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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 12 Posts: 16,831
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    I have to agree with @007ClassicBondFan the pressure for GoldenEye to succeed, was more than Casino Royale to do likewise. When Brosnan left Bond, he left successfully. Die Another Day with all its unfavorable reviews, still found a huge audience. It's not as if the series was in a terrible state after DAD. People even wanted more of Brosnan's Bond.

    So yes, no GoldenEye today, no more James Bond. People only complained when Craig was unveiled as James Bond, but never feared for Bond's relevance during the making of Casino Royale, like they did GoldenEye.

    I completely agree. I think if Craig didn’t hit it with the public then the aftermath would’ve been similar to that of Dalton whereas if Brosnan didn’t hit it off with the public then Bond would’ve died there and then.

    I don't know; I think if Bond #5 had been received with Dalton-style levels of lukewarmth, there was still enough buzz around a new, relaunched 007 series to keep it going a bit longer, plus GoldenEye itself was a very strong Bond film and I think folks would have been up for more regardless. I'm not saying Brosnan didn't contribute to its success, but even without him I think it would have done well.
    Basically probably the worst thing they could have done would have been to actually put Dalton in it, because literally everybody but him had the curiosity factor of a new Bond, and generally audiences knew they weren't all that in love with Dalton as Bond. It had to not be him, and as long they got someone vaguely competent (and why wouldn't they) the Bond series would have kept going.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    I'm not so sure that there was 'always' going to be a course-correct after DAD, tbh. The crunch seems to have been when BB, MGW and Lee Tamahori went to see The Bourne Identity a couple of months before DAD's release and, famously, said that they came out thinking that 'we were dead in the water.' Without that providing the impetus, would the course have been 'corrected' to anything like the extent that it was?
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
    edited January 12 Posts: 2,332
    mtm wrote: »
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    I have to agree with @007ClassicBondFan the pressure for GoldenEye to succeed, was more than Casino Royale to do likewise. When Brosnan left Bond, he left successfully. Die Another Day with all its unfavorable reviews, still found a huge audience. It's not as if the series was in a terrible state after DAD. People even wanted more of Brosnan's Bond.

    So yes, no GoldenEye today, no more James Bond. People only complained when Craig was unveiled as James Bond, but never feared for Bond's relevance during the making of Casino Royale, like they did GoldenEye.

    I completely agree. I think if Craig didn’t hit it with the public then the aftermath would’ve been similar to that of Dalton whereas if Brosnan didn’t hit it off with the public then Bond would’ve died there and then.

    I don't know; I think if Bond #5 had been received with Dalton-style levels of lukewarmth, there was still enough buzz around a new, relaunched 007 series to keep it going a bit longer, plus GoldenEye itself was a very strong Bond film and I think folks would have been up for more regardless. I'm not saying Brosnan didn't contribute to its success, but even without him I think it would have done well.
    Basically probably the worst thing they could have done would have been to actually put Dalton in it, because literally everybody but him had the curiosity factor of a new Bond, and generally audiences knew they weren't all that in love with Dalton as Bond. It had to not be him, and as long they got someone vaguely competent (and why wouldn't they) the Bond series would have kept going.

    Perhaps, it’s sort of hard to tell either way. I remember MGW mentioned a Wall Street Journal article that called Goldeneye a $60 Million Dollar gamble that wasn’t worth taking and that always stuck with me ever since. It just seemed that there wasn’t much goodwill towards the franchise (probably off the back of the John Glen years.) In either event it was for the best that we got both Brosnan and Craig and their respective debuts.

    Was Dalton really that poorly received? I was always under the impression that critics liked him a bit more than they did Roger Moore back then even if the films weren’t huge hits.
    Venutius wrote: »
    I'm not so sure that there was 'always' going to be a course-correct after DAD, tbh. The crunch seems to have been when BB, MGW and Lee Tamahori went to see The Bourne Identity a couple of months before DAD's release and, famously, said that they came out thinking that 'we were dead in the water.' Without that providing the impetus, would the course have been 'corrected' to anything like the extent that it was?

    Personally I would say yes going off the drastic change in tone from Moonraker to FYEO. Even Dalton was a drastic course correction from Moore’s Bond. Bourne provided a challenge yes, but one that EON overcame in the past.

    If anything I think Batman Begins may have been a bit more influential on Bond than Bourne was, with the whole reboot concept and all.
  • CrabKeyCrabKey
    Posts: 2,088
    Bond influences Bourne and then Bourne influences Bond? Or Batman. Or Hitchcock. My hope is Bond can move forward without the series borrowing from or being influenced by other films. Similarities are one thing, but I prefer seeing a Bond that looks and feels fresh instead of "yeah, that's right out of........"
  • 007HallY007HallY
    Posts: 4,462
    There'll always be that take and give with regards to whatever else is being released during the time of a Bond film. You can't really help it. It's how we make anything (or to use an arguably pompous term in this scenario 'art', and a slightly less pompous one 'entertainment').

    You can't make something out of nothing essentially.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,367
    In this day and age, the challenge lies in ensuring that Bond stays true to his roots while maintaining relevance. The 'problem' is that Bond likely has to keep playing a similar game to avoid straying too far from familiar territory. With others tackling aspects of that same formula, achieving complete originality becomes a daunting task. That said, I’ve always felt that Skyfall and Spectre stood out as remarkably original in their storytelling, cinematography, action, and more. I’ve yet to encounter many films quite like them.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,543
    We've officially gone 1200 days since Bond.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    edited January 13 Posts: 1,541
    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    I have to agree with @007ClassicBondFan the pressure for GoldenEye to succeed, was more than Casino Royale to do likewise. When Brosnan left Bond, he left successfully. Die Another Day with all its unfavorable reviews, still found a huge audience. It's not as if the series was in a terrible state after DAD. People even wanted more of Brosnan's Bond.

    So yes, no GoldenEye today, no more James Bond. People only complained when Craig was unveiled as James Bond, but never feared for Bond's relevance during the making of Casino Royale, like they did GoldenEye.

    Well, I don't think there was that much risk after True Lies. You would have to be blind to think that it wasn't possible to make more Bond movies. In any case they were too cautious.
  • fjdinardofjdinardo
    Posts: 2,014
    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    I have to agree with @007ClassicBondFan the pressure for GoldenEye to succeed, was more than Casino Royale to do likewise. When Brosnan left Bond, he left successfully. Die Another Day with all its unfavorable reviews, still found a huge audience. It's not as if the series was in a terrible state after DAD. People even wanted more of Brosnan's Bond.

    So yes, no GoldenEye today, no more James Bond. People only complained when Craig was unveiled as James Bond, but never feared for Bond's relevance during the making of Casino Royale, like they did GoldenEye.

    Goldeneye is always the Bond movie I point to to anyone who has never seen a Bond movie before and wants to start watching. Its the perfect start up Bond film IMO
  • BMB007BMB007
    Posts: 584
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Bond influences Bourne and then Bourne influences Bond? Or Batman. Or Hitchcock. My hope is Bond can move forward without the series borrowing from or being influenced by other films. Similarities are one thing, but I prefer seeing a Bond that looks and feels fresh instead of "yeah, that's right out of........"

    The books exist in conversation with other pulp thriller literature and travelogue style writings. Nothing is itself.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,543
    DarthDimi wrote: »

    So yes, having another actor step into Craig's shoes will be challenging.

    BAFTA doesn't seem to think so.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,367
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »

    So yes, having another actor step into Craig's shoes will be challenging.

    BAFTA doesn't seem to think so.

    What does that mean?
  • CrabKeyCrabKey
    Posts: 2,088
    Finding the right actor to replace Craig is routine for EON. They are used to it. They will find someone. Die hards will cling to Craig. The rest will like the new guy within five minutes of his appearance on screen. Like Connery, Craig was a great Bond, but I was over him the moment he was blown to bits. He got what he wanted, an explosive exit. Time to move on. That would have happened whether Craig's Bond died or not. He was clear NTTD was his last film. So be it. Bring on the next guy.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,174
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Finding the right actor to replace Craig is routine for EON. They are used to it. They will find someone. Die hards will cling to Craig. The rest will like the new guy within five minutes of his appearance on screen. Like Connery, Craig was a great Bond, but I was over him the moment he was blown to bits. He got what he wanted, an explosive exit. Time to move on. That would have happened whether Craig's Bond died or not. He was clear NTTD was his last film. So be it. Bring on the next guy.

    I don't think it's as routine this time. Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't the producers already have Craig in mind before Brosnan handed in his licence..?

    And Brosnan was already cast before the Remington Steele producers put a spanner in the works. So after Dalton didn't want to continue, Brosnan was naturally given a second chance in the part. All very smooth.

    I don't think the producers will have such an easy time replacing Craig. So far most of the suggestions and rumours have been pretty laughable. Even harder when they had no one in mind to replace him when NTTD ended..
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
    Posts: 2,332
    EON has somewhat had future actors kept in the back of their minds, but that’s never stopped them from testing or even discussing the part with other actors. Besides I’m sure if EON has someone specific in mind right now, we won’t hear about it for a very long time afterwards like with Craig.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    Posts: 4,462
    Oh yeah. I can't imagine they've gone the last ten years without thinking about young actors who could be a future Bond (it's their job after all). We actually know from Jennifer Salke's interview about EON a while ago that they've outright discussed potential actors. So yeah, they have names they're thinking of.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,174
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    EON has somewhat had future actors kept in the back of their minds, but that’s never stopped them from testing or even discussing the part with other actors. Besides I’m sure if EON has someone specific in mind right now, we won’t hear about it for a very long time afterwards like with Craig.

    Craig was announced as Bond 3 years after DAD...
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
    Posts: 2,332
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    EON has somewhat had future actors kept in the back of their minds, but that’s never stopped them from testing or even discussing the part with other actors. Besides I’m sure if EON has someone specific in mind right now, we won’t hear about it for a very long time afterwards like with Craig.

    Craig was announced as Bond 3 years after DAD...

    Okay, have you forgotten about the recent struggles with Amazon? Why would Barbara Broccoli suddenly announce someone she’s had in mind for Bond when we are nowhere near production on the next film. Other things need to line up before a new Bond is cast.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,174
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    EON has somewhat had future actors kept in the back of their minds, but that’s never stopped them from testing or even discussing the part with other actors. Besides I’m sure if EON has someone specific in mind right now, we won’t hear about it for a very long time afterwards like with Craig.

    Craig was announced as Bond 3 years after DAD...

    Okay, have you forgotten about the recent struggles with Amazon? Why would Barbara Broccoli suddenly announce someone she’s had in mind for Bond when we are nowhere near production on the next film. Other things need to line up before a new Bond is cast.

    No i haven't forgotten the struggles with Amazon. I think a new Bond film is way off.

    I just don't think there's anyone in the mind of the producers..
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
    Posts: 2,332
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    EON has somewhat had future actors kept in the back of their minds, but that’s never stopped them from testing or even discussing the part with other actors. Besides I’m sure if EON has someone specific in mind right now, we won’t hear about it for a very long time afterwards like with Craig.

    Craig was announced as Bond 3 years after DAD...

    Okay, have you forgotten about the recent struggles with Amazon? Why would Barbara Broccoli suddenly announce someone she’s had in mind for Bond when we are nowhere near production on the next film. Other things need to line up before a new Bond is cast.

    No i haven't forgotten the struggles with Amazon. I think a new Bond film is way off.

    I just don't think there's anyone in the mind of the producers..

    Perhaps you’re right. My point is that if she has someone in mind, that’s not going to be public information for a long time.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    Posts: 1,541
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    EON has somewhat had future actors kept in the back of their minds, but that’s never stopped them from testing or even discussing the part with other actors. Besides I’m sure if EON has someone specific in mind right now, we won’t hear about it for a very long time afterwards like with Craig.

    Craig was announced as Bond 3 years after DAD...

    Okay, have you forgotten about the recent struggles with Amazon? Why would Barbara Broccoli suddenly announce someone she’s had in mind for Bond when we are nowhere near production on the next film. Other things need to line up before a new Bond is cast.

    No i haven't forgotten the struggles with Amazon. I think a new Bond film is way off.

    I just don't think there's anyone in the mind of the producers..

    Perhaps you’re right. My point is that if she has someone in mind, that’s not going to be public information for a long time.

    I hope he's young enough because the wait could be long.
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
    Posts: 2,332
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    EON has somewhat had future actors kept in the back of their minds, but that’s never stopped them from testing or even discussing the part with other actors. Besides I’m sure if EON has someone specific in mind right now, we won’t hear about it for a very long time afterwards like with Craig.

    Craig was announced as Bond 3 years after DAD...

    Okay, have you forgotten about the recent struggles with Amazon? Why would Barbara Broccoli suddenly announce someone she’s had in mind for Bond when we are nowhere near production on the next film. Other things need to line up before a new Bond is cast.

    No i haven't forgotten the struggles with Amazon. I think a new Bond film is way off.

    I just don't think there's anyone in the mind of the producers..

    Perhaps you’re right. My point is that if she has someone in mind, that’s not going to be public information for a long time.

    I hope he's young enough because the wait could be long.

    Oh yeah. We’re in for the long haul for Bond #7 it seems.
  • CrabKeyCrabKey
    Posts: 2,088
    It is my understanding Bond 7 is currently a junior drama student in high school.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,543
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    EON has somewhat had future actors kept in the back of their minds, but that’s never stopped them from testing or even discussing the part with other actors. Besides I’m sure if EON has someone specific in mind right now, we won’t hear about it for a very long time afterwards like with Craig.

    Craig was announced as Bond 3 years after DAD...

    Okay, have you forgotten about the recent struggles with Amazon? Why would Barbara Broccoli suddenly announce someone she’s had in mind for Bond when we are nowhere near production on the next film. Other things need to line up before a new Bond is cast.

    No i haven't forgotten the struggles with Amazon. I think a new Bond film is way off.

    I just don't think there's anyone in the mind of the producers..

    Perhaps you’re right. My point is that if she has someone in mind, that’s not going to be public information for a long time.

    I hope he's young enough because the wait could be long.

    Oh yeah. We’re in for the long haul for Bond #7 it seems.

    Yeah, we'll be lucky to see another film this decade.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,240
    It might even stretch to two
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,773
    58, to be exact.
  • DewiWynBondDewiWynBond
    Posts: 1,033
    Can they bring it back after a decade or two? I'm feeling pessimistic all of a sudden.
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
    Posts: 2,332
    I doubt it will stretch to two decades. Bond is too valuable an IP for both parties to leave it on the shelf for that long.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,296
    As 2025 is the 10th anniversary of SPECTRE, next year we can officially say there had been only one Bond movie made in a ten year span.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    edited January 17 Posts: 4,174
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    As 2025 is the 10th anniversary of SPECTRE, next year we can officially say there had been only one Bond movie made in a ten year span.

    Yet they managed 4 Mission Impossible films in that time..(Albeit the latest being in two parts)
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