Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • edited January 22 Posts: 4,455
    mtm wrote: »
    It's all a bit 'fooling the stupid superstitious natives' though, is there a way of doing it nowadays which doesn't feel a bit, y'know, racist?

    Most likely not these days.

    Depends on how it's done ultimately. The villain's 'gang' could be framed as a cult where brainwashed individuals believe their leader has supernatural powers. Or the threat (similar to DN's dragon) could be such an unknown but desturctuve entity MI6 get spooked by some sort of attack/event, hence why Bond is sent in.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah those are fun, I like the cult. Gardner did that with Scorpius I think (I haven't read it in about 30 years so apologies if that's off!) so could be fun in a movie.
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    The Facts of Death is about a cult. I haven't read it.
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    There seemed to be hints of something eerie and possibly vaguely culty about Safin's whole operation. I wish they'd leaned into that more.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited 3:05pm Posts: 8,541
    My number one desire for Bond 26 is that Bond gets to ENJOY. HIM. SELF. No more fighting with M, no more familial drama, no more escaping to an island and drinking himself into a stupor, no more cradling dead loved ones. I want a Bond like TND, going around the parking lot in the backseat of his BMW with a big smile on his face. We've had 5 films where Bond barely gets to be in his pomp and actually relish in doing his job, and such a big part of the Fleming books was about him getting to relish in his lifestyle, knowing he probably won't see his 60's.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 3:25pm Posts: 16,813
    You should try Spectre or No Time To Die.

    B18, the film with the BMW backseat, has Bond cradling a dead loved one btw.

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    Filmmaking feels different these days. You rarely get to experience the story through the characters eyes/going along for the ride. I think it's a pacing/score/director issue. Too much spectacle in modern film, not enough immersion (?)
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited 4:26pm Posts: 8,541
    Filmmaking feels different these days. You rarely get to experience the story through the characters eyes/going along for the ride. I think it's a pacing/score/director issue. Too much spectacle in modern film, not enough immersion (?)

    You capture an audience by showing them something they haven't seen, at least for a while. That's what makes it refreshing.

    If Bond 26 features a downbeat Bond on an island again it will feel like yesterday's news. They need to change pace and give us a upbeat, all-in-a-days-work Bond, like he was in his cinematic heyday. It's what the audience has been clambering for ever since they watched him be incinerated in the last movie.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Filmmaking feels different these days. You rarely get to experience the story through the characters eyes/going along for the ride. I think it's a pacing/score/director issue. Too much spectacle in modern film, not enough immersion (?)

    Bit puzzled by that to be honest. I'd say something like NTTD or, I dunno, CR, is much more through Bond's eyes than TSWLM or the like (as much as any of them are through his eyes: really I'm not sure he's supposed to be the audience surrogate).
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    mtm wrote: »
    Filmmaking feels different these days. You rarely get to experience the story through the characters eyes/going along for the ride. I think it's a pacing/score/director issue. Too much spectacle in modern film, not enough immersion (?)

    Bit puzzled by that to be honest. I'd say something like NTTD or, I dunno, CR, is much more through Bond's eyes than TSWLM or the like (as much as any of them are through his eyes: really I'm not sure he's supposed to be the audience surrogate).

    Soz, it's not very clear. It's a personal observation of any modern film and the way they're made. Casino Royale is an immersive experience!
  • edited 5:56pm Posts: 4,455
    mtm wrote: »
    You should try Spectre or No Time To Die.

    B18, the film with the BMW backseat, has Bond cradling a dead loved one btw.

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    Personally, I think if Bond 26 had a scene like the opening of SP where we see him strutting along the rooftop to the Bond theme and going about his job in that confident manner, I'd be very happy. Not my favourite Bond film by any means, but something about that opening is so effortless and suave. Just pure Bond.

    Same for Bond returning to London, getting the Aston Martin, and driving up to MI6 and marching into the building in a suit in NTTD. It's such a cool, stylish scene I can forgive I noticed on my last viewing that he parked on the double yellow lines! And the nagging idea in the back of my mind that London ULEZ laws would give him a hell of a fine most likely. Bondian fantasy and all that, haha. I do love how humorous and even arrogant Bond acts on his MI6 return though, particularly when he spars with Nomi and the 'oh, does that bother you' line. Reminded me of how Roger Moore played Bond in his earlier films on my last viewing actually. It definitely jars with this idea that Craig's Bond is miserable throughout his last two. I just don't see it frankly.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    To be fair, I was walking around behind New Bond St. this weekend and a beautiful 1986 Aston Martin Vantage the same shape as Bond's V8 burbled past me - anyone who can afford to own and run one can afford the ULEZ and parking fines! :D
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited 6:22pm Posts: 8,541
    007HallY wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    You should try Spectre or No Time To Die.

    B18, the film with the BMW backseat, has Bond cradling a dead loved one btw.

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    Same for Bond returning to London, getting the Aston Martin, and driving up to MI6 and marching into the building in a suit in NTTD.

    I love that. Giving the Craig Bond points for wearing a suit. Perhaps he should get points for holding the martini glass the right way up as well.
  • edited 6:27pm Posts: 4,455
    007HallY wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    You should try Spectre or No Time To Die.

    B18, the film with the BMW backseat, has Bond cradling a dead loved one btw.

    giphy.gif

    Same for Bond returning to London, getting the Aston Martin, and driving up to MI6 and marching into the building in a suit in NTTD.

    I love that. Giving the Craig Bond points for wearing a suit. Maybe he should get points for holding the martini glass the right way up as well.

    It's one of those elaborate but Bondian transitions, and I love how smooth it is from him in his more casual clothes in the garage, to getting into the Aston, to exiting in a suit and sunglasses. For me anyway it's really cool. Reminds me of Peter Hunt's old quick editing tricks in the first few films to patch together scenes (although it's obviously very deliberate and pre-planned in this instance).

    Like I said, I really don't see Craig's Bond as some miserable, introverted version of this character in his last two, nor do I see his films that way. I find him much more humorous and confident than in CR/QOS, and from my last viewing of NTTD in particular I actually got a surprising amount of pace to the editing. A very unusual Bond movie no doubt, but I really think it was approached as being a Bond movie - from how the lead character acts, to how he's presented, to what he faces. Personally, I hope the next Bond can approach this role with as much confidence and humour as Craig got the opportunity to display in his last three.
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