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Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    007HallY wrote: »
    sandbagger1 wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    FWIW
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/barbara-broccoli-ap-james-bond-roger-moore-hollywood-b2646395.html
    For the late James Bond producer Albert “Cuddy” Broccoli, receiving the Irving G. Thalberg Memorial Award was a true high point in his career.
    Not a good start to the article. Does no one proofread?

    That and:
    But the spotlight on them has intensified as the world awaits official word on Bond No. 8.

    Perhaps they were counting David Niven… or Sean Connery twice. Oh well….

    Interesting reading about them wanting to be brave in uncertain times for cinema though.

    This may be a clue to why the new film is taking so long: they chose someone as the new 007, but accidentally killed him. Note to self: don't make wrestling a giant squid part of the audition process.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Curious, that article mentions an interview given to AP, but looking on their page the AP just have that article, same author, same typos.
    https://apnews.com/article/james-bond-producers-fcb0077975022c4c3771af8752afb370

    So the Independent and other outlets like Yahoo etc. just take that article wholesale and reproduce it. I didn't realise they worked like that.
  • MalloryMallory
    edited November 13 Posts: 2,163
    mtm wrote: »
    Curious, that article mentions an interview given to AP, but looking on their page the AP just have that article, same author, same typos.
    https://apnews.com/article/james-bond-producers-fcb0077975022c4c3771af8752afb370

    So the Independent and other outlets like Yahoo etc. just take that article wholesale and reproduce it. I didn't realise they worked like that.

    I believe it has been that way for a while, they sell it on much like anything else.

    Good to have at least something from BB and MGW at least.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
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    007HallY wrote: »
    sandbagger1 wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    FWIW
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/barbara-broccoli-ap-james-bond-roger-moore-hollywood-b2646395.html
    For the late James Bond producer Albert “Cuddy” Broccoli, receiving the Irving G. Thalberg Memorial Award was a true high point in his career.
    Not a good start to the article. Does no one proofread?

    That and:
    But the spotlight on them has intensified as the world awaits official word on Bond No. 8.

    Perhaps they were counting David Niven… or Sean Connery twice. Oh well….

    Interesting reading about them wanting to be brave in uncertain times for cinema though. No idea what that means for Bond, but I think that sense of ambition is needed for a new era.

    It sounds like a generic answer.

  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited November 13 Posts: 4,139
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    sandbagger1 wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    FWIW
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/barbara-broccoli-ap-james-bond-roger-moore-hollywood-b2646395.html
    For the late James Bond producer Albert “Cuddy” Broccoli, receiving the Irving G. Thalberg Memorial Award was a true high point in his career.
    Not a good start to the article. Does no one proofread?

    That and:
    But the spotlight on them has intensified as the world awaits official word on Bond No. 8.

    Perhaps they were counting David Niven… or Sean Connery twice. Oh well….

    Interesting reading about them wanting to be brave in uncertain times for cinema though. No idea what that means for Bond, but I think that sense of ambition is needed for a new era.

    It sounds like a generic answer.

    Meh, probably. But they’ve not exactly played it safe in the Craig era, have they? At least in many ways.

    We’ll see what we get.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 14 Posts: 16,382
    I guess the notable thing is Wilson saying:
    “we were a good team”. Past tense.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    I guess the notable thing is Wilson saying:
    “we were a good team”. Past tense.

    That sounds like a goodbye, doesn't it? Makes me wonder if a (partially) new team will step in or if Barbara, like another Broccoli before her, decides to pull the carriage on her own for a few more years.
  • TuxedoTuxedo Europe
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    Seve wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I really can’t imagine what a Steve McQueen Bond film would look like. To be fair to him I think he could do it.

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    Klaus Kinski as Safin - great idea!
  • Scaramanga1974Scaramanga1974
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    In other words no news to report. Roll on 2027 at least
  • StamperStamper
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    Timothee Chalamet will be 30 next year.
    I'm just saying.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I think MGW is getting ready to leave his legacy of Bond in the near future. It will be sad when he does.

    Also, “People are playing it very safe. I think in times of crisis like this, you’ve got to be brave," Broccoli said. “It’s certainly a new era in the movie business, so we’re trying to figure it out." I respect that from her. It seems like she knows that the world does need James Bond in times like these.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    My enthusiasm for the next era is starting to wane, TBH.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Considering the state of the world today, my biggest hope is that escapism is a major element of the next era.
  • BMB007BMB007
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I guess the notable thing is Wilson saying:
    “we were a good team”. Past tense.

    That sounds like a goodbye, doesn't it? Makes me wonder if a (partially) new team will step in or if Barbara, like another Broccoli before her, decides to pull the carriage on her own for a few more years.

    Gregg Wilson, I imagine, will get a promotion.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    BMB007 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I guess the notable thing is Wilson saying:
    “we were a good team”. Past tense.

    That sounds like a goodbye, doesn't it? Makes me wonder if a (partially) new team will step in or if Barbara, like another Broccoli before her, decides to pull the carriage on her own for a few more years.

    Gregg Wilson, I imagine, will get a promotion.

    I think that too. I just hope he's as talkative about the creative process as his dad is.
    007HallY wrote: »
    George_Kaplan wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I’m not a fan of Redmayne as an actor (thought he was awful in The Dutch Girl). I don’t see anything Bondian in him. Even as a villain I’d be skeptical.

    Although he's in his 40s, he's still got a very boyish, ethereal quality to him, which is ideal for fantasy roles, but not so suitable for masculine action adventure roles.

    He also suffers from the same problem as actors like Tom Hiddleston and Benedict Cumberbatch. He's got a very strong whiff of the public school about him. Granted, Bond is a public schoolboy, but he's got more of a rough edge to him. I imagine that's why Eon has always avoided such actors.

    Yes, I think despite Bond’s background that public schoolboy whiff can never be there. It’s one of the strange things about casting Bond - none of the actors themselves have had similar backgrounds to the character (the majority of them are from working class backgrounds in fact, which is quite unusual when you compare Bond actors to Sherlock Holmes ones). That’s not to say the actor’s background matters in itself. It’s just how they come across. Even Roger Moore as Bond with his RADA accent had an irony, magnetism, and harder edge to him you don’t quite get with actors like David Niven from the time.

    Redmayne just doesn’t have that edge or gravitas to him. I’m sure he’s a nice guy, but there’s nothing Bondian about him, and I don’t think he’s anywhere near a good enough actor to mould himself to the role (in fact he’s done surprisingly little screen work since 2020. I’d thought he’d gone a similar way to Tom Hooper until Jackal as he’s done some terrible work that I think has set his career back slightly - Jupiter Ascending being an example, and even Danish Girl has its pushback rightly or wrongly).

    https://parade.com/tv/eddie-redmayne-lashana-lynch-the-day-of-the-jackal-interview-james-bond-rom-com

    Count me as someone who doesn't want to see Redmayne as Bond. His Oscar win really didn't help him out in the long run. His win as Stephen Hawking was kind of typical Oscar bait. Similar to Cliff Robertson in Charly (1968), although his win was more promoting for himself. It should have been Michael Keaton for Birdman. Maybe as unseen MI6 character: Ronnie Vallance or Sir James Molony.
  • CrabKeyCrabKey
    edited November 15 Posts: 1,985
    I don't know why Redmayne is being discussed. He will not be the next Bond. He won't even be auditioned. And no Oscar winner is going to be Bond. An Oscar winner or big name comes with too many demands, wanting too much control, and an unreasonable price tag. Make a star of an unknown.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    I don't why Redmayne is being discussed. He will not be the next Bond. He won't even be auditioned. And no Oscar winner is going to be Bond. An Oscar winner or big name comes with too many demands, wanting too much control, and an unreasonable price tag. Make a star of an unknown.

    Couldn’t agree more. At least a relative unknown. I don’t think EON will take a George Lazenby risk again.
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    Yeah you don’t really want the actor outshining the role with how big their name is. But at the same time I think they should be experienced. An actor with screen expirience at that level will have been in something bigger/notable (maybe not a big franchise movie, but something that’ll be on EON’s radar -independent films, an international production - and not just student shorts or bit parts in commercials). I’d be shocked if the next actor even came from a theatre background and had little to no screen experience. Short of an exceptional actor (and even then they’d take a while to learn the ropes) I don’t think that’s the right level of experience.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Yeah you don’t really want the actor outshining the role with how big their name is. But at the same time I think they should be experienced. An actor with screen expirience at that level will have been in something bigger/notable (maybe not a big franchise movie, but something that’ll be on EON’s radar -independent films, an international production - and not just student shorts or bit parts in commercials). I’d be shocked if the next actor even came from a theatre background and had little to no screen experience. Short of an exceptional actor (and even then they’d take a while to learn the ropes) I don’t think that’s the right level of experience.

    A 30-year-old actor with no experience in film or TV is very unlikely.

    Leo Suter or Tom Bateman are "unknown" enough.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited November 15 Posts: 4,139
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Yeah you don’t really want the actor outshining the role with how big their name is. But at the same time I think they should be experienced. An actor with screen expirience at that level will have been in something bigger/notable (maybe not a big franchise movie, but something that’ll be on EON’s radar -independent films, an international production - and not just student shorts or bit parts in commercials). I’d be shocked if the next actor even came from a theatre background and had little to no screen experience. Short of an exceptional actor (and even then they’d take a while to learn the ropes) I don’t think that’s the right level of experience.

    A 30-year-old actor with no experience in film or TV is very unlikely.

    Leo Suter or Tom Bateman are "unknown" enough.

    Agreed, and they’re a good level of fame. Established with even a small circle of fans in the know, but not an A-Lister. They can be moulded into Bond effectively, not the other way around.
  • Scaramanga1974Scaramanga1974
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    Let’s face it. Next guy has got almost Herculean task on his hands matching what Craig did.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    So that means with all the Gladiator buzz, Paul Mescal is out of it then. Because a potential Gladiator III is also being developed.
  • MalloryMallory
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    Scaramanga1974 wrote: »
    Let’s face it. Next guy has got almost Herculean task on his hands matching what Craig did.

    Every actor has had to deal with that.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Mallory wrote: »
    Scaramanga1974 wrote: »
    Let’s face it. Next guy has got almost Herculean task on his hands matching what Craig did.

    Every actor has had to deal with that.

    Arguably Brosnan less so.
    To be honest the gap may well help.
    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    So that means with all the Gladiator buzz, Paul Mescal is out of it then. Because a potential Gladiator III is also being developed.

    Folks don’t seem to be blown away by him in it though, sounds like it’s not the A-list moment it looked like it might be.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Mallory wrote: »
    Scaramanga1974 wrote: »
    Let’s face it. Next guy has got almost Herculean task on his hands matching what Craig did.

    Every actor has had to deal with that.

    Yeah. Even with DAD turning out the way it did, Craig had to deal with Brosnan's shadow. Come to think of it, I feel like Brosnan was the only Bond without pressure, because the world wasn't so keen on Dalton's Bond at the time.
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
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    I think when dealing with Multi-Million Dollar productions then everyone is under pressure in some way/shape/form, even the costume designers haha. However I think most of the pressure on Brosnan came during the production of GE. Despite being an inch away from the role 8 years prior, MGM/UA executives still weren’t entirely sure about Brosnan. According to Jeff Kleeman, they sort of saw Brosnan as someone who played 2nd fiddle to actors like Robin Williams or Warren Beatty (with Mrs. Doubtfire and Love Affair being the actors two most recent projects at that time.) Remington Steele had come and gone and really Brosnan wasn’t much of an established “star” in that sense. In addition to that, so many people were questioning the relevancy of the character and the series at large that had the film and the performance failed it would’ve been the end of the series. But I do think the pressure definitely went away once GE proved to be the massive success that it was.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited November 15 Posts: 2,016
    Yeah @007ClassicBondFan That's true, though. But I sort of feel Brosnan's joy of finally getting the Bond role, didn't allow him feel that much pressure. Yeah, but true... GoldenEye is probably the most important Bond film, because without it, it would have all been over today. GoldenEye showed the world that Bond is timeless, as Bond was always referred to as a 60s icon and won't survive modernity.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited November 15 Posts: 4,139
    I’ve gotta say, it must be an annoying job sometimes for EON. Imagine getting criticised for your films, having to make conscious course corrections/bold creative decisions for the next one (without which the series will apparently not survive each time) only to get praised for them before inevitably slipping back into audiences criticising the series and the odd critic claiming it’s not relevant anymore (again, every time and despite the fact that the series has no outright flops/continues that cycle of making successful new films that said audiences and critics like). At the very least it’s a weird cycle.
  • CrabKeyCrabKey
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    An unknown doesn't necessarily mean inexperience. It just means they haven't been noticed yet. Plenty of actors are waiting for their break out moment. I've seen plenty of films in which an actor I was unfamiliar with made an impression. Unlikely they'll do another Lazenby, but as it turns out he was a pretty good Bond. I think Craig was a very good Bond, but I don't think his successor has a herculean task ahead of him.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    So we're looking for an actor who has done a lot of work but has failed to make much of an impression? Maybe Aaron Taylor-Johnson is who we're looking for after all!
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