Is 'For Your Eyes Only' the most boring James Bond film?

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  • Posts: 1,782
    FYEO looks fine. If there's a Moore film that feels like a TV series, it's LALD.

    FYEO is pretty much a commando movie.

  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    FYEO is anything but boring. It has the usual pace of a Bond film from the Moore era, some stunningly beautiful locations and a down to earth story. The action is both inventive and exciting, with the Bond relying on his skill and ingenuity rather than convenient gadgets.
    I enjoy the raw, back to basics approach. After the excessiveness of MR, Bond needed to be brought back to earth. Literally.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    In a word no

    In two words: no, no... in 3 words... (for the Mitchell & Webb sound fans \:D/ )
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    For me, FYEO is a return to form after a decade and more of sometimes excessive spectacles: it's more grounded, more of a spy thriller, etc.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
    edited March 28 Posts: 69
    One thing I've never got is why they leave the diving cylinder behind. Quite convenient they did, as it later helps them escape the keel-hauling.
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    The most boring Bond film for me is Thunderball.

    For Your Eyes Only is my second favorite Bond film after only Goldfinger.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    It's all so boring here, Margo. There's nothing but playboys and gigolos.
  • Which Bond has the most combined boring films? The boring heavyweight.
  • I don’t think any Bond has a “boring” film personally. Every Bond film has at least one element that catches my attention. I suppose the closest would be SPECTRE because it doesn’t really hold my attention the way other Bond films do, but even then it has a couple standout sequences.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    What some fans may find boring, I find most intriguing. To me, the best Bond films are a slow burn: an emphasis on intrigue, seduction, and Bond's savoir faire, rather than action. When we really break it down, some of the best Bond films are like this, with most of the action pushed to the final act. From Russia With Love. Goldfinger. Thunderball (the best example). I'd even place Skyfall in that category. I think it's safe to say that FYEO fits in with this, to a degree. Plot-wise, it's a fine film.

  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    I don't think FYEO is boring, there's even an action scene from the start, it's not boring, if anything, it's a fun film.

    Although like what I've said, it's not a perfect Bond film by any means like the cinematography which was very low key, and the soundtrack, although why the chase scenes in FYEO were mixed in with comedy? It's hard to feel the thrill of the Car Chase and Ski Chase because they're both comedic that the soundtrack didn't helped.

    There are no boring Bond films but surely there are slow ones, I think the only Bond film that's so slow that I could no longer comprehend the plot is The World Is Not Enough, it was slow in the second act that I've got lost in the plot, particularly concerning Renard.

    Thunderball, it's fine, I think, but just been dragged by the very long underwater scenes, in this, I prefer the third act of Never Say Never Again.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    I quite like the travelogue aspect. Bond and Melina mingling with the locals, and disrupting their olive farming. The new movie have an establishing shot and that's about it, not immersive at all
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    I personally really love the Bill Conti score, full of energy, atmosphere and unapologetically of its time.

    Terms like 'dated' get thrown around easily, but I don't think it's a bad thing if you feel the mood and vibe of another era.

    Moreover, nevermind the music; the cars, the fashion, the Cold War plot, hell even phones date this one too. I don't mind, I find it an arbitrary argument to be perfectly honest.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    FYEO always felt like it was a movie to introduce a new Bond actor. From the start of the film that ties it back to OHMSS, to the call back to OHMSS with Bond wearing a blue ski jacket. The iconic car kick off the cliff was clearly designed to show a shift in tone from MR. This movie feels like it was meant to be similar to CR correcting from DAD. This film was meant to correct MR and I think to truly correct it needed a different actor playing Bond.

    Moore does a fine job but this isn't playing to his strengths. Frequent substitutions from stunt men takes us out of the action. The age gap between both leading ladies removes any chance of romance which I think the movie is going for. Maibaum hinted in an interview that Moore changed some of the dialogue in this film and weakened it. Even his hesitance to kick the car says a lot about the actor not fitting the material.

    I always feel like if this film had been the first of a Dalton series of films we'd see it's true potential.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited March 29 Posts: 18,580
    w2bond wrote: »
    I quite like the travelogue aspect. Bond and Melina mingling with the locals, and disrupting their olive farming. The new movie have an establishing shot and that's about it, not immersive at all

    That's a great observation and you're totally right. The older Bond films were better for what you might call local colour. That dates back to Fleming. It also lets the film breathe a little by showing the distinctive sights and sounds and the local people milling about. It's better than just clinically cutting from location to location or set piece to set piece. Even the Brosnan Bond films had those little moments like the mime artist in GE or the local people Wai Lin interacts with in TND.
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    w2bond wrote: »
    I quite like the travelogue aspect. Bond and Melina mingling with the locals, and disrupting their olive farming. The new movie have an establishing shot and that's about it, not immersive at all
    That's something I feel a director like Cuarón could bring to the table, his movie Roma really immerses you into the Mexico of the 70's. That's if they hire him, though.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 29 Posts: 17,609
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    w2bond wrote: »
    I quite like the travelogue aspect. Bond and Melina mingling with the locals, and disrupting their olive farming. The new movie have an establishing shot and that's about it, not immersive at all

    That's a great observation and you're totally right. The older Bond films were better for what you might call local colour. That dates back to Fleming. It also lets the film breathe a little by showing the distinctive sights and sounds and the local people milling about. It's better than just clinically cutting from location to location or set piece to set piece. Even the Brosnan Bond films had those little moments like the mime artist in GE or the local people Wai Lin interacts with in TND.

    Yeah what I don't like about a film like SF for example is that the Shanghai or Turkey scenes could be shifted to different countries and literally nothing would change. I don't think Bond even meets any locals in either of those.
    Yes, you've got stuff like the skyscraper neon billboards or the deserted Japanese island, but I'm not sure there's a huge amount of local colour going into that.

    I think it needs to be done delicately, you can't just stop the film for a new Kerim Bay to give Bond a tour around the local restaurants, but I think encountering some local people is kind of bare minimum. At least Matera in NTTD had the burning memories thing which felt kind of believable, and Mexico had the Day of the Dead thing which was pretty cool.

    It's a slightly different thing, less about local colour than interchangeable locations, but the most bonkers one to me remains the opening of TWINE which was clearly intended to be in Switzerland but switched to Spain, presumably because of a nice building that Bond just walks past(!).
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Pretty sure the motorcycle chase in the beginning of the film couldn't just be interchanged with any other city.

    Audience sensibilities change I can't remember which director said it but he observed the golf match in GF would not make the film today or if it did would be considerably trimmed if it was made today. I could see what he is saying. You might even say the same about Bond heading to the gypsy camp, the only story purpose it serves is to give Grant a chance to save Bond's life.

    For it's short run time QOS attempted to do local flavour within the film they succeeded in some points but failed in others.

    I am not sure the whole story point of watching Bond and Melina purchase food for the crew but it is a nice visual. If it was gone would the audience miss anything? Not sure. The film overall is indeed a lean cut as I can't think of too many superfluous scenes.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 29 Posts: 17,609
    thedove wrote: »
    Pretty sure the motorcycle chase in the beginning of the film couldn't just be interchanged with any other city.

    I don't know, you just substitute some other landmark for the grand bazaar. It's not intrinsically part of the concept of the thing, everything's pretty generic. We don't even know of any particular reason Ronson is there, could be anywhere.
    thedove wrote: »
    Audience sensibilities change I can't remember which director said it but he observed the golf match in GF would not make the film today or if it did would be considerably trimmed if it was made today. I could see what he is saying. You might even say the same about Bond heading to the gypsy camp, the only story purpose it serves is to give Grant a chance to save Bond's life.

    Yeah, I agree about the golf match; it's hard to see something like that being in a Bond film today, and that's kind of a shame. I like the silence in that sequence, it feels nice and airy, not rushed at all, and it really works.
    The gypsy camp is kind of one those local flavour bits which I'm not sure entirely works for me, feels slightly forced as part of a 'local tour' if you know what I mean. I don't hate it or anything, just not my favourite.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    w2bond wrote: »
    I quite like the travelogue aspect. Bond and Melina mingling with the locals, and disrupting their olive farming. The new movie have an establishing shot and that's about it, not immersive at all

    One on my biggest complaints with the modern films, Theres dialogue scenes and action scenes, but no sightseeing.
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    For me the most boring Bond film is certainly Quantum of Solace, or maybe Tomorrow Never Dies
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited March 29 Posts: 4,905
    I would like to say that the thing that I enjoy the most in FYEO is the Identigraph scene. Some unintentional ASMR in that scene. Bond and Q's calming voices, and the beeps of the machine feel very comfortable to me. One of my favorite Q scenes. As for the movie itself, John Glen did well for his first movie. EON wanted realism, got it and succeeded.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    My Bond ASMR is the sound of the little dice shaker thing in the Backgammon game in Octopussy - just one of the most pleasing sounds! :D
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    w2bond wrote: »
    I quite like the travelogue aspect. Bond and Melina mingling with the locals, and disrupting their olive farming. The new movie have an establishing shot and that's about it, not immersive at all

    One on my biggest complaints with the modern films, Theres dialogue scenes and action scenes, but no sightseeing.

    Agreed. I like to "smell the flowers", I miss that in modern (action) films. They might consider it a waste of time or a potential 'losing the audience's attention' moment. I remember one of those 'Honest Trailers' on YT about the early Bond films mocking the part where Bond checks into hotels. For me personally it's that kind of stuff that I appreciate a lot about the earlier films. It's like you are on a trip with Bond, takes you to another world.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
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    thedove wrote: »
    I am not sure the whole story point of watching Bond and Melina purchase food for the crew but it is a nice visual. If it was gone would the audience miss anything? Not sure. The film overall is indeed a lean cut as I can't think of too many superfluous scenes.

    Bond shouldn't really have a relationship with Melina, and it's scenes like these which prove it. He couldn't be more of a gent, could he, and consoles her in the evening when she becomes stressed.

    For him to be riding her later, considering the obvious age difference, isn't right. Should be buying her and Bibi an ice-cream.
    mtm wrote: »

    Yeah, I agree about the golf match; it's hard to see something like that being in a Bond film today, and that's kind of a shame. I like the silence in that sequence, it feels nice and airy, not rushed at all, and it really works.

    The Skyfall Generation.
    That's something I feel a director like Cuarón could bring to the table, his movie Roma really immerses you into the Mexico of the 70's. That's if they hire him, though.

    I watched his Harry Potter film the other night and was impressed by his London scenes.

    However, Cuaron can be a bit of an effects director. Films like Gravity and Children Of Men are great concepts, but ultimately are sacrificed in favour of spectacle. Superficial.

    Which feels more like continuity Craig-era than anything else.

    Time for something new (ish).
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    w2bond wrote: »
    I quite like the travelogue aspect. Bond and Melina mingling with the locals, and disrupting their olive farming. The new movie have an establishing shot and that's about it, not immersive at all

    One on my biggest complaints with the modern films, Theres dialogue scenes and action scenes, but no sightseeing.

    Agreed. I like to "smell the flowers", I miss that in modern (action) films. They might consider it a waste of time or a potential 'losing the audience's attention' moment. I remember one of those 'Honest Trailers' on YT about the early Bond films mocking the part where Bond checks into hotels. For me personally it's that kind of stuff that I appreciate a lot about the earlier films. It's like you are on a trip with Bond, takes you to another world.

    Same here. I think Bond movies are made in the quiet moments: Bond talking to Largo, sitting down with Blofeld to speak of ancestry, playing golf against Goldfinger and yes, checking in. Getting a feel of the place. And not only for Bond: what would The Godfather be without the wedding sequence, or the moment when Clemenza cooks the sauce and explains to Michael how it's done?
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