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  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
    edited January 27 Posts: 4,398
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    I hate to be a spoilsport on a "petrol..." thread, but my wife and I have just decided to order a Hyundai Ioniq 5, fully electric, to replace our 2016 model Jeep Grand Cherokee. The latter just doesn't fit our amount of driving any more...only about 5,000 km per year, and overwhelmingly short trips. The diesel engine hardly ever reaches the desired temperature, and the car really guzzles diesel fuel and keeps demanding a higher-speed trip to clean the particulate filter every 300 kilometers or so. We don't have to pull a two-horse trailer any more, either, since we gave up horseback riding some years ago.

    As for electric, we now have a PV system on the roof of our house and will install a wallbox for the car in our garage. We are pretty sure that the costs of a new electric car will be far lower than those of keeping the 3-liter diesel.

    Oh, come to think of it, we will still have a 3-liter diesel even when we trade in the Jeep...we're not ready to give up our 2008 BMW 330d convertible yet. And it's not Euro 6 and doesn't have a particulate filter it could complain about ;) .

    Congratulations on the big decision to go fully EV! It may calm your nerves that our landlord of last year's holiday apartment in Austria drove just such an Ioniq 5. He was a big fan, commuted daily on the autobahn. The car uses a distance detection system to "sail" behind other cars (instead of recuperating break energy). He said if he follows a lorry/truck, the consumption goes down to almost nothing. So you should be happy. I bet you did quite some research on suitable EV cars?
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Congratulations @GoldenGun on your new Alfa! The Stelvio is a beautiful car, and as i understand it, it handles quite well too. I still have the Giulietta, as it is now officially a company car, and enjoy driving it a lot when I 'officially have to'.

    @j_w_pepper and you, sir, obvioulsy congratulations on your new EV! I have no doubt it has its' perks. I've come to really enjoy the comfort of our hybrid and indeed, like you, on the short runs, beeing able to drive electric is better for your wallet AND thec car. And the Ioniq 5 is quite a good looking car, for as far as modern cars are concerned.

  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    edited January 27 Posts: 9,200
    Thanks, @zebrafish and @CommanderRoss!

    My nerves regarding this decision are quite ok... And yes, I did quite some research (online) before deciding on this one. And Hyundai managed to basically comply with every criticism of the first model when doing the facelift. It didn't have a rear window wiper - now it does, as standard. The software didn't have a "home" button - now it does, as a physical switch. And the beep signal when going past the speed limit (automatic traffic sign recognition) cannot legally be shut off permanently, but now it's just one push of your thumb to take care of that for the trip.

    I must say that the looks of it were a major part in the decision, though without the (as per WLTP) excellent range and, quite frankly, the kind of discount (via Carwow - it seems to have worked for me!) one doesn't get on cars from Germany, nor any Czech or Spanish member of the VW group, I wouldn't have considered it. It appears like a cleanly-designed compact...yet has a larger wheelbase than our Jeep, and therefore endless room inside. And most important :o3 the transport crate for our dog fits inside ;) .
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    I saw this on other media. Indicates John Gardner was onto something.

    It was referred to as a secret feature of the 1990s era Saab. Or did it appear elsewhere?

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  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,418
    I saw this on other media. Indicates John Gardner was onto something.

    It was referred to as a secret feature of the 1990s era Saab. Or did it appear elsewhere?

    5ca6b2b304b710bb86e2ee5a7f023c67293259be.gifv

    evXrDJtYWjvWWDZwMxdAnTiUeGL0hOCK6iyzL8o0W9ApsZ-GMipB0v3907IPiq5mnpQjrchrbkCrQvAUGiEk9dbj_0I7Lfbr1UuBHSYrdEVa


    My greatgrandfather, and subsequently my grandmother, both drove a version of that SAAB in the picture. I think ot was 900 Turbo. It was built in 1982 and went well into the 2000's.

    I love SAAB, it remains my favourite ever non-Italian car manufacturer, such a loss that it's not around anymore :( Always warms my heart if I happen to see one around.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I had two 900 Turbos, the face lifted version of that one, so late 80s and an early 90s Aero. I really loved them, great cars.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 2,660
    V12 Aston Martin vs MG Cyberster drag race

    Can 12 cylinders topple China's fastest convertible
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,647
    V12 Aston Martin vs MG Cyberster drag race

    Can 12 cylinders topple China's fastest convertible

    Seems the main problem is the electric having all the torque from the start and 4wd. So, results as expected, really.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 2,660
    V12 Aston Martin vs MG Cyberster drag race

    Can 12 cylinders topple China's fastest convertible

    Seems the main problem is the electric having all the torque from the start and 4wd. So, results as expected, really.

    No grip in the damp conditions by the $300k Aston is embarrassing.
    Maybe it's time they do a Jaguar and go electric ?
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,647
    V12 Aston Martin vs MG Cyberster drag race

    Can 12 cylinders topple China's fastest convertible

    Seems the main problem is the electric having all the torque from the start and 4wd. So, results as expected, really.

    No grip in the damp conditions by the $300k Aston is embarrassing.
    Maybe it's time they do a Jaguar and go electric ?

    I disagree, if you're on the damp with cold tires, this is what you get. It's exaclty why 4wd was invented for - more grip in less-than-ideal circumstances. Astons are not built for dragraces. But as you saw, the Chinese car would lose if the dragrace would've been just a couple of meters longer. And probably in the dry as well.

    No doubt they'll go electric too sooner or later, there's little choice, as hydrogen powered cars don't have the infrastructure, and gasoline is going out of fashion. Allthough perhaps a small share will remain, I don't know. But like with aeroplanes and trains, it's just a new age and steam engines (trains) or rotary props have all but completely gone now.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 2,660
    V12 Aston Martin vs MG Cyberster drag race

    Can 12 cylinders topple China's fastest convertible

    Seems the main problem is the electric having all the torque from the start and 4wd. So, results as expected, really.

    No grip in the damp conditions by the $300k Aston is embarrassing.
    Maybe it's time they do a Jaguar and go electric ?

    I disagree, if you're on the damp with cold tires, this is what you get. It's exaclty why 4wd was invented for - more grip in less-than-ideal circumstances. Astons are not built for dragraces. But as you saw, the Chinese car would lose if the dragrace would've been just a couple of meters longer. And probably in the dry as well.

    No doubt they'll go electric too sooner or later, there's little choice, as hydrogen powered cars don't have the infrastructure, and gasoline is going out of fashion. Allthough perhaps a small share will remain, I don't know. But like with aeroplanes and trains, it's just a new age and steam engines (trains) or rotary props have all but completely gone now.


    I think it's only in the rolling race where the Aston gets close to the MG ?
    Maybe they switched traction control off in the Aston ?

    Hydrogen is dead.
    Toyota is on the receiving end of a class action lawsuit in California, with owners of the hydrogen-powered Mirai claiming they were misled about the state the infrastructure to support refuelling when buying their cars.

    https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/hydrogen-carmakers-face-legal-battle-in-california
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
    edited February 17 Posts: 4,398
    If you love barn finds, then head over to the Late Break Show and be surprised what else they find in a suitcase at around the 13 minute mark.


  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
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    Jaguar Type 00 spotted on the Street for the First Time
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,594
    I think seeing it in the real world sort of confirms that, if they do build it, it can't look like that. You can't have no room for suspension travel like that.
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    mtm wrote: »
    I think seeing it in the real world sort of confirms that, if they do build it, it can't look like that. You can't have no room for suspension travel like that.
    I was thinking the same thing. Certainly it wouldn’t sell in San Francisco ;)
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,200
    This is an atrocity that rivals the Cybertruck in its ugliness.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 14,111
    Eugh.... no thanks. I'll take an XJ-S though.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 2,660
    mtm wrote: »
    I think seeing it in the real world sort of confirms that, if they do build it, it can't look like that. You can't have no room for suspension travel like that.

    Maybe it's got hydraulic/air suspension that raises the ground clearance ?
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,418
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    This is an atrocity that rivals the Cybertruck in its ugliness.

    Exactly. It's just a block on wheels. Jags used to be known for their elegance, now they seem to go fo showy and/or vulgar.
  • Posts: 6,811
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    This is an atrocity that rivals the Cybertruck in its ugliness.
    Eugh.... no thanks. I'll take an XJ-S though.
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    This is an atrocity that rivals the Cybertruck in its ugliness.

    Exactly. It's just a block on wheels. Jags used to be known for their elegance, now they seem to go fo showy and/or vulgar.


    It is an atrocity, an aberration. Even more so because of the brand's significance for true petrolheads and car aficionados.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,594
    mtm wrote: »
    I think seeing it in the real world sort of confirms that, if they do build it, it can't look like that. You can't have no room for suspension travel like that.

    Maybe it's got hydraulic/air suspension that raises the ground clearance ?

    Well it's more that the body wouldn't allow it: the wheelarches surround the wheels at the bottom so they wouldn't have room to move up and down.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    Posts: 1,773
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I think seeing it in the real world sort of confirms that, if they do build it, it can't look like that. You can't have no room for suspension travel like that.

    Maybe it's got hydraulic/air suspension that raises the ground clearance ?

    Well it's more that the body wouldn't allow it: the wheelarches surround the wheels at the bottom so they wouldn't have room to move up and down.

    You can see closer to production is different in the test mules that have been reported:
    jaguar-ev-based-on-type-00-concept-spy-shots--photo-via-baldauf_100956069_h.webp
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Ah thank you, yeah that looks more like a usable car! :)
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,200
    Still it doesn't look like what I'd expect from a Jaguar. Sports cars that appear nimble rather than muscular, and saloons/sedans that are at least somewhat sleeker than your usual premium brands.
  • Posts: 6,098
    Agreed, it's an eyesore, and I say that as a longtime admirer of the brand.

    Today, I saw something peculiar : two Renault 5 E-tech parked on the same street, one on the curb, the other in a house driveway, and both canary yellow to boot :

    photo-page-ciadines-electriques-main.webp

    I find it bulkier than the original Renault 5 from the '80s (my parents had one), but still, not bad.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,594
    I think those R5s are really cool. Quite affordable too, they should be a big hit.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,647
    mtm wrote: »
    I think those R5s are really cool. Quite affordable too, they should be a big hit.

    Think so too. They'll definitely rival with the electric mini's.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 2,660
    Gerard wrote: »
    Agreed, it's an eyesore, and I say that as a longtime admirer of the brand.

    Today, I saw something peculiar : two Renault 5 E-tech parked on the same street, one on the curb, the other in a house driveway, and both canary yellow to boot :

    photo-page-ciadines-electriques-main.webp

    I find it bulkier than the original Renault 5 from the '80s (my parents had one), but still, not bad.

    renault-5-e-tech-electric-12.jpg?width=1024&height=682
    It comes with a nice baguette holder too........ 🥖👍
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I hope that doesn't mean it's doing 47mph with no one driving!
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,418
    Gerard wrote: »
    Agreed, it's an eyesore, and I say that as a longtime admirer of the brand.

    Today, I saw something peculiar : two Renault 5 E-tech parked on the same street, one on the curb, the other in a house driveway, and both canary yellow to boot :

    photo-page-ciadines-electriques-main.webp

    I find it bulkier than the original Renault 5 from the '80s (my parents had one), but still, not bad.

    renault-5-e-tech-electric-12.jpg?width=1024&height=682
    It comes with a nice baguette holder too........ 🥖👍

    Quite nice, this Renault! Look Jaguar, this is how you do a modern take without losing your brand identity.

    (Although I must say Renault lost their identity in the 2000's, just like its countrymen Peugeot and Citroën did. Sweet Mother, they made some hideous things in those days. Lately all of them seem to have gone back to the drawing board and I must say there are a few interesting French cars around these days.)
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