Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Generally Hollywood leading men simply don't want to put the time in to master a good British accent when they could be chasing girls. I think that's largely all there is to it - the U.S. leading men feel too secure to put themselves out, because they just don't care. Particularly the English upper-class accent is a difficult one to pull-off because it's not a relaxed accent, yet you have to sound comfortable and casual with it, which generally means adopting it 24/7 for several months. Many American actresses have, on the other hand, made some very good stabs at it because they are actually willing to take the time to get it right because it is harder for them (or was, things have changed) to get good roles.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    I'd like to find a linguistics expert to explain why Brits seem to do an OK American accent but not the reverse ("The Order" a recent example). I just cant imagine an American actor in the Bond role.

    Probably because Brits are exposed to American culture (films, TV) way more than vice versa, so the American accents are more familiar to Brits than British accents are to Americans.

    I'm a bit of a linguist, although I'm not a specialist. I suspect there are a number of factors involved. America is the dominant culture, so less likely to adapt to other realities. You see the same with French: not only they are unable to create a genuine Québec accent, but often they cannot distinguish it from a Belgium one. A Québec actor can usually neutralise his accent fairly easily if the role requires it. Then some cultures are physically more accute to sounds differences and can modulate their voice accordingly. Russians for instance are apparently better at learning foreign languages because of this.
    Great post and insight! I think American guys exaggerate their dialect when trying accents. Then again Johnny Depp could do it many times.
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    dewiparry wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    I'd like to find a linguistics expert to explain why Brits seem to do an OK American accent but not the reverse ("The Order" a recent example). I just cant imagine an American actor in the Bond role.

    Probably because Brits are exposed to American culture (films, TV) way more than vice versa, so the American accents are more familiar to Brits than British accents are to Americans.

    I'm a bit of a linguist, although I'm not a specialist. I suspect there are a number of factors involved. America is the dominant culture, so less likely to adapt to other realities. You see the same with French: not only they are unable to create a genuine Québec accent, but often they cannot distinguish it from a Belgium one. A Québec actor can usually neutralise his accent fairly easily if the role requires it. Then some cultures are physically more accute to sounds differences and can modulate their voice accordingly. Russians for instance are apparently better at learning foreign languages because of this.
    Great post and insight! I think American guys exaggerate their dialect when trying accents. Then again Johnny Depp could do it many times.

    Thanks! Personally I was never impressed by Johnny Depp's English accent. It's better than most, but I nothing more.

    I think another difference might be educational: I suspect the way they learn acting in the UK puts more emphasis on pronunciation, diction, rhythm, etc. If American actors use more say method acting, this might handicap them with pronunciation in a radically different accent. But this is purely an hypothesis, I don't have enough knowledge of the acting world in both countries to go further.

    That said, I have an anecdote which might be relevant. During my years at uni in the UK, we had a drama club that made a lot of productions in a year. All sorts of things, plays made by the members (often pretentious rubbish), plenty of comedies, but also a good deal of dramas, mostly Shakespeare. They made fairly solid and well received productions of Shakespeare's tragedies, but they really struggled when they produced Arthur Miller's The Crucible. They could barely remember their lines and spoke them as if they were reading. So maybe we should cut American actors some slack: how many British actor do we hear speaking with a seamless American accent?
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Hopefully it's a good showcase for Suter, great shout on him @talos7 mate, I can see him as Bond. Him and Aidan Turner are my favourites for the role

    I finally got round to finishing the BBC TV series The Game recently, it's a great showcase for Tom Hughes as a potential Bond. It was released in 2014, had Daniel stepped down after Spectre, I think he would have gotten a screentest.

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    Hughes is still only 39, but perhaps his moment has passed. I think he would made a younger, darker, Dalton style brooding Bond
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    I think there was an article claiming Broccoli asked about Hughes after seeing The Game (it's not a show I loved but I thought he was good and very Bondian in it). I've praised him in the past, think he could do something different but familiar with the role, and deserves a screen-test, although I don't think it'll be him in practice (he's a bit too subtle/brooding and doesn't quite have the swagger I think even Amazon will want with Bond). I find him an interesting actor though.
  • I wonder how they will screen test. Will it be the classic From Russia with love or something entirely different? I saw that last time out it was a scene from Goldeneye.
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    I wonder how they will screen test. Will it be the classic From Russia with love or something entirely different? I saw that last time out it was a scene from Goldeneye.

    Well, under EON they did first line screen tests for certain candidates (that’s the GE tapes that were released), then if they were picked for later stages they’d do more formal screen tests like the FRWL one, a physical one, and eventually one from the movie they’re making (so with costumes, sets etc). To be honest that’s a pretty standard way of auditioning for big roles, so I don’t know if it’ll be fundamentally different. The specifics of what material they use might, but as long as they’re auditioning and going through that process I don’t think it’ll be dissimilar.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I think there was an article claiming Broccoli asked about Hughes after seeing The Game (it's not a show I loved but I thought he was good and very Bondian in it). I've praised him in the past, think he could do something different but familiar with the role, and deserves a screen-test, although I don't think it'll be him in practice (he's a bit too subtle/brooding and doesn't quite have the swagger I think even Amazon will want with Bond). I find him an interesting actor though.

    Did she? I hadn't heard about that to be honest mate that's cool. Given his performance he does have a quality EON would look for, I think they'd have wanted someone who wasn't an obvious choice, similar to Daniel's casting.
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I think there was an article claiming Broccoli asked about Hughes after seeing The Game (it's not a show I loved but I thought he was good and very Bondian in it). I've praised him in the past, think he could do something different but familiar with the role, and deserves a screen-test, although I don't think it'll be him in practice (he's a bit too subtle/brooding and doesn't quite have the swagger I think even Amazon will want with Bond). I find him an interesting actor though.

    Did she? I hadn't heard about that to be honest mate that's cool. Given his performance he does have a quality EON would look for, I think they'd have wanted someone who wasn't an obvious choice, similar to Daniel's casting.

    Whether it was true or not is a different matter! But he was rumoured for the role around 2016, mostly due to The Game - https://www.mi6-hq.com/news/tom-hughes-is-the-latest-next-bond-actor-touted-by-the-tabloids-160901

    Obviously it’s just tabloid stuff, but I can imagine him being looked at at that time.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I think there was an article claiming Broccoli asked about Hughes after seeing The Game (it's not a show I loved but I thought he was good and very Bondian in it). I've praised him in the past, think he could do something different but familiar with the role, and deserves a screen-test, although I don't think it'll be him in practice (he's a bit too subtle/brooding and doesn't quite have the swagger I think even Amazon will want with Bond). I find him an interesting actor though.

    Did she? I hadn't heard about that to be honest mate that's cool. Given his performance he does have a quality EON would look for, I think they'd have wanted someone who wasn't an obvious choice, similar to Daniel's casting.

    Whether it was true or not is a different matter! But he was rumoured for the role around 2016, mostly due to The Game - https://www.mi6-hq.com/news/tom-hughes-is-the-latest-next-bond-actor-touted-by-the-tabloids-160901

    Obviously it’s just tabloid stuff, but I can imagine him being looked at at that time.

    Thanks mate, I don't remember that at all. He does feel like an EON pick for Bond.
    Funnily enough, Hughes says something similar to what Daniel said an interview in a 2005 about the Bond role.

    I wonder if he was one of the actors Barbara met with according to recent reports, it said she met with a few.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    At this point, what would it hurt for her to reveal with whom she met; then ag, it might hurt their chances.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Yes, at this point being favoured by the old regime might be a hindrance to someone's chances if Amazon are trying to put their own distinct stamp on it.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Maybe we'll get a James Bond multiverse movie with Idris Elba, Henry Cavill, Clive Owen, etc. Various Moneypennys (including a CGI Maxwell and a de-aged Bliss, Samantha Bond, and Harris) could be caught in a time vortex and see each of these actors doing the FRWL scene.

    Call it Oh, James!
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    OK, here's the deal. THREE yes THREE separate timeline Mature Bond films. Lazenby, Dalton and Brosnan. Each picking up on something from their own story (Lazenby) or stories (Dalton, Brosnan). Bring it on !
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    But we don't want continuity in Bond films, that's what everyone keeps saying anyway.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Self contained stories need not be independent of consistent continuity .
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    Quick question: is there any movie franchise nowadays that provides purely standalone movies? Even in the last 20-25 years? With no sequel hook, no returning villain, no bigger bad, no hidden villain, no overarching plot, nothing of the sort? I hear people wanting standalone Bond films as if it's still a thing.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Quick question: is there any movie franchise nowadays that provides purely standalone movies? Even in the last 20-25 years? With no sequel hook, no returning villain, no bigger bad, no hidden villain, no overarching plot, nothing of the sort? I hear people wanting standalone Bond films as if it's still a thing.

    If anything I’d say Bond films are much more stand alone compared to most franchises, even in the Craig era. Much like Connery’s first ones even if there are recurring plot threads/characters building towards something, each film has their own distinct locations, story etc. They have the feel of being different ‘adventures’.
  • Ludovico wrote: »
    Quick question: is there any movie franchise nowadays that provides purely standalone movies? Even in the last 20-25 years? With no sequel hook, no returning villain, no bigger bad, no hidden villain, no overarching plot, nothing of the sort? I hear people wanting standalone Bond films as if it's still a thing.

    I'd say Knives Out was a pretty stand alone film, and so was its sequel. The third film seems to be along those lines as well with only Craig coming back.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yep that's true, in a similar vein probably Ken Branagh's Poirot movies too, although I haven't seen the sequels yet. It's certainly tricky to think of many like that, especially given how many film series are running nowadays. I guess you could say Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny wasn't part of a continuing plot, but did have plenty of elements which made it richer if you did know the previous movies.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Quick question: is there any movie franchise nowadays that provides purely standalone movies? Even in the last 20-25 years? With no sequel hook, no returning villain, no bigger bad, no hidden villain, no overarching plot, nothing of the sort? I hear people wanting standalone Bond films as if it's still a thing.

    I'd say Knives Out was a pretty stand alone film, and so was its sequel. The third film seems to be along those lines as well with only Craig coming back.

    Knives Out being a whodunit, that's to be expected. And that's just one franchise.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Quick question: is there any movie franchise nowadays that provides purely standalone movies? Even in the last 20-25 years? With no sequel hook, no returning villain, no bigger bad, no hidden villain, no overarching plot, nothing of the sort? I hear people wanting standalone Bond films as if it's still a thing.

    I'd say Knives Out was a pretty stand alone film, and so was its sequel. The third film seems to be along those lines as well with only Craig coming back.

    Knives Out being a whodunit, that's to be expected. And that's just one franchise.

    Before Prometheus, there was no direct promise of Alien sequels, and the latest movie is not a direct connected sequel to the Covenant prior film. I'd also say most horror franchises do not have connected plots throughout the sequels, like The Conjuring films.
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Quick question: is there any movie franchise nowadays that provides purely standalone movies? Even in the last 20-25 years? With no sequel hook, no returning villain, no bigger bad, no hidden villain, no overarching plot, nothing of the sort? I hear people wanting standalone Bond films as if it's still a thing.

    I'd say Knives Out was a pretty stand alone film, and so was its sequel. The third film seems to be along those lines as well with only Craig coming back.

    Knives Out being a whodunit, that's to be expected. And that's just one franchise.

    Before Prometheus, there was no direct promise of Alien sequels, and the latest movie is not a direct connected sequel to the Covenant prior film. I'd also say most horror franchises do not have connected plots throughout the sequels, like The Conjuring films.

    Yeah, but very different genres. And even horror franchises often have sequel hooks.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Quick question: is there any movie franchise nowadays that provides purely standalone movies? Even in the last 20-25 years? With no sequel hook, no returning villain, no bigger bad, no hidden villain, no overarching plot, nothing of the sort? I hear people wanting standalone Bond films as if it's still a thing.

    I'd say Knives Out was a pretty stand alone film, and so was its sequel. The third film seems to be along those lines as well with only Craig coming back.

    Knives Out being a whodunit, that's to be expected. And that's just one franchise.

    Before Prometheus, there was no direct promise of Alien sequels, and the latest movie is not a direct connected sequel to the Covenant prior film. I'd also say most horror franchises do not have connected plots throughout the sequels, like The Conjuring films.

    Yeah, but very different genres. And even horror franchises often have sequel hooks.

    Ok fine. The Spiderman films, at some of them, did not set up direct sequels. Sure, they set up an ensemble that returns, but so does Bond. The stories are just continuations of the character's lives, further vignettes. Plenty of franchises and genres do this. Mission: Impossible did for 1-4. The Man From UNCLE was meant to be a franchise but did not tease an exact sequel plot, I wouldn't say. It's pretty common. Bond is maybe the best example of it, though.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Do you mean the Raimi Spider Man films? I'd say they follow on pretty closely, with the James Franco character holding a grudge against Spider Man for his father's death in the first film. That's a continuing storyline through all three. And M:I 4 picked up the story about Ethan's wife from the previous film; maybe not as core to the plot as the Franco thing but probably as connected as the Craig Bond films got.
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    mtm wrote: »
    Do you mean the Raimi Spider Man films? I'd say they follow on pretty closely, with the James Franco character holding a grudge against Spider Man for his father's death in the first film. That's a continuing storyline through all three. And M:I 4 picked up the story about Ethan's wife from the previous film; maybe not as core to the plot as the Franco thing but probably as connected as the Craig Bond films got.

    I was about yo say: the Spider-Man films certainly have a lot of continuity between them and a good amount of sequel hooks. I thjnk most if not all superhero franchises have since X Men. With Marvel, it even became absurdly high.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Continuity need not drive or connect films. I can absolutely envision a series of independent adventures where the only continuity could be the mention of an event, or character from a previous film. Even characters such as Felix, returning need not create an elaborate running story continuity.

    Indiana Jones?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Continuity need not drive or connect films. I can absolutely envision a series of independent adventures where the only continuity could be the mention of an event, or character from a previous film. Even characters such as Felix, returning need not create an elaborate running story continuity.

    Indiana Jones?

    I guess it depends how much is too much for people who say they should be standalone. I’d argue what you describe is basically what we got in the Craig films: it wasn’t a very elaborate running story. Even in QoS there’s not much of a running story apart from ‘his girlfriend died’.
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    Has anyone been watching the new BBC1 Agatha Christie adaption "Towards Zero"? Oliver Jackson Cohen plays the lead in there and I know he is a name mentioned before. 38 years old, around 6ft 3 and playing a bit of a b@stard in there. Not sure he is right but passes the no beard / chin and voice test! :)
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