Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I imagine they've been working on Chitty for longer than a month though.
  • edited December 20 Posts: 396
    mtm wrote: »
    I imagine they've been working on Chitty for longer than a month though.

    Maybe. I don’t think there were any details about the production itself in the Deadline article. Maybe EON and Amazon have been kicking around the idea for some time. Maybe both parties were tipped off about the WSJ article before publication and released the remake news to get ahead of it. Whether the remake of CCBB was long gestating or recently developed, I think it could signify a change in the EON/Amazon relationship not reflected in the WSJ article.

    https://variety.com/2024/film/news/chitty-chitty-bang-bang-remake-director-matthew-warchus-writer-enda-walsh-1236255802/

    Published eighteen hours ago. Could this be damage control from EON and Amazon.
  • edited December 20 Posts: 742
    I see Kraven the Hunter flopped with terrible reviews Let’s hope that puts the ATJ is the next Bond rumours firmly to bed .
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    Burgess wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I imagine they've been working on Chitty for longer than a month though.

    Maybe. I don’t think there were any details about the production itself in the Deadline article. Maybe EON and Amazon have been kicking around the idea for some time. Maybe both parties were tipped off about the WSJ article before publication and released the remake news to get ahead of it. Whether the remake of CCBB was long gestating or recently developed, I think it could signify a change in the EON/Amazon relationship not reflected in the WSJ article.

    https://variety.com/2024/film/news/chitty-chitty-bang-bang-remake-director-matthew-warchus-writer-enda-walsh-1236255802/

    Published eighteen hours ago. Could this be damage control from EON and Amazon.

    Carrots and sticks. WSJ is the stick; Variety is the carrot. Play ball and get movies. Think you're in charge and get your dirty laundry aired out. Amazon needs her more than she needs them. Barbara Broccoli is a respected producer. Amazon is an insurgent force distrusted.
  • edited December 20 Posts: 12,520
    The whole “internal discussions about Bond’s place in the modern world / can he be seen as a hero” is utterly ridiculous if true, and shines a light on one of the biggest issues with modern films. Way too much sanitization and perfection for protagonists these days. Sounds to me like Amazon wants to make James Bond somebody he isn’t, and that’s obviously not making Barbara happy.
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    There isnt a real ability to do a shared universe and arent shared universes kind of passe

    I mean when was the last time the greats like Star Wars or Marvel put out something amazing no way home i think at that was 2021
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    BMB007 wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I imagine they've been working on Chitty for longer than a month though.

    Maybe. I don’t think there were any details about the production itself in the Deadline article. Maybe EON and Amazon have been kicking around the idea for some time. Maybe both parties were tipped off about the WSJ article before publication and released the remake news to get ahead of it. Whether the remake of CCBB was long gestating or recently developed, I think it could signify a change in the EON/Amazon relationship not reflected in the WSJ article.

    https://variety.com/2024/film/news/chitty-chitty-bang-bang-remake-director-matthew-warchus-writer-enda-walsh-1236255802/

    Published eighteen hours ago. Could this be damage control from EON and Amazon.

    Carrots and sticks. WSJ is the stick; Variety is the carrot. Play ball and get movies. Think you're in charge and get your dirty laundry aired out. Amazon needs her more than she needs them. Barbara Broccoli is a respected producer. Amazon is an insurgent force distrusted.

    Good call. I didn’t think of it from that angle. EON, through various unnamed sources, leaks info to the WJS in order to pressure Amazon through public opinion and the press.

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    Why? they don't even have an actor.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Why? they don't even have an actor.

    Normally they get a director first.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Unless I've missed it there is no B26 Ltd. yet, which is unusual. Something is going on, perhaps corporate politics.

    I for one am not interested in Bond spinoffs. Who cares what Moneypenny, or Leiter, do when not interacting with Bond?
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    It’s sounds like a sticking point between EON and Amazon may be the actual selection of an actor to play James Bond. More specifically, how an actor is chosen. Amazon relies on analytics and algorithms to make market decisions. Barbara trusts her gut and experience.

    Amazon is weary of an unknown actor because it goes against what their data is telling them. Barbara probably believes that audiences don’t know what they want (within reason) until they give it to them. William Goldman said it best: “In Hollywood, no one knows anything.” If Hollywood or Big Tech could predict a hit, everything would be a hit.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Barbara and Michael have complete creative control over who is cast as Bond.

    All Amazon can do is to lobby them.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited December 20 Posts: 24,253
    I prefer no new Bond film to a soulless, disrespectful exercise in greed and exploitation. No matter how anyone feels about the recent films, at least EON cannot be accused of mass-producing content of questionable quality, merely to shake our pockets for pennies. The exhausting way Disney has been overstuffing the Star Wars and MCU catalogues has more likely caused general disinterest in these series rather than increased enthusiasm for them. I'd rather something similar didn't happen to Bond, even at a smaller scale.

    I hope that Barbara Broccoli, whom I've righteously defended against a few critical voices on this forum, will keep fighting the good fight. "What's taking her so long?" "She doesn't care about us!" Well, she does. Her "matriarchal" control of Bond may very well be the best thing that's happening to Bond right now. The same fans who worried that "Babs" was taking away Bond's masculinity should be more concerned with suits taking away his future. It's so easy to run a well-established series into the ground by causing fatigue among audiences. Indifference may pose the biggest threat to Bond, especially in times when 007 can no longer be the king of the action/adventure genre.

    And yes, it all goes back to Harry and Cubby. A decision made half a century ago leaves Bond vulnerable to attacks from his worst enemies: corporate types with plans. We should consider that too whenever we feel like pointing accusing fingers at Barbara.
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    echo wrote: »
    Barbara and Michael have complete creative control over who is cast as Bond.

    All Amazon can do is to lobby them.

    That may be true but lobbying when you own 50% of the IP or, at least, have exclusive distribution rights is some serious leverage. But Broccoli has leverage too. Maybe even more considering that studios want to produce movies so they can make money for shareholders. No movie. No money. Unhappy shareholders. This is especially true for a franchise of Bond’s caliber. But I don’t think EON can unilaterally make decisions. They have leverage but not complete control.

  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Eon has complete creative control, not financial control. That's why they had all the issues with UA.
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    echo wrote: »
    Eon has complete creative control, not financial control. That's why they had all the issues with UA.

    I didn’t say that EON had financial control. The studio does. One can’t be creative on a film with no money. So, while the studio defers to EON’s expertise on many issues, it’s not as though the studio has no leverage or say. That’s why we’re at a standstill with production on Bond 26.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I prefer no new Bond film to a soulless, disrespectful exercise in greed and exploitation. No matter how anyone feels about the recent films, at least EON cannot be accused of mass-producing content of questionable quality, merely to shake our pockets for pennies. The exhausting way Disney has been overstuffing the Star Wars and MCU catalogues has more likely caused general disinterest in these series rather than increased enthusiasm for them. I'd rather something similar didn't happen to Bond, even at a smaller scale.

    I hope that Barbara Broccoli, whom I've righteously defended against a few critical voices on this forum, will keep fighting the good fight. "What's taking her so long?" "She doesn't care about us!" Well, she does. Her "matriarchal" control of Bond may very well be the best thing that's happening to Bond right now. The same fans who worried that "Babs" was taking away Bond's masculinity should be more concerned with suits taking away his future. It's so easy to run a well-established series into the ground by causing fatigue among audiences. Indifference may pose the biggest threat to Bond, especially in times when 007 can no longer be the king of the action/adventure genre.

    And yes, it all goes back to Harry and Cubby. A decision made half a century ago leaves Bond vulnerable to attacks from his worst enemies: corporate types with plans. We should consider that too whenever we feel like pointing accusing fingers at Barbara.

    Great post @DarthDimi
    Once again, we're on the same page.
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I prefer no new Bond film to a soulless, disrespectful exercise in greed and exploitation. No matter how anyone feels about the recent films, at least EON cannot be accused of mass-producing content of questionable quality, merely to shake our pockets for pennies. The exhausting way Disney has been overstuffing the Star Wars and MCU catalogues has more likely caused general disinterest in these series rather than increased enthusiasm for them. I'd rather something similar didn't happen to Bond, even at a smaller scale.

    I hope that Barbara Broccoli, whom I've righteously defended against a few critical voices on this forum, will keep fighting the good fight. "What's taking her so long?" "She doesn't care about us!" Well, she does. Her "matriarchal" control of Bond may very well be the best thing that's happening to Bond right now. The same fans who worried that "Babs" was taking away Bond's masculinity should be more concerned with suits taking away his future. It's so easy to run a well-established series into the ground by causing fatigue among audiences. Indifference may pose the biggest threat to Bond, especially in times when 007 can no longer be the king of the action/adventure genre.

    And yes, it all goes back to Harry and Cubby. A decision made half a century ago leaves Bond vulnerable to attacks from his worst enemies: corporate types with plans. We should consider that too whenever we feel like pointing accusing fingers at Barbara.

    Brilliant post! She's fighting the good fight to keep Bond special.
  • edited 4:31pm Posts: 742
    I wish Barbara Broccoli would lighten up and give new people a chance at doing something with Bond. Amazon could do some many good things with spin offs and period era Bonds. Her stubbornness will hurt the franchise.

    Ps having said what I said previously , if some of the reports I’ve just read about Amazon are true then BB may have a point. Bond is most definitely a hero and needs to be a played by a British actor . I don’t want Amazon to ruin the franchise the way Disney has with Star Wars with their constant announcing and immediately projects.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    It just so happens that "letting other people have a go" in this instance means subjecting Bond to the same process of contentification that STAR WARS and Marvel went through once Disney got their mitts of them. Barbara, for all her flaws, is doing the right thing, and the only thing worse than the gridlock would be if she gave up, and allowed amazon to dilute the Bond brand down into grey goo until even we have become apathetic to the next movies release.

    Bond will only continue to be successful and draw crowds for as long as it is still associated with quality, and while Amazon getting their way might bring the occasional "force awakens" film, things would quickly go downhill. How many STAR WARS fans do you know that, with the benefit of hindsight, are glad DISNEY acquired the rights?

    No, Barbara is doing the right thing.
  • edited 8:37am Posts: 12,520
    Honestly, it wouldn’t be the end of the world to me if the movie series literally just stopped with No Time to Die. Don’t get me wrong, it would suck to not get new Bond films anymore, but if the alternative is getting stuff like recent Star Wars movies, I’d say that’s worse. I don’t want conveyor belt products for a special series like Bond. We have 25 films forever, and this series has both greater quantity and quality than most others out there.

    Obviously, this is no real possibility; Bond is too recognizable to not be used and make money with sooner or later, but there’s a real possibility things might never be the same after Craig if the wrong hands take power. The thought of mediocre at best Bond films moving forward is more depressing to me than just calling it a day. I really hope things end up working out, but this series has been in a dark place for almost a decade now between the nightmare production of NTTD and this new mess happening with Amazon. If Bond’s vices and antihero kind of qualities are stripped away moving forward, I’m not interested.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    The power is still in the right hands, for now at least. Babs has full creative control, and short of talking EON to court (which would be a bad look coming after the strikes) Amazon can't "force" her to do anything. Honestly it's not something we need to be upset about, it probably just means Bond 26 will still be a while away, that's all. But at least we have some answers now, and we aren't all wondering what's going on.
  • edited 10:18am Posts: 1,446
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I prefer no new Bond film to a soulless, disrespectful exercise in greed and exploitation. No matter how anyone feels about the recent films, at least EON cannot be accused of mass-producing content of questionable quality, merely to shake our pockets for pennies. The exhausting way Disney has been overstuffing the Star Wars and MCU catalogues has more likely caused general disinterest in these series rather than increased enthusiasm for them. I'd rather something similar didn't happen to Bond, even at a smaller scale.

    I hope that Barbara Broccoli, whom I've righteously defended against a few critical voices on this forum, will keep fighting the good fight. "What's taking her so long?" "She doesn't care about us!" Well, she does. Her "matriarchal" control of Bond may very well be the best thing that's happening to Bond right now. The same fans who worried that "Babs" was taking away Bond's masculinity should be more concerned with suits taking away his future. It's so easy to run a well-established series into the ground by causing fatigue among audiences. Indifference may pose the biggest threat to Bond, especially in times when 007 can no longer be the king of the action/adventure genre.

    And yes, it all goes back to Harry and Cubby. A decision made half a century ago leaves Bond vulnerable to attacks from his worst enemies: corporate types with plans. We should consider that too whenever we feel like pointing accusing fingers at Barbara.




    What happened 50 years ago happened because it had to happen.
    Connery knew this.
  • mickey07mickey07 home
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    I cant believe that no one ever sussed the word SKYFALL,a nd what it mean s- mind you, youd have no chance, unless you KNOW (big claim).... The brieifngs they were giving out in 1998, went like this:

    There is a certain trigger word, which you might hear in the future, and if you hear it, it means that the service has fallen partially or wholly under control of foreign power. If you hear it, you must give up what you are doing, no matter what it is, just stop, and go home.

    You will not be mistaken, the boffins reckon that this word will not be found in any normal conversation, and you should be in no doubt when you hear it, what it means.

    The trigger word is SKYFALL.

    Now, in the film you can see that Bond COULDNT be mistaken when he heard the word, because the shrink inside the mi6 building said the word to him, during his word-play. He could not be mistaken. No one in the real life service, could miss understand either, because THEY USED IT AS A FILM TITLE. This shows evryone, that they were briefed correctly, and there can be no mistaking this.

    They even included details - M represented The Queen, in those days, in case you didnt know. And you see on the bridge, that M loses control of her own computer, immdiately after the roof of the mi6 building is blown up. The roof came in, and M lost control of the service (partially, as it happens).

    Its all in the films, chaps. Impossible to comprehend, unless you know what you are looking for, but they did tell you.

    THE SERVICE HAS FALLEN, PARTIALY OR WHOLLY UNDER CONTROL OF FOREIGN POWER.

    The only briefing i ever had about any clandestine power (from my 007 boss), by the way, was The Deutsche Verteidigungst Dienst, so im presuming it was them.
  • mickey07mickey07 home
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    PS - its been a while. I bet they thought we were all dead. by now.
  • edited 11:08am Posts: 361
    I think it if its true B Broccoli called Amazon f-g idiots then she is playing with fire. Amazon are one of the richest, powerful companies in history.

    MGM had a long history of mismanagement and filed for bankruptcy in 2010.
    Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (MGM) has filed for bankruptcy protection once, in 2010:
    2010: MGM filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on November 3, 2010, due to a large debt load and a lack of hit movies. MGM emerged from bankruptcy on December 2, 2010, under the ownership of its creditors. Gary Barber and Roger Birnbaum, former executives at Spyglass Entertainment, became co-chairmen and co-CEOs of MGM's new holding company.

    Amazon bought MGM to continue the MGM franchises and make money from the back catalogue but Amazon are so astonishingly rich they can leave Bond dormant. They don't need MGM to make money because Amazon are not a traditional film studio - they are a global retailer. MGM did need Bond to keep the studio a viable concern and one attractive to buyers. Amazon are so wealthy they don't need MGM to be active. It's a crazy paradox. Eon need Amazon more than Amazon need Eon. If Eon refuse to deal with Amazon, well, Amazon can say "okay, we'll take you to court for unreasonable delay/breach of contract" or they say "okay, we don't need Bond. We want to make Bond films with you, but we don't need the franchise to be active."

    Eon may have met their match with Amazon!

  • edited 11:37am Posts: 1,446
    bondywondy wrote: »
    I think it if its true B Broccoli called Amazon f-g idiots then she is playing with fire. Amazon are one of the richest, powerful companies in history.

    MGM had a long history of mismanagement and filed for bankruptcy in 2010.
    Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (MGM) has filed for bankruptcy protection once, in 2010:
    2010: MGM filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on November 3, 2010, due to a large debt load and a lack of hit movies. MGM emerged from bankruptcy on December 2, 2010, under the ownership of its creditors. Gary Barber and Roger Birnbaum, former executives at Spyglass Entertainment, became co-chairmen and co-CEOs of MGM's new holding company.

    Amazon bought MGM to continue the MGM franchises and make money from the back catalogue but Amazon are so astonishingly rich they can leave Bond dormant. They don't need MGM to make money because Amazon are not a traditional film studio - they are a global retailer. MGM did need Bond to keep the studio a viable concern and one attractive to buyers. Amazon are so wealthy they don't need MGM to be active. It's a crazy paradox. Eon need Amazon more than Amazon need Eon. If Eon refuse to deal with Amazon, well, Amazon can say "okay, we'll take you to court for unreasonable delay/breach of contract" or they say "okay, we don't need Bond. We want to make Bond films with you, but we don't need the franchise to be active."

    Eon may have met their match with Amazon!

    iI could be worse. Disney doesn't need Bond at all. It has too many franchises. Amazon at least sees its full potential
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I prefer no new Bond film to a soulless, disrespectful exercise in greed and exploitation.
    Absolutely, this.
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    It was mentioned a page or two ago, but what could possibly stop EON from outright buying that other half of the rights that MGM/Amazon owns?
  • NoTimeToLiveNoTimeToLive Jamaica
    Posts: 103
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Honestly, it wouldn’t be the end of the world to me if the movie series literally just stopped with No Time to Die. Don’t get me wrong, it would suck to not get new Bond films anymore, but if the alternative is getting stuff like recent Star Wars movies, I’d say that’s worse. I don’t want conveyor belt products for a special series like Bond. We have 25 films forever, and this series has both greater quantity and quality than most others out there.

    Obviously, this is no real possibility; Bond is too recognizable to not be used and make money with sooner or later, but there’s a real possibility things might never be the same after Craig if the wrong hands take power. The thought of mediocre at best Bond films moving forward is more depressing to me than just calling it a day. I really hope things end up working out, but this series has been in a dark place for almost a decade now between the nightmare production of NTTD and this new mess happening with Amazon. If Bond’s vices and antihero kind of qualities are stripped away moving forward, I’m not interested.
    +1.
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