warner Bros’ fault, in more ways than one. As for the film itself, I like the increased use of the Bat-Family and not using mobsters as villains in retrospect. Plus, it gave us the Dark Knight trilogy. Sometimes you have to sink to the bottom to rise highly at the top. George Clooney really needs to learn that from Batman and Robin.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I no longer mind B&R like I used to. Rediscovering Batman '66 really helped me to appreciate the more campy fun of this film.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    I love Elliot Goldenthal's score for the film, though. He even brought back his Demolition Man theme for it.
  • RevelatorRevelator
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    I'd argue that the first season of the '66 Batman TV show was far more successful than Batman and Robin, or indeed the later seasons of the show, at presenting a genuinely funny camp version of Batman that was also succeeded as an adaptation of the comics, and could be enjoyed either as a send-up or straightforward adventure. First-rate camp is less about being goofy than about playing potentially absurd material so straight that the straightness becomes funny in itself. For me B&R comes across as goofy in a very strained, heavy-handed way. Contrast this to the first episode of the '66 show, or its first Mr. Freeze episode.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    The problem is that Heart Of Ice had shown them how to do Freeze well. You cannot deny the power of that story. To see our favourite human refrigerator spit out Arnold lines and yell stuff like "Kill the heroes, kill! KILL! KILL!" can be quite dissatisfying at first. It's taken me years to get over the fact that this film is just not even trying to be anything else but a big toy commercial. As so often the case, WB made strange decisions...

    Anyway, if I have to choose between B&R and Superman IV (or even between B&R and Superman III), I'll happily give B&R another viewing. Even the terrible "I love you, old man" doesn't distract me nearly as much as what sank those other two films.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson
    edited January 7 Posts: 2,161
    Revelator wrote: »
    I'd argue that the first season of the '66 Batman TV show was far more successful than Batman and Robin, or indeed the later seasons of the show, at presenting a genuinely funny camp version of Batman that was also succeeded as an adaptation of the comics, and could be enjoyed either as a send-up or straightforward adventure. First-rate camp is less about being goofy than about playing potentially absurd material so straight that the straightness becomes funny in itself. For me B&R comes across as goofy in a very strained, heavy-handed way. Contrast this to the first episode of the '66 show, or its first Mr. Freeze episode.

    No comparison, it’s not even worth saying. The previous one was funny on a genuine level, but also sharp and exciting.
    Sorry to change topics, but I just watched THE BATMAN all the way through for probably the third time. I had enjoyed it in the theater, and on the follow-up watch. But I appreciated it at a far greater degree this time. I was very invested, and I enjoyed every second of it (well, not every second, there were a few snatches of dialogue that rubbed me the wrong way). I love that they managed to work in the four classic TV villains, all in interesting and unique ways (I wish they had kept in the deleted Joker scene, I think it enhances to the film in an organic way and adds to the tapestry of the universe they are building. Normally I’m not a fan of including pieces that the Director initially dismissed for whatever reason in the initial film release itself, but this time I think it would have fit nicely, I’m sure it was disregarded simply because of the film’s length. ). This works great as a one off, but I’m glad to see a sequel coming. I just hope they don’t lose sight of what they’re doing here, and become too self-conscious, and start overdoing what they think worked audiences for the first time, as superhero filmmakers tend to do. I’d rather they keep trying to surprise us, with new characters and odd conventions. Obviously, The Joker needs his day in this universe. As much as I admire this portrayal of The Penguin, I’m not happy about a TV series coming out to supplement the films. As we’ve seen over the last few years, that tends to dilute the product, and take away a good bit of the excitement and anticipation that is unique to a theatrical release.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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  • Risico007Risico007
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    Good i was afraid that arkham knight and that stupid suicde squad kills the justice league were his last performances
  • BirdlesonBirdleson
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    I've never been as taken with his interpretation as, apparently, just about everyone else is. I don't dislike it, I think it's pretty good, but by no means do I find it definitive, or a favorite.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited February 16 Posts: 4,637


    Teaser trailer releases in Mid-April.-Todd Phillips.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson
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    Another film that I thought should have been a one-off. A continuing Joker saga sans Batman isn't what I want, regardless of quality. Same with the Penguin series.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Another film that I thought should have been a one-off. A continuing Joker saga sans Batman isn't what I want, regardless of quality. Same with the Penguin series.

    I'm just curious what it will turn out to be. I'm already on board knowing that J2 will not be a conventional film. Bring on the crazy!
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Another film that I thought should have been a one-off. A continuing Joker saga sans Batman isn't what I want, regardless of quality. Same with the Penguin series.

    I can see where you are coming from with that. I was hoping that Mike Flanagan could make his Clayface spinoff movie. Honestly, I'm getting tired of the Penguin, he's kind of being overused, akin to General Zod with Superman. I'd like to see certain other Batman get used as well, like the Ventriloquist, Mad Hatter, Maxie Zeus, Professor Pyg, and Punchline. Same with the Bat-Family, it's time for some fresh characters, to bad Batgirl got cancelled.
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
    edited February 15 Posts: 2,270
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Another film that I thought should have been a one-off. A continuing Joker saga sans Batman isn't what I want, regardless of quality. Same with the Penguin series.

    Even though I enjoyed the first Joker to a certain extent, I have to agree. I can sort of understand the logic behind the Penguin series, but I can’t say I understand the motivation behind creating an entire continuity based around Batman’s greatest nemesis without bothering to including Batman himself.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    The Penguin was based on Jack Jersawitz:

  • BirdlesonBirdleson
    edited February 17 Posts: 2,161
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    The Penguin was based on Jack Jersawitz:


    I love that, I’ve watched it over 100 times. That Freeze Ray gets me every time.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson
    edited February 17 Posts: 2,161
    So, what I’ve done over the last three weekends is watch all 15 theatrical Batman movies. What constitutes a Batman movie is up in the air I guess. As you can see below, I didn’t include every film Batman appears in (like SUICIDE SQUAD, however I rewatched all scenes with Batman), but I did include some films where he was not the main protagonist. Like with Bond, I’ve been a Batman fan since I was 2 1/2 or so. We used to watch the serials on an 8 mm projector before the TV show was even a thing. I have home movies of myself driving a mini Batmobile, dressed in a Batman outfit, at the age of four. Having seen all of these films before, most of them many times, I decided to do it differently this time. Since plot line was no longer an issue, I watched them not only out of order, but I jumped between three at a time. So I was constantly moving every 15 minutes to a completely different actor, era and ambience. I have to say it was quite exhilarating. I enjoyed many of these movies more than I had before or at least in a long time. And it did give me a very clear idea of which ones I preferred, and I am as surprised as I can be as to what the final results are. Before this endeavor, I never would have thought these films would end up in this order (except the top two and the last spot, those were a given).

    These are the good times.
    1. THE BATMAN (2022)
    2. BATMAN BEGINS (2005)
    3. THE DARK KNIGHT RISES (2012)
    4. THE DARK KNIGHT (2008)
    5. Zack Snyder’s JUSTICE LEAGUE (2021)
    6. BATMAN (1943)
    7. BATMAN (1966)
    8. BATMAN and ROBIN (1949)
    Here is where my enthusiasm begins to wane.
    9. THE FLASH (2023)
    10. BATMAN v SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE (2016)
    11. BATMAN RETURNS (1992)
    12. BATMAN (1989)
    Here is where my enthusiasm dies.
    13. BATMAN FOREVER (1995)
    14. JUSTICE LEAGUE (2017)
    15. BATMAN & ROBIN (1997)
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    The Penguin was based on Jack Jersawitz:


    I love that, I’ve watched it over 100 times. That Freeze Ray gets me every time.

    Glad you liked it. There's a few other compilations of people trolling him which are pretty hilarious.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson
    edited February 18 Posts: 2,161
    I am currently cherry picking my way through the ‘60s show, only rewatching my favorites, which is basically the entire 1st Season.
    If I was to include it in my rankings, a couple of post above, the first season of the television show would be in the third spot.
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
    edited February 24 Posts: 1,102
    Concept art from Yuhki Demers for a turned down Batman Beyond film pitched by him alongside Patrick Harpin.

    "Before we pitched, they warned us 'there is absolutely no way we can do a Beyond movie', but they loved our enthusiasm. We pitched the outline for the entire film, and what started as a 'never' turned into a 'maybe'."
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited February 26 Posts: 25,154
    Why Cant You Just Die | Batman Forever [ 4k, HDR, Remaster]

    I swathed this film several times at the cinema. This scene was awesome back in the day, it still is.

    Elliot Goldenthal's score is epic.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited February 26 Posts: 25,154
    The Flash does have one of the best shots of all time in the genre, you know it when you see it. (Batman and Kara were in shot). Kara 'What did you do...'
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    Why Cant You Just Die | Batman Forever [ 4k, HDR, Remaster]

    I swathed this film several times at the cinema. This scene was awesome back in the day, it still is.

    Elliot Goldenthal's score is epic.

    I very much agree. I love it then and now. Also, true that Goldenthal's Batman scores were earworms.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited February 26 Posts: 4,637
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    The Flash does have one of the best shots of all time in the genre, you know it when you see it. (Batman and Kara were in shot). Kara 'What did you do...'

    Batman and Supergirl were both the best things about The Flash. It’s a shame that neither Keaton or Calle aren’t going to reprise their roles (for now). In retrospect, it’s impossible for me to watch Ezra Miller in anything now. They need to be institutionalized. Not since Woody Allen or Charlie Sheen have I had this problem. That baby scene at the beginning of the movie should have been cut. It was also lazy to bring back Zod. It should have been a Flash villain. As for Andy Muschietti directing Batman Brave and the Bold, I could go either way. It is time for the Bat-family get some cinematic work done, as well as some new villains. Talia needs a more thought out storyline, and with Damian Wayne being in the movie, this should happen.
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