Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Looking forward to Bond series designation v2 Beta - 'an Amazon Original Copy', the '007 Cinematic Universe', the 'Non-Eon Canonical Chronicles'. You only count twice, Mr Bond.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    The Creative Mind Of Ian Fleming Presents The Adventures Of James Bond Agent 007 In The Next Explosive Adventure From Eon Productions, Amazon Studios, And Certainly Not Jenny Salke
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
    edited March 31 Posts: 875
    Well, here's hoping we get some big juicy announcements in 2 days time. B-)

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    mtm wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    It is safe to assume, give the happy marriage of social accounts and the 007.com website so far, that Amazon very much intends to follow in Eon's step and keep most of the, come on now, recognizable branding that's been established over the last 60+ years. They'd be stupid to think they could do better without any of it, so something will stay, they will want it to feel like a natural continuation. And Eon are still producing! So, with Eon still getting some sort of production credit, how is this not... Bond 26?

    I don’t think Eon are producing, they likely won’t be involved at all. Broccoli and Wilson will still co-own the rights, but that’s more like a Danjaq situation, and the old films didn’t have ‘a Danjaq production’ on them. Eon is just another company which BB & MW own at this point, nothing to do with this film. This is a Pascal Pictures/Heyday films production.

    The new ownership of Bond between BB & MW and Amazon is curious though: presumably that’s a new company taking over from Danjaq? What’s it called?

    Quite interesting to see on Companies House that BB & MGW both resigned from B25 Ltd and their other Bond companies on 24th March and lawyer Ajay Patel (US) and accountant David Clapham (UK) took them over. They’re also associated with lots of ‘Leo’ production companies, which is presumably MGM from the name.

    Didn't the original announcement say there would be a new entity created to hold the rights, which would be co-owned by Amazon/MGM and Eon, but the creative control was fully with Amazon/MGM? So basically a new Danjaq on top of or replacing Danjaq?

    At the end of the day, it's fun to see new schism created the fandom can argue about for the next few decades (It has to be seperated by actor! No, by lead producer! No, by licence owner! No, by my own perceived continuity! The only real deal was Connery! No, everything up to Craig! No, Craig was already a different thing; it's Connery to Brosnan, then Craig, then the new guy!), but @delfloria is right in that this is currently just a discussion about a placeholder until we have a title and from then on it will go by it's acronym, just like every other film. Which opens the fun possibily of them re-using a title (a more book acurate Moonraker?) and annoy all of us all over again.

    I know at this point it doesn't really matter what the place holder title is because it will drop aside the nano second we get a title. This said, I do really wonder how our community will react if Heyman/Pascal/Amazon reinvent Bond and create something that is as different as the Connery Bonds were from Craig's Bonds. Also as a fan during the '60s I could have cared less who was producing the films and was only interested in whether it was a good Bond film. I find it interesting that so many people are invested in Barbara and Michael these days. What happens if Amazon comes up with an even better version of Bond, will we get the war between fans like the Snyder and Gunn superman situation? Well, there was the craignotbond era I guess.
  • edited March 31 Posts: 631
    delfloria wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    It is safe to assume, give the happy marriage of social accounts and the 007.com website so far, that Amazon very much intends to follow in Eon's step and keep most of the, come on now, recognizable branding that's been established over the last 60+ years. They'd be stupid to think they could do better without any of it, so something will stay, they will want it to feel like a natural continuation. And Eon are still producing! So, with Eon still getting some sort of production credit, how is this not... Bond 26?

    I don’t think Eon are producing, they likely won’t be involved at all. Broccoli and Wilson will still co-own the rights, but that’s more like a Danjaq situation, and the old films didn’t have ‘a Danjaq production’ on them. Eon is just another company which BB & MW own at this point, nothing to do with this film. This is a Pascal Pictures/Heyday films production.

    The new ownership of Bond between BB & MW and Amazon is curious though: presumably that’s a new company taking over from Danjaq? What’s it called?

    Quite interesting to see on Companies House that BB & MGW both resigned from B25 Ltd and their other Bond companies on 24th March and lawyer Ajay Patel (US) and accountant David Clapham (UK) took them over. They’re also associated with lots of ‘Leo’ production companies, which is presumably MGM from the name.

    Didn't the original announcement say there would be a new entity created to hold the rights, which would be co-owned by Amazon/MGM and Eon, but the creative control was fully with Amazon/MGM? So basically a new Danjaq on top of or replacing Danjaq?

    At the end of the day, it's fun to see new schism created the fandom can argue about for the next few decades (It has to be seperated by actor! No, by lead producer! No, by licence owner! No, by my own perceived continuity! The only real deal was Connery! No, everything up to Craig! No, Craig was already a different thing; it's Connery to Brosnan, then Craig, then the new guy!), but @delfloria is right in that this is currently just a discussion about a placeholder until we have a title and from then on it will go by it's acronym, just like every other film. Which opens the fun possibily of them re-using a title (a more book acurate Moonraker?) and annoy all of us all over again.

    I know at this point it doesn't really matter what the place holder title is because it will drop aside the nano second we get a title. This said, I do really wonder how our community will react if Heyman/Pascal/Amazon reinvent Bond and create something that is as different as the Connery Bonds were from Craig's Bonds. Also as a fan during the '60s I could have cared less who was producing the films and was only interested in whether it was a good Bond film. I find it interesting that so many people are invested in Barbara and Michael these days. What happens if Amazon comes up with an even better version of Bond, will we get the war between fans like the Snyder and Gunn superman situation? Well, there was the craignotbond era I guess.

    The Snyder thing isn't so much because of the movies, but the circumstances of the movies — he was fired after his daughter committed suicide, then Warner half-finished the movie with another director who had a hostile work environment, then after it (predictably) bombed they spent years lying about what happened.

    Notice how, say, when "Rogue One" fired Gareth Edwards during production it didn't turn into a thing? Because everyone involved was honest. If Warner didn't spend years saying "There is no different version of Justice League, this is the only one" even after cast and crew were adamant there were two different movies, it wouldn't have blown up into the thing it became. It isn't a shock that after "Zack Snyder's Justice League" came out, the salience of the issue went away.

    To your question (which is a good one!), because there was such a definitive ending I think it is unlikely that a schism emerges. We can even see a parallel with "Batman".
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited March 31 Posts: 1,774
    CinemaCon lineup for 2026:
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    CinemaCon lineup for 2026:
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    WOW! Not a lot of original content there. What the hell?!?!?!?!?!?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I didn't realise there was a Masters of the Universe film on. I guess Pascal is producing Spider Man 4?
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
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    delfloria wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    CinemaCon lineup for 2026:
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    WOW! Not a lot of original content there. What the hell?!?!?!?!?!?

    Right? Pretty sad to see.
  • K2WIK2WI Europe
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    delfloria wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    CinemaCon lineup for 2026:
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    WOW! Not a lot of original content there. What the hell?!?!?!?!?!?

    Not really surprised myself, to be honest; most of these are the big ‘tentpoles’ that would get marked on the calendar well in advance of the original stuff.

    If you’re curious, here’s some original projects due next year:
    • Send Help (dir. Sam Raimi) - Jan. 30
    • Untitled UFO film (dir. Steven Spielberg) - June 12
    • Shiver (dir. Tommy Wirkola) - July 3
    • Flowervale Street (dir. David Robert Mitchell) - Aug. 14
    • Untitled AGI/TC film (dir. Alejandro Gonzalez Iñárritu) - Oct. 2
    • Untitled JP film (dir. Jordan Peele) - Oct. 23
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    Though I loved Wright, I would like to see a tall, lanky, jovial and Texan Felix Leiter this time around.
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    echo wrote: »
    Musk is making millions off SpaceX and Tesla charging stations--and is not slashing his own contracts with the government. Classic bait and switch.

    He'd make a good Drax. He certainly has the face for it.

    Are you seriously suggesting The President should cancel all Space X contracts and basically put it out of business because Elon is helping out? Wow, if you think Musk entering the government is boosting Tesla I have a bridge to sell you.

    I don't think you know what bait and switch means.

    I’m confused about how you’re confused. It’s a conflict of interest in two ways:

    1. Musk gets access to the financial records of his competitors, allies and enemies alike. That’s tax documents, military records, Social Security statements, etc., etc. Musk not only has access to sensitive records, he can alter them or erase them. Simple access to the deep reservoir of collected information the Federal government creates, maintains, audits and safeguards across the world is open for potential blackmail and market fixing by Elon Musk.

    2. Cutting Federal departments and withholding Congressionally approved payments without clearance or authority from the legislature. Then, reduce Federal spending for sectors and jobs that even Republicans agree should be in place. This creates an administrative vacuum. The Federal Government will then contract-out any work deemed, as essential for basic societal maintenance, or not. Either way, Musk gains far more than he could ever lose in divesting himself from Tesla or plummeting stocks. But Musk is against a clock. How bad do Tesla stockholders need burned before they drop the pot? Will the courts lay down enough law to blockade this year’s agenda? The midterm elections are next year. Republicans don’t want to run their re-election campaigns in the middle of job and service cuts that will predominantly hurt their electorate. Miss a SS payment next month, maybe Trump could recover the fumble; maybe Republicans can spin fast enough and the propaganda is convincing enough. Miss a SS payment next year, any month, and Republicans may not return to legislative power for another (+/-) forty year block, like at the end of WWII up to Reagan’s administration.

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    If you could choose just one previous film to pattern the new film after..........what would it be?
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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    delfloria wrote: »
    If you could choose just one previous film to pattern the new film after..........what would it be?

    GE/CR
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    From Russia With Love - Not a save the world mission. Intrigue. Personal. Restrained. And great villains.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited April 1 Posts: 6,626
    delfloria wrote: »
    If you could choose just one previous film to pattern the new film after..........what would it be?

    Easily CR. And I think this is what they will do. With MR this time.

    Someone on these boards once suggested, like CR, a more or less faithful adaptation of MR, but using the locations from the film MR. (Presumably not space, although if it's Cuaron directing, who knows?) So not a remake, but not-not a remake.

    Fascinating.
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    I just hope we don't revisit the "serious romantic interest that betrays Bond" thing again, because after CR its just hard to match. They are gonna have to find a different way to establish him IMO.
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
    edited April 1 Posts: 1,047
    delfloria wrote: »
    If you could choose just one previous film to pattern the new film after..........what would it be?

    MR novel with CR's tone done in the style of TLD. Must have a stylish casino scene.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    delfloria wrote: »
    If you could choose just one previous film to pattern the new film after..........what would it be?
    FRWL espionage thriller with a bit of romance or TND all-out action spectacle.

    Personally I'd love for them to adapt one of the comics like Hammerhead or Solstice.
  • edited April 1 Posts: 4,942
    delfloria wrote: »
    If you could choose just one previous film to pattern the new film after..........what would it be?

    I'd go DN, at least in terms of broad story. We see the set up, and then Bond being sent on a seemingly routine mission, whereupon he discovers there's more going on. It eventually culminates in a show down with a larger than life villain who reveals they have a high stakes threat planned. A bit more mystery driven, with a cat and mouse element to it.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    I think I’d play it relatively safe (if there is such a thing) with the basic Goldfinger model - larger than life mastermind with a monstrous henchman, early encounter to heat up rivalry, faux-friendly match against Bond at some game, M scene, Q scene, Moneypenny scene, Felix Leiter, cool car. Really just establishing the old tropes before doing anything clever with them.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited April 1 Posts: 2,412
    Anyone knows Pascal & Heyman's favourite Bond films or Bond era? As it would help us know that Bond 26 would look like.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    007HallY wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    If you could choose just one previous film to pattern the new film after..........what would it be?

    I'd go DN, at least in terms of broad story. We see the set up, and then Bond being sent on a seemingly routine mission, whereupon he discovers there's more going on. It eventually culminates in a show down with a larger than life villain who reveals they have a high stakes threat planned. A bit more mystery driven, with a cat and mouse element to it.

    Some of the most memorable Bond films are those that have one location, or a location that dominates. Think DN or even OHMSS.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
    edited April 1 Posts: 1,021
    The isolated snow chalet in OHMSS was a very cool location. I think one of the And Then There Were None adaptations used something similar. It’s a great way to put the protagonist in a situation where he can’t count on outside help.
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    delfloria wrote: »
    If you could choose just one previous film to pattern the new film after..........what would it be?

    Thunderball.

    Maybe a new adaptation of LALD without the problematic parts. The plot can still be used.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Buried treasure is kind of a weak plot. They'd likely make it more contemporary.

    The barracuda swim would be cool.
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    Anyone knows Pascal & Heyman's favourite Bond films or Bond era? As it would help us know that Bond 26 would look like.

    Considering Heyman's age, he might have grown up with Moore.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    delfloria wrote: »
    Anyone knows Pascal & Heyman's favourite Bond films or Bond era? As it would help us know that Bond 26 would look like.

    Considering Heyman's age, he might have grown up with Moore.

    Yeah. You could say that. I think while I don't expect a Moore-style Bond for Bond 7, Pascal & Heyman might want the return of the megalomaniac villain and the big sets and possibly gadgets as well... because Bond 26 might be a film that's aimed to please, because of the Amazon purchase....to convince us to stay calm. I think Amazon's Bond 26 is in the same situation GoldenEye was years back....compulsory success!
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