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The theories of Bond films! How does Bond overpower Bambi and Thumper in the pool? DAF

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  • Scaramanga1974Scaramanga1974
    Posts: 805
    Murdock wrote: »
    My headcanon is that Blofeld used decoys. This also goes by my usual watch order of YOLT to DAF to OHMSS.

    The "Blofeld" Bond meets in YOLT isn't the real one. He's Largo's replacement. He runs S.P.E.C.T.R.E.'s Japanese operations while the real Blofeld is setting up his Piz Gloria operation.

    After his failure of losing the volcano base, the scarred "Blofeld" is executed by the Charles Gray version who in my headcanon is Henderson turned defector. With Bond on S.P.E.C.T.R.E.'s trail, Henderson faked his death and began his plans of being the next decoy for S.P.E.C.T.R.E.'s Las Vegas operations.

    DAF starts immediately after YOLT and is also the start of operation bedlam. Bond has been on a manhunt for Blofeld and when he thinks he finally found him, he's shocked to see Henderson instead. The events of the movie unfold as normal which leads into OHMSS. This whole time Bond has been meeting decoys and imposters and so he finally meets the true Blofeld in OHMSS.

    Blofeld's operation in OHMSS has been so important that it requires his direct involvement for establishing the clinic and all the patients so it makes sense that he would use doubles to handle his other operations around the world. He wouldn't have much time to worry about Bond chasing his doubles while he's busy setting up his new cover and institute at Piz Gloria.

    With the way the movie unfolds Bond breaks Blofeld's neck permanently paralyzing him which drives him to attempt to murder Bond only to kill Tracy instead. After that Blofeld goes into hiding for many years until he learns about Bond's annual visits to Tracy's grave and uses the last of his resources to kill him in the PTS of FYEO. That attempt ultimately leads to his true demise.


    That's how I perceive things anyway. :P

    Brilliant. Absolutely love this theory.

  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,300
    Is it possible that when Bond is looking at the photo of Fekkesh and Sandor appears in the corridor above, that Bond was aware?
    Bond then looks in the other room and returns. As Bond returns to Felicca he would have a peripheral view of the room and the corridor above. Maybe he got a location of the person above him.
    It reminds me of the scene in TB, where after finding Dervals corpse Bond goes to make a phone call, only to use the phone to foil a would be assassin. Bond was aware of the assassin, but the audience isn't alerted to his knowledge.
    The same thing could be true of TSWLM.

    Who has a corridor above their living area like that? Allowing randoms to just peak down into your home. Weird!
  • Reflsin2bourbonsReflsin2bourbons
    Posts: 335
    Maybe Felicca thinks Bond is in on the job and she moves to struggle away from him, inadvertently getting into the line of fire. I don't think Bond intentionally tried to kill Felicca because for all he knows she's an innocent woman.
  • BT3366BT3366
    Posts: 1,948
    Consider that TSWLM is thought of as the movie that established Moore's Bond persona. with a lot of spectacle and fantasy elements to it. Then think about the ways in which Bond uses his 00 status for in this film - dropping the helpless Sandor off the roof after he gives information; using a missile to eliminate Naomi as she's idling above him; blowing the defenseless Stromberg away after he shot his bolt. These are all rather cold-blooded in the vein of Connery's Bond, so maybe his using the woman as a shield was all part of the creative team wanting to remind the audience he's a 00 behind the quips and charm.

    Moore made no secret of his discomfort in kicking Loque's car off the cliff in FYEO, but some of these deaths were equally cold and I don't think he's ever commented on those.

    Sorry, I didn't answer the question directly, but I'm guessing it's her or him and she's the shield. In many films, he shows a bit of remorse at a death he's caused and there's not even a second glance at her.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,192
    BT3366 wrote: »
    Moore made no secret of his discomfort in kicking Loque's car off the cliff in FYEO, but some of these deaths were equally cold and I don't think he's ever commented on those.

    It's a good point. It is pretty identical to Sandor, really; although I guess that was a little jokier perhaps- maybe that's why he seemed more comfortable with it? Mind you, it's not as if he didn't toss a quip in after Loque too. Odd isn't it.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,493
    "Why does Bond use Fakesh's secretary as a human shield?"

    Because he's Mister Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    edited February 19 Posts: 1,637
    Because it worked in Goldfinger.

    I think she's bad but she liked Bond at the last second. Too late for her..
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited February 19 Posts: 4,674
    At risk of dying on these fields of the human shield debate here…

    I think Sandor shot first to silence the secretary. Bond wasn’t at fault.

    We’ll see whether I’m wrong or not, haha. I do wonder what a rewatch of the footage says.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,100
    I've always seen it as her having a change of heart at the last second, for whatever reason, and sacrificing herself in the process. Illogical, but Bond has that magic way about him.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    Posts: 5,606
    Nice, thanks for those theories and thoughts. I have some ideas to wrap my brain around. Always bothered me that Bond seemed to use an innocent as a shield.

    Okay time for another spot in a film that requires a theory. Bond has battled many a foe. Most of these battles are straightforward and play out with some degree of believability. However one battle left me perplexed.

    I am of course talking about Bond meeting Bambi and Thumper! These two women have their way with Bond on land and then the moment they hit the pool Bond is able to overpower both of them to the point where they quickly give up. Always bothered me how fierce women would meekly surrender. So I have to ask any theories to explain this away?

    For your viewing pleasure here is the battle:




    My Dad said because a man would weigh more in water than the women it would allow Bond to overpower. Not sure if I believe that, so I am open to other suggestions.
  • bondywondybondywondy Uk
    edited February 24 Posts: 483
    Bond is a British secret agent.
    He works for the British secret service MI6.
    Bond is British.
    M is British.
    Q is British.

    So why is the original Moneypenny American? Her accent is clearly American. Lois Maxwell was Canadian.

    Why did Eon cast a Canadian actress when you would assume Moneypenny would be British. She's British from TLD to NTTD.

    Lois Maxwell was my favourite Moneypenny so I never noticed her incongruous accent when watching the films. 😉
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,493
    How does Bond overpower Bambi and Thumper in the pool?

    Well, we know what he can do with his little finger.

    Okay, I'll leave now.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,395
    Bond wasn't expecting them to be so vicious, so he let his guard down at first. Plus he didn't want to hit women. In the pool, he uses his superior strength to overpower them using the least amount of violence and brutality as possible.

    Regarding Blofeld in OHMSS, in my head canon Bond was disguised as a Japanese in YOLT when he met Blofeld. As poorly disguised as he was, it was enough to conceal his real appearance. The Bray persona did the rest.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    edited February 24 Posts: 1,637
    Because the girls were faster but he is stronger.
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