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  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    echo wrote: »
    I'm not convinced the ATJ rumors ever had any legitimacy beyond ATJ's agent. The tabloids cannot be taken seriously.

    I agree…
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
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    I don't believe in the rumors but I do think he is on the list. They know him after all.
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    We know there have been discussions about potential actors, so yes I imagine his name has come up. But I think it's doubtful at this point whether he'd even want to do it or would be available.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    007HallY wrote: »
    bondywondy wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I'm really looking forward to Nosferatu. Wasn't sold on the first 8 minutes of Kraven though, although it didn't seem bad as such. Just very, very middle of the road and generic, which is I think why they released those 8 minutes (namely to give the impression that the film as a whole isn't too bad). ATJ was ok I guess, but I'm not convinced he's ever going to bring anything special to these sorts of roles/films. I think Bond can do much better. But hey, as I always try to say I don't know his potential for sure, and if he was picked I'd give him the benefit of the doubt, even if my gut instinct is it won't be him.

    I like the idea of Harris Dickinson getting the role. He's been great in everything I've seen him in (A Murder at the End of The World is much recommended) and I think he's got a lot of natural Bond qualities and a good level of fame to build off of with a major role like that. He'd be in his 30s presuming Bond 26 will be a late 2027 release. I can imagine him doing something slightly different with the role that would set him apart from Craig and the others (while still fundamentally playing Bond). He's also worked with Nicole Kidman as Daniel Craig did just prior to CR, and I believe he's set to star in Sam Mendes' Beatles films, which again would be a nice little parallel with Bond. No guarantees obviously, but I'd be excited if he was announced.

    Kraven the Hunter is predicted to open to approximately $15 million in US/Canada:

    Variety:
    “Kraven the Hunter” could get declawed in its big screen debut.

    The comic book spinoff, set in Sony’s universe of Marvel characters, is targeting a paltry $13 million to $15 million from 3,200 theaters its opening weekend. Based on projections, “Kraven the Hunter” could contend with February’s misfire “Madame Web” ($15.3 million debut) for the ignominious distinction of the lowest start among Sony-produced Marvel adventures. Aaron Taylor-Johnson stars as the eponymous antihero in the R-rated film, which faced a litany of pandemic and strike-related release date delays on its long and winding journey to theaters. “Kraven” cost an upward of $110 million to produce (it was greenlit for $90 but ballooned after last year’s writers and actors strikes), which ended up being considerably more than the $80 million price tag for “Madame Web” but far less than rival studios like Disney or Warner Bros. typically pump into superhero tentpoles. “Kraven,” the first in Sony’s Spider-Man Universe with an R rating, was co-financed by TSG.

    If that prediction is accurate the film is set to tank and won't help Taylor-Johnson secure a large fee for Bond 26 (assuming he is offered the role). The same scenario was applicable to Henry Cavill after his three spy films bombed at the box office: Man From Uncle, Argylle and The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare. If you don't have any bankable status there's no reason why Eon would pay big bucks to hire you for Bond 26. I'm assuming Cavill or Johnson would expect to be paid more than Craig got for his first Bond film (accepting salary demands are higher in 2024 than in 2005).

    The counterview is over the last decade or more we have had a 'post film star' film industry. No more film stars guaranteed to bring in the punters. Does it matter if Aaron Taylor-Johnson isn't a box office star? Probably not but if he isn't a bankable actor then he has no casting advantage over some unknown guy currently working in theatre or at an acting school. This is why my prediction is AaronTaylor-Johnson won't be the next James Bond. I'm going for a relatively unknown actor appearing on a low profile streaming tv show or low profile film.

    Well, even in the good old days of Hollywood big stars had flops. So I don't think it's fully to do with our current relationship with actors. I'd also say an actor having a string of less financially successful films isn't a dealbreaker when it comes to a role like Bond. If EON want them and believe they're worth taking a risk on, they'll go for them. Remember, Craig was in a string of very financially unsuccessful films from 2003 to 2006 and had been in many others prior to that.

    If you look at the previous Bond actors, they were not in many big Hollywood movies before being cast as Bond. At least not as big stars. Even Brosnan was pretty much a tv and b movie actor, with a minor role in Mrs Doubtfire and a main role in Lawnmower Man, a genre film that had some success, but wasn't exactly a blockbuster.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    talos7 wrote: »
    His voice remains awful…

    And his Resting Smarm Face is intolerable.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited December 13 Posts: 6,380
    Cavill alert at #5:

    https://www.salon.com/2024/12/13/worst-movie-performances-of-2024/
  • CrabKeyCrabKey
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    mtm wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    if yours is the only judgement which matters to you, why care whether I or others think he seems to be considered sexless or not?

    I don't.

  • shimplyshocking007shimplyshocking007
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    ATJ is just...generic.
  • Risico007Risico007
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    Troy Baker…. Of course i am only talking about for the new game but if that man can combine his harison ford with a British accent he may be the most masculine sounding Bond we ever heard
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    Troy Baker…. Of course i am only talking about for the new game but if that man can combine his harison ford with a British accent he may be the most masculine sounding Bond we ever heard

    I mean, the man does have range, i'm pretty sure he could pull it off.
  • bondywondybondywondy Uk
    edited December 15 Posts: 364
    Kraven the Hunter opened poorly. Worst opening of the Sony Spider-Man spin off films. 11 million dollars.

    https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl259556097/?ref_=bo_we_table_3

    Whilst Kraven bombing is not a cast iron reason to prove Aaron Taylor-Johnson won't become the next James Bond... if he does become the next Bond, Eon won't be stating in the press release:

    "Eon Productions are proud to announce Aaron Taylor-Johnson, box office star of Kraven the Hunter, as the new James Bond." 🤭

    They'll probably not mention the film!

    007HallY wrote:

    Well, even in the good old days of Hollywood big stars had flops. So I don't think it's fully to do with our current relationship with actors. I'd also say an actor having a string of less financially successful films isn't a dealbreaker when it comes to a role like Bond. If EON want them and believe they're worth taking a risk on, they'll go for them. Remember, Craig was in a string of very financially unsuccessful films from 2003 to 2006 and had been in many others prior to that.

    I don't think there is any known Bond candidate with any reliable box office (the movie star was made obsolete by the internet and the rise of social media) so keep your eyes on future Amazon/Netflix/Apple tv and film content because the next Bond actor may get picked on streaming and not on the big screen. Someone unknown. Maybe less known than Craig was back in 2004/05? If a new actor appears in a low budget Layer Cake type film on Netflix, not too glossy or generic, maybe a flawed hero with an edge, that might appeal to Barbara Broccoli.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    I think the film's poor opening has nothing to do with ATJ. We are in times where people aren't that blown away by superhero films anymore, except it's got something special. This isn't 2012. So for a superhero film to succeed these days, it needs to have something more...not just throwing people up and down.
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    bondywondy wrote: »
    Kraven the Hunter opened poorly. Worst opening of the Sony Spider-Man spin off films. 11 million dollars.

    https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl259556097/?ref_=bo_we_table_3

    Whilst Kraven bombing is not a cast iron reason to prove Aaron Taylor-Johnson won't become the next James Bond... if he does become the next Bond, Eon won't be stating in the press release:

    "Eon Productions are proud to announce Aaron Taylor-Johnson, box office star of Kraven the Hunter, as the new James Bond." 🤭

    They'll probably not mention the film!

    007HallY wrote:

    Well, even in the good old days of Hollywood big stars had flops. So I don't think it's fully to do with our current relationship with actors. I'd also say an actor having a string of less financially successful films isn't a dealbreaker when it comes to a role like Bond. If EON want them and believe they're worth taking a risk on, they'll go for them. Remember, Craig was in a string of very financially unsuccessful films from 2003 to 2006 and had been in many others prior to that.

    I don't think there is any known Bond candidate with any reliable box office (the movie star was made obsolete by the internet and the rise of social media) so keep your eyes on future Amazon/Netflix/Apple tv and film content because the next Bond actor may get picked on streaming and not on the big screen. Someone unknown. Maybe less known than Craig was back in 2004/05? If a new actor appears in a low budget Layer Cake type film on Netflix, not too glossy or generic, maybe a flawed hero with an edge, that might appeal to Barbara Broccoli.

    I suppose it's worth saying that Craig was (supposedly) on EON's minds from about 1999 onwards. It doesn't seem strictly to do with Layer Cake, and (again supposedly) and was more due to his walk in Elizabeth.

    To be honest, I can see that being the case even with all the supposedlys. Sometimes those more intangible qualities such as physicality can be a sign of a potential Bond. There's of course the often told story of Connery's walk after his initial EON meeting being 'pather-like'. But it depends. I think with Craig his performances in Layer Cake/Tomb Raider gave them extra confidence in him. And of course he auditioned (even if by his own account for only a day, again supposedly). But ultimately it's just about seeing that spark in practice.
  • M_BlaiseM_Blaise
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    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    I think the film's poor opening has nothing to do with ATJ. We are in times where people aren't that blown away by superhero films anymore, except it's got something special. This isn't 2012. So for a superhero film to succeed these days, it needs to have something more...not just throwing people up and down.

    It proves he can't carry a big movie otherwise though, just like with Godzilla.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited December 16 Posts: 4,300
    M_Blaise wrote: »
    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    I think the film's poor opening has nothing to do with ATJ. We are in times where people aren't that blown away by superhero films anymore, except it's got something special. This isn't 2012. So for a superhero film to succeed these days, it needs to have something more...not just throwing people up and down.

    It proves he can't carry a big movie otherwise though, just like with Godzilla.

    I don't think a major movie star could have carried that film to much better heights. Same to a lesser extent with Godzilla. So I do agree, it's nothing to do with ATJ. Even if his 8 minutes in that film didn't impress me. His Bond potential is separate from this.
  • M_BlaiseM_Blaise
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    007HallY wrote: »
    M_Blaise wrote: »
    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    I think the film's poor opening has nothing to do with ATJ. We are in times where people aren't that blown away by superhero films anymore, except it's got something special. This isn't 2012. So for a superhero film to succeed these days, it needs to have something more...not just throwing people up and down.

    It proves he can't carry a big movie otherwise though, just like with Godzilla.

    I don't think a major movie star could have carried that film to much better heights. Same to a lesser extent with Godzilla. So I do agree, it's nothing to do with ATJ. Even if his 8 minutes in that film didn't impress me. His Bond potential is separate from this.

    But if he spends this whole film trying to look cool and smirking it can and should be used as example of how he would play Bond.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    M_Blaise wrote: »
    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    I think the film's poor opening has nothing to do with ATJ. We are in times where people aren't that blown away by superhero films anymore, except it's got something special. This isn't 2012. So for a superhero film to succeed these days, it needs to have something more...not just throwing people up and down.

    It proves he can't carry a big movie otherwise though, just like with Godzilla.

    Yeah, it could be. But at the same time, superhero films aren't a guaranteed success anymore these days.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    I think had Kraven be a success it would have been more of an argument against ATJ as Bond than the other way round. If ATJ wants a shot at the role, he better not be attached to a successful franchise, especially not a superhero one.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    For me, it's really between Jacob Elordi and Harris Dickinson

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    At 6’5” Elordi would tower over many of his co-stars. I’ve not seen him in enough to give him a fair appraisal though.

    I do like the suggestion of Harris Dickinson though. Right look and age. The interview provided by @talos7 shows his voice and potentially his personality could be right for Bond.
    I also find that you’re usually pretty good when it comes to selecting potential Bond actors @Pierce2Daniel so I’ll follow suit with your endorsement of Dickinson.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I'm not saying that Bond can't be young, but he should have some seniority and experience to his manner and appearance. None of these young guys look distinguished enough to play bond. They look like someone dressing up like the character for a halloween party, not the real McCoy. Even Brosnan, who is sometimes accused of being a pretty boy still had a good degree of age in his features by the time he was cast.
  • CrabKeyCrabKey
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    Both pix look as if they could be AI generated. Neither conveys a sense of danger or character. Pix may not do them justice.
  • DewiWynBondDewiWynBond
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    For a job like this, you need someone my age.
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    It's tricky imagining anyone as Bond without actually seeing it in the actual film I think. So we don't know how anyone would come off in terms of being distinguished. And yes, these are AI generated images so don't give a good indication about either actor.

    All we have to go from with any actor are their previous roles. Which is frustrating but not much we can do! Still, I like to think there are little hints about who could potentially be good and who aren't, subjective as it is.
  • M_BlaiseM_Blaise
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    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    M_Blaise wrote: »
    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    I think the film's poor opening has nothing to do with ATJ. We are in times where people aren't that blown away by superhero films anymore, except it's got something special. This isn't 2012. So for a superhero film to succeed these days, it needs to have something more...not just throwing people up and down.

    It proves he can't carry a big movie otherwise though, just like with Godzilla.

    Yeah, it could be. But at the same time, superhero films aren't a guaranteed success anymore these days.

    I meant carrying a film performance wise, not at the box office.
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
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    I was catching up on The Great and was reminded of the actor Jacob Fortune-Lloyd. I first saw him in the Queens Gambit when he appeared to have anelement of Bond charm and quiet cool. His acting in The Great only supports that feeling. I also think he has the right level of fame to be cast as he is really not known for any other role.
  • Bond_BombshellBond_Bombshell
    edited December 17 Posts: 112
    I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Tom Blyth yet as he is a rising star. He seems a decent actor, and is 29 and 6ft tall. At the moment I feel he is too boyish and needs more weight, but he might become a contender in a few years.

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  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Bond_Bombshell wrote: »
    I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Tom Blyth yet as he is a rising star. He seems a decent actor, and is 29 and 6ft tall. At the moment I feel he is too boyish and needs more weight, but he might become a contender in a few years.

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    I had no idea so checked some of the material that's online and some interviews. The guy can act and will have a glorious career I believe. Definitely Bond material, he's got the charisma, already at his age.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Interesting article, combining three of the actors previously mentioned:

    https://www.thecut.com/article/harris-dickinson-babygirl-paul-mescal-josh-oconnor-leading-men-hollywood.html?origSession=D231116iJYPfH0nEG8pPIR7f9mkVl0DSk5PgLjldh1rNraFpf0=
  • Risico007Risico007
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    Just saw Kraven the hunter and I get it now ATJ could be the next 007 i see it now.

    He is not in my top 5 but still
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    echo wrote: »
    Interesting article, combining three of the actors previously mentioned:

    https://www.thecut.com/article/harris-dickinson-babygirl-paul-mescal-josh-oconnor-leading-men-hollywood.html?origSession=D231116iJYPfH0nEG8pPIR7f9mkVl0DSk5PgLjldh1rNraFpf0=

    It requires a subscription to view, but from the bit that I can see, it looks like it may have been written by someone who frequents these boards.
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