Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited March 20 Posts: 2,365
    patb wrote: »
    Linked to this, by sticking rigidly to the "Bond look", it reduces the small talent pool to a tiny talent pool. (IMHO I dont thnk we are overwhelmed with decent candidates at the moment) I think most casual Bond/movie fans care more about the whole movie expereince rather than a perfect visual representation of the Fleming Bond.

    Yes @mtm Keaton before Pattinson had the same disapproval from fans as well. Also, right about Jackman's Wolverine too @007HallY But Dougray Scott was the first choice, he would have also been great, I think.
    @patb I think Bond 7 should be given the Bond and Severine Macau casino scene too to perform in his screen test. That's one of my favourite scenes in the series.
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    patb wrote: »
    Linked to this, by sticking rigidly to the "Bond look", it reduces the small talent pool to a tiny talent pool. (IMHO I dont thnk we are overwhelmed with decent candidates at the moment) I think most casual Bond/movie fans care more about the whole movie expereince rather than a perfect visual representation of the Fleming Bond.

    I miss the days when Cubby could choose between Brosnan and Dalton.
  • Posts: 61
    There's a few details to get right and it's probably too much to ask.

    Dangerous face
    Sharp jawline
    Alluring stare
    Precise eyebrows
    Defined nose
    Effortless haircut
    Piercing eyes
    Commanding chest
    Composed physique
    Expressive hands
    Solid legs
    Insane presence
    Magnetic energy
    Unshakable composure
    Secret smirk
    Weighted voice
    Swag walk
    Aesthetic silhouette
  • edited March 20 Posts: 4,851
    He never had the pleasure of choosing between only Dalton or Brosnan. Brosnan’s Remington Steele contract prompted Broccoli (by his own instincts anyway) to have to rescind the offer. Dalton had to be convinced to audition and they had dozens of other possibilities (not all of whom were likely as good as those two).
    dewiparry wrote: »
    There's a few details to get right and it's probably too much to ask.

    Dangerous face
    Sharp jawline
    Alluring stare
    Precise eyebrows
    Defined nose
    Effortless haircut
    Piercing eyes
    Commanding chest
    Composed physique
    Expressive hands
    Solid legs
    Insane presence
    Magnetic energy
    Unshakable composure
    Secret smirk
    Weighted voice
    Swag walk
    Aesthetic silhouette

    I think even with all these, things like Dalton’s badger haircut in LTK and Connery’s bushy brows in DAF jar with the precise eyebrows and effortless haircut. Brosnan didn’t exactly have a commanding chest or composed physique in GE (or in general really). Same for Dalton... I’m sure there are many other examples.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    He never had the pleasure of choosing between only Dalton or Brosnan. Brosnan’s Remington Steele contract prompted Broccoli (by his own instincts anyway) to have to rescind the offer. Dalton had to be convinced to audition and they had dozens of other possibilities (not all of whom were likely as good as those two).

    Technically, he did choose. Brosnan could have played both Remington Steele and Bond.
  • Posts: 4,851
    007HallY wrote: »
    He never had the pleasure of choosing between only Dalton or Brosnan. Brosnan’s Remington Steele contract prompted Broccoli (by his own instincts anyway) to have to rescind the offer. Dalton had to be convinced to audition and they had dozens of other possibilities (not all of whom were likely as good as those two).

    Technically, he did choose. Brosnan could have played both Remington Steele and Bond.

    Technically I guess. The point is I don’t think that casting choice came down to two wonderful candidates with the switch being easy. It’s never straightforward.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 20 Posts: 17,477
    patb wrote: »
    Linked to this, by sticking rigidly to the "Bond look", it reduces the small talent pool to a tiny talent pool. (IMHO I dont thnk we are overwhelmed with decent candidates at the moment) I think most casual Bond/movie fans care more about the whole movie expereince rather than a perfect visual representation of the Fleming Bond.

    @patb I think Bond 7 should be given the Bond and Severine Macau casino scene too to perform in his screen test. That's one of my favourite scenes in the series.

    That's a great idea, yes there's lot of layers to be played in there, along with trad Bond cool. He gets to show a hint of his dangerous side a bit more there than in other pieces they've used for auditions.
    007HallY wrote: »
    He never had the pleasure of choosing between only Dalton or Brosnan. Brosnan’s Remington Steele contract prompted Broccoli (by his own instincts anyway) to have to rescind the offer. Dalton had to be convinced to audition and they had dozens of other possibilities (not all of whom were likely as good as those two).
    dewiparry wrote: »
    There's a few details to get right and it's probably too much to ask.

    Dangerous face
    Sharp jawline
    Alluring stare
    Precise eyebrows
    Defined nose
    Effortless haircut
    Piercing eyes
    Commanding chest
    Composed physique
    Expressive hands
    Solid legs
    Insane presence
    Magnetic energy
    Unshakable composure
    Secret smirk
    Weighted voice
    Swag walk
    Aesthetic silhouette

    I think even with all these, things like Dalton’s badger haircut in LTK and Connery’s bushy brows in DAF jar with the precise eyebrows and effortless haircut. Brosnan didn’t exactly have a commanding chest or composed physique in GE (or in general really). Same for Dalton... I’m sure there are many other examples.

    I'm very much enjoying the idea of an 'effortless haircut' though. I guess you could say that's what Sean Connery had quite naturally.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,732
    Personally I want someone who looks the part, but not at the expense of their ability to act

    I think the physicality is the thing that can be worked on the most, look at Craig, provided they hire someone who's willing to throw themselves into the role like Craig we'll be fine
  • Posts: 1,755
    mtm wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    Linked to this, by sticking rigidly to the "Bond look", it reduces the small talent pool to a tiny talent pool. (IMHO I dont thnk we are overwhelmed with decent candidates at the moment) I think most casual Bond/movie fans care more about the whole movie expereince rather than a perfect visual representation of the Fleming Bond.

    @patb I think Bond 7 should be given the Bond and Severine Macau casino scene too to perform in his screen test. That's one of my favourite scenes in the series.

    That's a great idea, yes there's lot of layers to be played in there, along with trad Bond cool. He gets to show a hint of his dangerous side a bit more there than in other pieces they've used for auditions.
    007HallY wrote: »
    He never had the pleasure of choosing between only Dalton or Brosnan. Brosnan’s Remington Steele contract prompted Broccoli (by his own instincts anyway) to have to rescind the offer. Dalton had to be convinced to audition and they had dozens of other possibilities (not all of whom were likely as good as those two).
    dewiparry wrote: »
    There's a few details to get right and it's probably too much to ask.

    Dangerous face
    Sharp jawline
    Alluring stare
    Precise eyebrows
    Defined nose
    Effortless haircut
    Piercing eyes
    Commanding chest
    Composed physique
    Expressive hands
    Solid legs
    Insane presence
    Magnetic energy
    Unshakable composure
    Secret smirk
    Weighted voice
    Swag walk
    Aesthetic silhouette

    I think even with all these, things like Dalton’s badger haircut in LTK and Connery’s bushy brows in DAF jar with the precise eyebrows and effortless haircut. Brosnan didn’t exactly have a commanding chest or composed physique in GE (or in general really). Same for Dalton... I’m sure there are many other examples.

    I'm very much enjoying the idea of an 'effortless haircut' though. I guess you could say that's what Sean Connery had quite naturally.

    They're getting hair transplants now. I mean, Theo James has more hair now than he did a few years ago!

    I'm sure Cavill needs some help too.

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    Should have put - Effortless chest hair.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
    edited March 20 Posts: 737
    I can say from experience that Brosnan's GE haircut is not effortless. It takes ages.
    mtm wrote: »
    Yep, good post.
    The thing about Bond as well is there's this sort of 'Bond type' which has been defined, a particular sort of slightly grizzled, chiselled, dark-haired man, somewhere between Lazenby and Dalton, and that's really only come about because of the films and the various Milk Tray man-style 007 spoofs etc. over the years-

    This guy basically:

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  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    edited March 21 Posts: 725
    Denbigh wrote: »
    But the whole discussion surrounding attractiveness is subjective anyway? So what does it matter if you personally don’t find them attractive this time round? I don’t find Lazenby or Moore to be attractive whatsoever, but there were people that did. So, when it comes to Callum Turner or whoever, while some here might not find them attractive, there’s an audience that does.

    Also, I don’t really see where this whole “an ugly actor […] somehow going to get more interesting films” thing has come from? I haven’t seen that. Again if you don’t find the suggestions attractive, then that’s fine. It’s subjective. I don’t understand the logic that Callum, for example, is ugly, but each to their own, and I definitely don’t think there’s some kind of “the uglier, the more interesting” agenda, we just have different tastes?

    Don't be so daft, Are you suggesting that Lazenby and Moore are not handsome? Callum Turner does not meet the measure of handsome that most of the Bonds do.
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Are looks the number one priority for folks?

    everybond-1.jpg

    I would generally prefer Bond stay tall, dark and handsome. I loved Craig, and I understand the reaction to his initial casting, but he cleaned up quite well for the part. However, Daniel blew Barbara away with his gravitas. I don't see any of these ugly blokes being mentioned rising to that level. I think Craig was a special case and we shouldn't stray from our understanding of the character just because a few feel we have to cast a non-conventionally attractive actor after Craig.

    Is that a yes?
    For me it’s whether they can do the job of starring in a lead role of a movie. They should fit the bill physically of course, but I think just looking at photos of people and saying their nose is the wrong shape isn’t a judge of whether they’ll be an effective movie star. Someone's looks aren't a sign of 'gravitas' either way.

    I don't know if you noticed but most of the Bonds are very handsome. Ideally you want someone who's both handsome and a good actor with charisma and a sense of humour. We don't have to cast the widest possible net. That's not how Cubby did it. If looks don't matter, then let's cast Andy Serkis in the role. He's a great actor.
    007HallY wrote: »
    ‘Tall, dark and handsome’ can have millions of variations too potentially. Personally I think someone like Moore (who had lighter hair anyway) looks and comes off as very different to Connery, and Dalton different to those two. On the flip side I’ve always said Craig wasn’t quite as far from a more typical Bond imagine as many may believe. He had the right colour eyes, a ‘cruel mouth’, and people here have put his image alongside the Fleming illustration and seen the similarities.

    Let's hear one of your variations on tall, dark and handsome. Yes, please explain.

    If you guys don't know what James Bond looks like, then I don't know why we aren't debating whether James should bicycle around instead of using a car.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,477
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Are looks the number one priority for folks?

    everybond-1.jpg

    I would generally prefer Bond stay tall, dark and handsome. I loved Craig, and I understand the reaction to his initial casting, but he cleaned up quite well for the part. However, Daniel blew Barbara away with his gravitas. I don't see any of these ugly blokes being mentioned rising to that level. I think Craig was a special case and we shouldn't stray from our understanding of the character just because a few feel we have to cast a non-conventionally attractive actor after Craig.

    Is that a yes?
    For me it’s whether they can do the job of starring in a lead role of a movie. They should fit the bill physically of course, but I think just looking at photos of people and saying their nose is the wrong shape isn’t a judge of whether they’ll be an effective movie star. Someone's looks aren't a sign of 'gravitas' either way.

    I don't know if you noticed but most of the Bonds are very handsome. Ideally you want someone who's both handsome and a good actor with charisma and a sense of humour. We don't have to cast the widest possible net. That's not how Cubby did it. If looks don't matter, then let's cast Andy Serkis in the role. He's a great actor.

    Not sure what you're on about, no one suggested looks don't matter. What I said is 'they should fit the bill physically' but getting hung up on whether someone has the right nose or not isn't what it's all about, and what I asked was whether looks are the main priority or not as it seems to be the main thing being judged in this thread, and I don't think they should be- quite a few of us made that point and agreed and no one had be called daft or shouted down. If the guy can act cool and sophisticated and in control and convince me he's James Bond then that's what I want. Whether he's the dead spit of Timothy Dalton or not I'm less interested in.

    That we have a group of what I assume are mostly fully grown men debating whether another man is handsome enough or not seems faintly silly :)
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    edited March 21 Posts: 725
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Are looks the number one priority for folks?

    everybond-1.jpg

    I would generally prefer Bond stay tall, dark and handsome. I loved Craig, and I understand the reaction to his initial casting, but he cleaned up quite well for the part. However, Daniel blew Barbara away with his gravitas. I don't see any of these ugly blokes being mentioned rising to that level. I think Craig was a special case and we shouldn't stray from our understanding of the character just because a few feel we have to cast a non-conventionally attractive actor after Craig.

    Is that a yes?
    For me it’s whether they can do the job of starring in a lead role of a movie. They should fit the bill physically of course, but I think just looking at photos of people and saying their nose is the wrong shape isn’t a judge of whether they’ll be an effective movie star. Someone's looks aren't a sign of 'gravitas' either way.

    I don't know if you noticed but most of the Bonds are very handsome. Ideally you want someone who's both handsome and a good actor with charisma and a sense of humour. We don't have to cast the widest possible net. That's not how Cubby did it. If looks don't matter, then let's cast Andy Serkis in the role. He's a great actor.

    Not sure what you're on about, no one suggested looks don't matter. What I said is 'they should fit the bill physically' but getting hung up on whether someone has the right nose or not isn't what it's all about, and what I asked was whether looks are the main priority or not as it seems to be the main thing being judged in this thread, and I don't think they should be- quite a few of us made that point and agreed and no one had be called daft or shouted down. If the guy can act cool and sophisticated and in control and convince me he's James Bond then that's what I want. Whether he's the dead spit of Timothy Dalton or not I'm less interested in.

    That we have a group of what I assume are mostly fully grown men debating whether another man is handsome enough or not seems faintly silly :)

    Rather silly for you to suggest you haven't been the one banging the drum for how looks don't matter. What I've said is in conjunction with looks, we should also look for somebody who's a good actor and we shouldn't look at a candidate who has one but not the other. That's how you narrow down the pool. I don't care what pecking order you put looks and acting ability, he should have both.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,477
    Okay dear.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,588
    The right Bond actor should be someone both men and women want to shag. ;)

    That was Connery, and that was Craig.
  • edited March 21 Posts: 4,851
    Denbigh wrote: »
    But the whole discussion surrounding attractiveness is subjective anyway? So what does it matter if you personally don’t find them attractive this time round? I don’t find Lazenby or Moore to be attractive whatsoever, but there were people that did. So, when it comes to Callum Turner or whoever, while some here might not find them attractive, there’s an audience that does.

    Also, I don’t really see where this whole “an ugly actor […] somehow going to get more interesting films” thing has come from? I haven’t seen that. Again if you don’t find the suggestions attractive, then that’s fine. It’s subjective. I don’t understand the logic that Callum, for example, is ugly, but each to their own, and I definitely don’t think there’s some kind of “the uglier, the more interesting” agenda, we just have different tastes?

    Don't be so daft, Are you suggesting that Lazenby and Moore are not handsome? Callum Turner does not meet the measure of handsome that most of the Bonds do.
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Are looks the number one priority for folks?

    everybond-1.jpg

    I would generally prefer Bond stay tall, dark and handsome. I loved Craig, and I understand the reaction to his initial casting, but he cleaned up quite well for the part. However, Daniel blew Barbara away with his gravitas. I don't see any of these ugly blokes being mentioned rising to that level. I think Craig was a special case and we shouldn't stray from our understanding of the character just because a few feel we have to cast a non-conventionally attractive actor after Craig.

    Is that a yes?
    For me it’s whether they can do the job of starring in a lead role of a movie. They should fit the bill physically of course, but I think just looking at photos of people and saying their nose is the wrong shape isn’t a judge of whether they’ll be an effective movie star. Someone's looks aren't a sign of 'gravitas' either way.

    I don't know if you noticed but most of the Bonds are very handsome. Ideally you want someone who's both handsome and a good actor with charisma and a sense of humour. We don't have to cast the widest possible net. That's not how Cubby did it. If looks don't matter, then let's cast Andy Serkis in the role. He's a great actor.
    007HallY wrote: »
    ‘Tall, dark and handsome’ can have millions of variations too potentially. Personally I think someone like Moore (who had lighter hair anyway) looks and comes off as very different to Connery, and Dalton different to those two. On the flip side I’ve always said Craig wasn’t quite as far from a more typical Bond imagine as many may believe. He had the right colour eyes, a ‘cruel mouth’, and people here have put his image alongside the Fleming illustration and seen the similarities.

    Let's hear one of your variations on tall, dark and handsome. Yes, please explain.

    If you guys don't know what James Bond looks like, then I don't know why we aren't debating whether James should bicycle around instead of using a car.

    I said in the post you’re quoting Moore looks different to Connery etc. Each Bond gives a different impression and looks distinctive even under the ‘tall dark and handsome’ description. :)

    What would you say James Bond looks like and links all the actors out of interest? Like, very specifically. Because when we get into specifics of appearance I’m seeing differences between these actors even if they all are (and Bond has to be ultimately) good looking.

    My suspicion is we as fans overcomplicate the casting process with our obsession about jawlines and lists of contradictory criterias, or simply the fact we - most of us men I presume - don’t think certain actors are attractive (which means very little, especially when a broader audience do think many of these people are). It’s quite interesting you brought up Cubby not casting a wide net when casting (worth saying he considered some very odd candidates anyway, including Americans). That misses the point of him taking a risk on a balding Scottish actor with charisma, or an unknown Australian who could throw a good punch. He used his instincts as a producer to look at the actors available to him and saw in them that sense of sex appeal, gravitas, charisma, physicality etc. BB did the same with Craig. That’s what it comes down to - do they have Bond potential and give off those qualities? In that sense no, Andy Serkis can’t play Bond just because he’s a great actor, and that too misses the point. Ultimately picking the actor can be a wide net in practice (insofar as it’s not a science).
  • Posts: 15,455
    Fact of the matter is, casting a role is a recipe, not a list. You find a suitable actor, overall appearance is important, but it's one aspect of the role.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
    edited March 22 Posts: 737
    I should mention that I don't take issue with Callum Turner or Paul Mescal's looks, despite being unimpressed by both of them (I was just using the former as an example of how we can all get distracted by appearances, myself included).

    Turner, I think is actually pretty conventional looking, Bond-wise; tall, lean, dark-haired, narrow face, etc. Mescal's rounder face and stockier build is a little more unconventional, but no more so than someone like Oliver Reed, who I think would've made a fantastic Bond back in the day.

    The point is, plenty of women find them attractive, which is what matters. When we start getting into jawline shapes, nose width, etc., this starts to look like a looksmaxing forum.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,477
    I’ve not heard of looksmaxing, sounds like something to leave uninvestigated! I agree though, I haven’t seen Gladiator 2 but I understand Mescal didn’t really deliver a star performance; but if he had I’d have no objection to him being Bond because of his looks as he has a pretty big following of women swooning over him, and that’s good enough for me.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited March 22 Posts: 2,365
    mtm wrote: »
    I’ve not heard of looksmaxing, sounds like something to leave uninvestigated! I agree though, I haven’t seen Gladiator 2 but I understand Mescal didn’t really deliver a star performance; but if he had I’d have no objection to him being Bond because of his looks as he has a pretty big following of women swooning over him, and that’s good enough for me.

    Yeah. I've seen Gladiator 2 and true, Mescal didn't deliver. He wasn't even half as good as Crowe in the first one. Denzel Washington was the one running the show. Scott should have gotten someone like Barry Keoghan instead of Mescal...since he wanted a young actor.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 22 Posts: 17,477
    Yeah good shout, I can imagine Keoghan doing well in it.

    Lots of speculation around that David Heyman becoming one of the new producers could mean his two-time collaborator Alfonso Cuaron may direct, but he also recently produced a hit movie starring Timothée Chalamet… 😜
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    It was just an off the cuff list, guys, of what I think are desireables. Some were humourous and personal to me like solid legs.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited March 22 Posts: 2,365
    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah good shout, I can imagine Keoghan doing well in it.

    Lots of speculation around that David Heyman becoming one of the new producers could mean his two-time collaborator Alfonso Cuaron may direct, but he also recently produced a hit movie starring Timothée Chalamet… 😜

    Lol. I get the cheeky message. Yeah, the latest news of those two producers, means Amazon aren't as stupid as we think, Lol.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,477
    Yeah I must admit I feel a little more confident we won’t get a bland Bond.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,365
    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah I must admit I feel a little more confident we won’t get a bland Bond.

    Yeah. Me too.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited March 22 Posts: 6,588
    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah I must admit I feel a little more confident we won’t get a bland Bond.

    Agreed. I think Pascal, because she was there for CR, will want to find a good actor to play Bond--the next Craig, if you will. And she clearly understands that the success of CR started with the script, and Fleming.

    I'm cautiously optimistic for the first time in a while.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited March 22 Posts: 5,978
    Denbigh wrote: »
    But the whole discussion surrounding attractiveness is subjective anyway? So what does it matter if you personally don’t find them attractive this time round? I don’t find Lazenby or Moore to be attractive whatsoever, but there were people that did. So, when it comes to Callum Turner or whoever, while some here might not find them attractive, there’s an audience that does.

    Also, I don’t really see where this whole “an ugly actor […] somehow going to get more interesting films” thing has come from? I haven’t seen that. Again if you don’t find the suggestions attractive, then that’s fine. It’s subjective. I don’t understand the logic that Callum, for example, is ugly, but each to their own, and I definitely don’t think there’s some kind of “the uglier, the more interesting” agenda, we just have different tastes?

    Don't be so daft, Are you suggesting that Lazenby and Moore are not handsome? Callum Turner does not meet the measure of handsome that most of the Bonds do.
    I'm not being daft @Daltonforyou, it's subjective. I don't find Lazenby and Moore attractive, and I think Callum Turner is? You might not agree, but there's nothing daft about it...
  • edited March 22 Posts: 4,851
    I'm not sure if anyone can seriously look at Callum Turner and say he's not good looking/attractive to at least a portion of people. Again, not saying we ourselves have to find him so (many of us as heterosexual men won't find any of these men attractive/have quite that gut feeling about their appeal in this area, nor do many of us necessarily want to be them at the current time as they're not playing Bond). That said when you have an actor who's been a model for big brands, has been cast in certain film/tv roles where being good looking/traditionally handsome is a part of it, and literally has people giving him write ups stating he's good looking, and still claim he's average or not up to some standard of handsomeness, I get the sense there's a lack of objectivity there... That's not even mentioning anything like his potential to play the role (which not everyone will see short of him actually playing the character, as is the case with all the actors mentioned here. Personally I get the sense he could be a great Bond).
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,345
    I’m not a fan of Callum Turner and don’t think he’d make a good James Bond.
    It’s just my opinion of him as a person and an actor. I’m not sold. It’s nothing personal.
    If he were cast I would feel disappointed.
    I’d still watch his films and may even enjoy them. Who knows.
    But he’s not an actor I see as a potential Bond.
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