Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    It was mentioned a page or two ago, but what could possibly stop EON from outright buying that other half of the rights that MGM/Amazon owns?

    MGM not selling it.
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    Well, for now it doesn’t seem like there’s going to be such an easy solution for EON along those lines. They seem to know that too. It is what it is.

    Short of something dramatic happening both parties are going to have to find some common ground with Bond. I don’t think EON should compromise their creative integrity here with Bond by making pointless spin offs or picking an actor they don’t think is right, but maybe there’s something that’ll appease both? I dunno what it could be - maybe a creative or marketing decision both can agree on, perhaps going for a lead that appeals to both sides (ie. someone more up and coming whose fan base ticks Amazon’s ‘algorithms’ while also being EON’s pick). It’s happened in the past I guess.
  • edited 1:36pm Posts: 2,293
    mtm wrote: »
    It was mentioned a page or two ago, but what could possibly stop EON from outright buying that other half of the rights that MGM/Amazon owns?

    MGM not selling it.

    I don’t know. If things stall long enough I see no reason why Amazon can’t force MGM to accept an offer from EON should the situation occur.

    Like perhaps in another 5 years if things don’t really come to fruition then I could potentially see a situation like that occurring. I’m no expert however.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited 1:39pm Posts: 6,377
    Just a theory, but I think Eon likes keeping creative control while not having to fully finance the films by themselves. For them, it's a win-win. MGM/Amazon is a lesser partner who has to put in cash if they want a film.

    I think Eon has enough money to buy the rights, just as they did with McClory and SPECTRE, and sort of with CR in 2005 (which was more of a Sony swap).

    But for some reason, over all these years, Eon has chosen not to buy back the former Saltzman rights from MGM/Amazon.

    Recall that Michael is a lawyer.
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    The rights cost a lot of money.

    Plus someone has to finance the movies.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited 2:16pm Posts: 6,377
    Of course they do, but Michael and Barbara have a lot of money.

    If Eon wanted to buy them, they would, or structure some sort of financing deal with their preferred partner.

    I think it is all about financing each individual film. They currently have more financial upside than downside on each film.

    They don't want to risk it by self-financing.

    Cubby was ruthless and he cut a great deal for himself and Harry with UA. He is why Michael and Barbara hold all the cards no matter who the studio is.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited 2:35pm Posts: 1,673
    echo wrote: »
    Of course they do, but Michael and Barbara have a lot of money.

    If Eon wanted to buy them, they would, or structure some sort of financing deal with their preferred partner.

    I think it is all about financing each individual film. They currently have more financial upside than downside on each film.

    They don't want to risk it by self-financing.

    Cubby was ruthless and he cut a great deal for himself and Harry with UA. He is why Michael and Barbara hold all the cards no matter who the studio is.

    I think this article could be the first step in getting Amazon to relinquish control. That's what these organizations do in the public, to get their way. BB letting the world know it's an untenable relationship could force Amazon to sell, just to save face in the public. She just told everyone who is stopping her from making Bond again, she knows what she's doing.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    mtm wrote: »
    It was mentioned a page or two ago, but what could possibly stop EON from outright buying that other half of the rights that MGM/Amazon owns?

    MGM not selling it.

    I don’t know. If things stall long enough I see no reason why Amazon can’t force MGM to accept an offer from EON should the situation occur.

    Like perhaps in another 5 years if things don’t really come to fruition then I could potentially see a situation like that occurring. I’m no expert however.

    I don’t really see why Amazon would do that, giving up some of their lucrative property.
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Of course they do, but Michael and Barbara have a lot of money.

    If Eon wanted to buy them, they would, or structure some sort of financing deal with their preferred partner.

    I think it is all about financing each individual film. They currently have more financial upside than downside on each film.

    They don't want to risk it by self-financing.

    Cubby was ruthless and he cut a great deal for himself and Harry with UA. He is why Michael and Barbara hold all the cards no matter who the studio is.

    I think this article could be the first step in getting Amazon to relinquish control. That's what these organizations do in the public, to get their way. BB letting the world know it's an untenable relationship could force Amazon to sell, just to save face in the public. She just told everyone who is stopping her from making Bond again, she knows what she's doing.

    Nah, she is the one who doesn't want to make the movie.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Of course they do, but Michael and Barbara have a lot of money.

    If Eon wanted to buy them, they would, or structure some sort of financing deal with their preferred partner.

    I think it is all about financing each individual film. They currently have more financial upside than downside on each film.

    They don't want to risk it by self-financing.

    Cubby was ruthless and he cut a great deal for himself and Harry with UA. He is why Michael and Barbara hold all the cards no matter who the studio is.

    I think this article could be the first step in getting Amazon to relinquish control. That's what these organizations do in the public, to get their way. BB letting the world know it's an untenable relationship could force Amazon to sell, just to save face in the public. She just told everyone who is stopping her from making Bond again, she knows what she's doing.

    Nah, she is the one who doesn't want to make the movie.

    And why should she? If she thinks the film is going to be below standard?
  • Posts: 9,858
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I prefer no new Bond film to a soulless, disrespectful exercise in greed and exploitation. No matter how anyone feels about the recent films, at least EON cannot be accused of mass-producing content of questionable quality, merely to shake our pockets for pennies. The exhausting way Disney has been overstuffing the Star Wars and MCU catalogues has more likely caused general disinterest in these series rather than increased enthusiasm for them. I'd rather something similar didn't happen to Bond, even at a smaller scale.

    I hope that Barbara Broccoli, whom I've righteously defended against a few critical voices on this forum, will keep fighting the good fight. "What's taking her so long?" "She doesn't care about us!" Well, she does. Her "matriarchal" control of Bond may very well be the best thing that's happening to Bond right now. The same fans who worried that "Babs" was taking away Bond's masculinity should be more concerned with suits taking away his future. It's so easy to run a well-established series into the ground by causing fatigue among audiences. Indifference may pose the biggest threat to Bond, especially in times when 007 can no longer be the king of the action/adventure genre.

    And yes, it all goes back to Harry and Cubby. A decision made half a century ago leaves Bond vulnerable to attacks from his worst enemies: corporate types with plans. We should consider that too whenever we feel like pointing accusing fingers at Barbara.

    While i hate to agree.. i absolutely do..

    And again my point is shared universes have become so boring these days.. that i think Amazon is behind the times with this one thinking its still 2010-2017…

    I wonder if this is why the game is being held up as well
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    The funny thing is, it was MGM that didn't want the Jinx spin off 20 years ago.
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    The best Bond has been killed off. Not sure how to follow Craig anyway. That presumably is where EONs thinking is at. Might as well mothball the franchise until the right actor comes along.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited 4:38pm Posts: 24,253
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    Thanks, chaps. I'm glad we agree on the importance of keeping Bond from falling into the wrong hands. Do we want a Bond film every year or so, with two TV series and a cartoon in between? I'm exaggerating, of course, but streaming services do seem to be branching things out easily. Even the Godzilla / King Kong 'monsterverse' has squeezed in a few TV series and cartoons for no reason other than to win the extra subscription. I could just "not watch", but that's easier said than done, especially when it's all "interconnected". Furthermore, I'm sure the quality of a film is at risk when part of the attention has shifted to other things. And, lastly, too much is too much. Bond is not the kind of property that people cannot get enough of, other than the most ardent fans. Too much Bond means no Bond at all in a matter of time. Bond deserves better than such an exploitative business model.

    (This is also the reason why I'm not on board with those Moneypenny and Q books.)
    I wish Barbara Broccoli would lighten up and give new people a chance at doing something with Bond. Amazon could do some many good things with spin offs and period era Bonds. Her stubbornness will hurt the franchise.

    Ps having said what I said previously , if some of the reports I’ve just read about Amazon are true then BB may have a point. Bond is most definitely a hero and needs to be a played by a British actor . I don’t want Amazon to ruin the franchise the way Disney has with Star Wars with their constant announcing and immediately projects.

    I think her stubbornness is much needed, right now. Your reference to SW is valid. Unless one in unemployed, wealthy, single, and a bit of an introvert, it's hard to keep up with Disney's relentless pursuit of more content. Recent SW series haven't exactly set the room on fire either; fans seem to be checking out early, or at the very least finish a series with a big dose of criticism. I hope Barbara can prevent a similar churning out of Bond product from happening. I want the films, if and when they come out, to be an event, something to look forward to, something unique and special. I don't want them to subsist on the constant injection of "007" in the programming of a streaming service.
  • Amazon analytics gives us the likes of Rings of Power, which is an unflushed turd of a show.
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    BB/Eon does not HAVE to make any more Bond films, they already got their Thalberg Award, and can continue to scratch their creative muscles with films like Othello, CCB, or other Bond related projects like Road To Millions and the Bond Video Game. Amazon doesn't NEED to make Bond films to sustain itself. They truly are at a stand off. The only thing getting bruised here are egos. Personally, it seems the ONLY way to speed up the process would be for Amazon to sell the Bond rights to another entity but I don't think Eon, without the backing of some major investor, like Elon or whatever, could do that. However you slice it, it's going to be a loooong haul before Bond appears on the big screen again.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Just wondering, why can't the rights be sold to EON? Is the price too high? Is no one willing to allow them that particular favour?
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Just wondering, why can't the rights be sold to EON? Is the price too high? Is no one willing to allow them that particular favour?

    When studios own the rights to film series they usually don't like to sell them to smaller entities because they wont want any one person having control.

    Take the Back to the Future trilogy. There was never a 4th one made even when MJF was in good health because Robert Zemeckis owns the rights to the films and he refuses to sell them because he doesnt want anyone else to make more or more to make. Had he sold them there probably be more films and some spin off films.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Just wondering, why can't the rights be sold to EON? Is the price too high? Is no one willing to allow them that particular favour?

    Why would they sell? They own half of James Bond.
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    mtm wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Just wondering, why can't the rights be sold to EON? Is the price too high? Is no one willing to allow them that particular favour?

    Why would they sell? They own half of James Bond.

    But what exactly is the financial incentive for keeping the rights if no films are going to be made? If another 5 or so years pass with no movement on the next era, why WOULDN’T Amazon sell off their share? At that point they wouldn’t have made much of a return investment.
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