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If they have any sense, they won't p*** off the fan base. Bring originality, sure, but don't try and fix what isn't broke.
Exactly.
This is rich coming from someone who earnestly uses the term “woke”.
Lightyear, Strange Worlds, The Marvels, Indiana Jones 5? Have you heard of them? No, they didn't make much money as they were just "bad" movies.
I'm not trying to be negative but what would we list as "Not Broke"? First on my list would be a British heterosexual white male, working for MI-6 with a license to kill. Where does it go from there?
I’m sure YouTube has all the answers. Regarding INDY 5, I can personally understand why that bombed: it was flat out boring.
Plus, there is a big backlash (fairly or unfairly) against Phoebe Waller-Bridge and in particular Kathleen Kennedy. I personally enjoyed it, but there are a number of missed opportunities.
Really? You think that's why Indy 5 bombed? Because it was boring? There's plenty of bad movies that aren't boring. You guys just keep coming up with excuses when the answer is right in front of you.
How is thinking it’s boring an “excuse”?
https://www.reddit.com/r/indianajones/comments/15w220u/why_do_you_think_indiana_jones_5_flopped/
https://www.quora.com/What-were-the-reasons-for-the-failure-of-the-new-Indiana-Jones-movie
Because Indy movies aren't typically described as boring.
Am I the only one that can't follow your logic at all? What do bad - not boring films have to do with Indy (boring or not) and the way it performed at the box-office? I cantell you why I didn't go: Indiana Jones 4 was a bit of fun, but just didn't deliver the vibe of the old films. There was nothing fresh and exciting, and the end was, well, boring. The new one didn't seem to bring anything new to the table, so I didn't go.
I would say most of the women of James bond have been subservient to him. Do you have a problem with that?
If you are not making a Bond movie, of course.
Or a Dirty Harry movie.
Or...
This may be why you didn't like it, but, apart from a rabid micro-minority of Breitbart readers who seem to be so insecure that "girl bosses" in films really intimidates them (after all, what the hell was Marion Ravenwood if not a girl boss? She drinks grown men under the table and she slugs out Indiana himself-- and that was in1981. So this idea that a "girl boss" was responsible for sinking the fortunes of the latest film is absolute and absurd nonsense) , the reality behind Indy 5's failure can be found in:
1/a massive budget; due to injuries and delays, the budget ballooned.
2/over-estimated appeal for the character: Indy's heyday was in the 80s, and pretty much stayed there. The gaps in between films really saw to that.
3/nostalgia factor: this targeted older men and really did nothing to bring on new fans.
The actual reason for DoD flopping had zero to do with the PWB''s participation.
Nope.
Yup.
Yeah, I think it's a lot of factors probably, and that is undeniably one of them. I think it's possible the previous one killed the interest a bit; that the whole franchise itself was too old and has fallen out of favour (although the new video game might actually help that!); that people probably really don't want an 80 year-old action star; that the reviews were just kind of middling for the most; plus maybe the marketing didn't excite folks (they made a big error premiering it at Cannes and actually annoyed a lot of the journos by delaying the screening way too long for an award-giving). It's a shame because, as I say, I enjoyed the film a lot (although it's got issues) but there we go, it didn't connect, what can you do.
What I don't think that anyone other than terminally online youtube people had any problem with was that there was a spunky woman in it, because folks have seen Indiana Jones films before and that's hardly new.
EDIT: Oh look, peter and I have kind of said the same thing at the same time! :)
Yeah I mean — they already did the "Old Indy returns for one last ride" movie. It was a big success! Not really a well you can draw from twice.
Marion Ravenwood wasn't a "girlboss". How much did Crystal Skull make? Again, you're just an excuse factory for this movie for some reason. I swear you guys all sound like you work at the Guardian.
No, we should get a female writer to prove how manly we all are and how we're not scared by a little old woman. Stick it to those sexist fools like Ian Fleming, Sean Connery and Cubby Broccoli!
And you sound like a blue tick, much more worryingly. He's literally explaining the various reasons behind its failure: they're not excuses, they're failings.
I still don't hate them as much as everyone else seems to, but I imagine the new team will want new blood and have worked with some pretty great writers over the years; I wouldn't be shocked if they did come back but I think they probably won't. Shame in a way because they've put much more Fleming into all of their instalments than most of their predecessors for the last few decades.