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  • patbpatb
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    Possible to triumph in one last mission despite having lost a step, a different type of hero, a different type of bravery. "Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will" Yes, some sadness at the end but positivity in a successful mission and career. Bittersweet and emotional but not sad. It would be a different style of Bond, I agree but, it does not involve anything silly...like killing him off.
  • Scaramanga1974Scaramanga1974
    edited March 20 Posts: 844
    patb wrote: »
    Possible to triumph in one last mission despite having lost a step, a different type of hero, a different type of bravery. "Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will" Yes, some sadness at the end but positivity in a successful mission and career. Bittersweet and emotional but not sad. It would be a different style of Bond, I agree but, it does not involve anything silly...like killing him off.

    I don’t think it was silly at all. It was a bold move. Craig wouldn’t have made the film otherwise
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited March 20 Posts: 4,851
    patb wrote: »
    @mtm yes, SF is so clever, it's multilayered so I agree with your comments but, at the same time, it does deal with Bond's age and his ability to operate ("It's a young man's game. Look, you've been seriously injured. There's no shame in saying you've lost a step.") . of course, due to the context of the Craig era, they have to reverse this (which is sort of weird) so he is up for the fight, ready for the next movie so they kind of quit on that theme. With a genuinely mature Bond, they could have carried that thread through with a Bond who really had lost a step and would not be getting it back (as would the actor not be getting the role back so we see a synergy between the arc of the actor and the character), leading to a better connection with the themes of age etc and possibly a greater level of empathy from the audience with the character. Ironically, PB was too young them to carry that theme (but too old now).

    To be honest, I think a lot of people overthink the whole age thing with SF. It's Bond in his early 40s (so mid-career as 007) after a really bad mission. It's pretty much Brosnan's Bond in GE (albeit with the injuries etc). He overcomes his injury and proves the new guard wrong/continues. I'm not sure why a Bond film wouldn't want Bond to overcome the fact that he's lost a step.

    Even NTTD gave us a Bond in his 50s. He wasn't young, but he was still physically capable. A Bond in his 70s is a completely different thing. I think it would have to touch upon something melancholic to work. Or be a sort of 'old man Bond' type thing, which I don't think many people really want to see in practice. I don't think it would work or get a good enough development.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    edited March 21 Posts: 1,755
    An older Bond is possible but it would require a lot of stunt doubles and probably a young sidekick.

    You just have to make a lot of "I'm too old for this sh*t" jokes.

  • QuipBranchQuipBranch USA
    Posts: 10
    Scaramanga1974 wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    Possible to triumph in one last mission despite having lost a step, a different type of hero, a different type of bravery. "Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will" Yes, some sadness at the end but positivity in a successful mission and career. Bittersweet and emotional but not sad. It would be a different style of Bond, I agree but, it does not involve anything silly...like killing him off.

    I don’t think it was silly at all. It was a bold move. Craig wouldn’t have made the film otherwise

    I feel like killing off Bond, if it had to happen, would only be acceptable if it was known if the movie was the series finale, which it doesn’t look like it was.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Too bad there isn't a loose end from the Dalton or Brosnan eras that could blow up and require Bond to come out of retirement to deal with it. Something like what they did in NTTD. Higher and clearer stakes.

    The only somewhat loose end was Koskov surviving at the end of TLD. Could he return or cause an issue that requires Bond to return?

    I like the idea of EON at least acknowledging the actor as he ages in the role. To ignore it or take it nowhere seems odd to me. If we do bring back Dalton or Brosnan please no "de-aging". I haven't seen a good one yet in film.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 21 Posts: 17,477
    I guess, to play devil's advocate for the idea (because I really don't want it!), if Brosnan's Bond came back then it would be quite fun to get Michelle Yeoh back to reprise Wai Lin, now in some sort of very senior role in the Chinese military or Secret Service- you could imagine her playing the role that Felix does in NTTD where she comes and finds the retired Bond to try and get him to help her with something or other (Monaco as a retirement location for BrosBond? Alps maybe?). Colin Salmon or Michael Kitchen as M- or even Samantha Bond actually, might make for a more interesting dynamic.
    It's really hard to imagine a version which wouldn't be a NTTD retread though. Maybe you go Bourne Supremacy route and have Bond being framed for something so he has to return to sort it out.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 14,232
    My longtime idea is the filmmakers should put together a short feature between cinema releases. More serious than the Olympics and "Happy and Glorious".

    In advance of selecting the next Bond actor, that's also the case for Brosnan or Dalton, both could have their due. A clever story told with flashes of action, something that doesn't extend to a full movie or fit into one. It also wouldn't be a spinoff or extension of the Bondiverse. It would be Bond.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 14,104
    I... and this might come as a surprise, I wouldn't want to see Dalton back. That window has long since closed. His return should have been 1991-95. And as that didn't happen, I would rather think of Dalton as he was in TLD/LTK, not see an older Dalton:Bond. We all succumb to the ravages of time, and I simply wouldn't want it reflecting that strongly in Bond.

    Now a Reunion With Death videogame taking place in 1991, that would be different matter entirely.

    As for Brosnan coming back. No, because he had his four goes. Bond needs new blood.
  • InTheWindInTheWind
    Posts: 45
    I am 100% on board with Brosnan returning. Bond comes out of retirement for one last mission.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,508
    I'd love Brosnan if it comes to that.
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
    Posts: 768
    I wouldn't want an old Bond movie for three reasons.
    1. We've already had three movies in a row about Bond being old and outdated.
    2. Dalton is 79, Brosnan is 71. That's simply too old to convincingly do action. By comparison, Old Connery was 52 in NSNA.
    3. I prefer to remember Dalton's and Brosnan's Bonds when they were in their prime, not as has-beens coming back for one last romp.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,438
    I don't think there's a shot of this happening or that it should, but if it were to happen I would be there on opening night.

    I think that the only option would be Brosnan; he has a broader appeal.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    edited March 25 Posts: 7,318
    I'd be more interested in seeing Brosnan return for one last go than a Moneypenny series. I wouldn't want it to interfere with Bond 26 though, so the timing would have to be just right. Perhaps make it a series so you could spend the right amount of time catching up with other characters from his tenure, although that could come off as bad fan fiction if not done right.

    And of course, you'd run the risk of the codename theory gaining more traction if you do this concurrently with the new Bond actor's run. Probably a bad idea all around, as others have said, but I can't claim that I wouldn't be watching.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    Posts: 1,755
    talos7 wrote: »
    I don't think there's a shot of this happening or that it should, but if it were to happen I would be there on opening night.

    I think that the only option would be Brosnan; he has a broader appeal.

    A CGI Connery is more likely than Dalton's return.
  • RyanRyan Canada
    Posts: 694
    thedove wrote: »
    Too bad there isn't a loose end from the Dalton or Brosnan eras that could blow up and require Bond to come out of retirement to deal with it. Something like what they did in NTTD. Higher and clearer stakes.

    The only somewhat loose end was Koskov surviving at the end of TLD. Could he return or cause an issue that requires Bond to return?

    I like the idea of EON at least acknowledging the actor as he ages in the role. To ignore it or take it nowhere seems odd to me. If we do bring back Dalton or Brosnan please no "de-aging". I haven't seen a good one yet in film.

    Koskov is up to something... and the film is called "Death To Spies."

    If Tim was even five years younger, I'd be all over that.
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