Superman: The Man of Tomorrow

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  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited April 4 Posts: 25,764
    Not sure why they did not release the full Cinema Con trailer, we need to see at least a few characters speak.

    The score was better.

    The film looks good, I hope the story is strong.
  • edited April 5 Posts: 490
    The only issue I have with that clip is Gunn is telling us Superman has human type organs.

    There's no reason why people from Krypton would have bladders, kidneys etc. They're not humans from Earth. They're a completely different species of life - an alien - hence why Superman can defy gravity on Earth.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited April 5 Posts: 1,811
    bondywondy wrote: »
    The only issue I have with that clip is Gunn is telling us Superman has human type organs.

    There's no reason why people from Krypton would have bladders, kidneys etc. They're not humans from Earth. They're a completely different species of life - an alien - hence why Superman can defy gravity on Earth.

    There are certain life functions that carry over to most living creatures/mammals. How could Superman ever have a child, then? Would his semen work on an Earth woman? Does he have semen?

    You see how this gets weird if you push it? It's better for him to just have a bladder.
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    Yes, probably best not to overthink! I liked this clip at any rate.
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    bondywondy wrote: »
    The only issue I have with that clip is Gunn is telling us Superman has human type organs.

    There's no reason why people from Krypton would have bladders, kidneys etc. They're not humans from Earth. They're a completely different species of life - an alien - hence why Superman can defy gravity on Earth.

    There are certain life functions that carry over to most living creatures/mammals. How could Superman ever have a child, then? Would his semen work on an Earth woman? Does he have semen?

    You see how this gets weird if you push it? It's better for him to just have a bladder.

    Also, let's not forget Jon Kent exists.

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  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Weird clip. One robot say they are autonomous servants and then one giggles like a school girl when Superman looks at her? Wouldn't all of them act the same way? Krypto is cute. Really hard to judge the movie based on this.

    This doesn't wow me or have me any more excited to see the film.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    It seems like Gunn does best when he has a bit of leash like on Guardian 1 or 2. Otherwise he just goes overboard with the weirdness.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    edited April 6 Posts: 15,364
    The biggest thing I got from the extended look was this looks like a fun film. Maybe harking back to Donner's Superman.
    A new version for the Superman franchise with Krypto, and autonomous robots to assist the man of steel. Either way, it looks epic and it looks fun. So far, I’m sold.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    It seems like Gunn does best when he has a bit of leash like on Guardian 1 or 2. Otherwise he just goes overboard with the weirdness.

    I agree there's a couple moments in that clip where the humour undercuts the tension of the scene. Are we supposed to be concerned that Superman is legitimately in peril or not?
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    It seems like Gunn does best when he has a bit of leash like on Guardian 1 or 2. Otherwise he just goes overboard with the weirdness.

    I agree there's a couple moments in that clip where the humour undercuts the tension of the scene. Are we supposed to be concerned that Superman is legitimately in peril or not?

    You put it better than I could. This sums it up. I still don't get how one robot says no need to thank as they won't appreciate it and then another one giggles when Superman looks at her. Do only some have emotion chips?

    This does not move a needle on me wanting to see this movie. The best thing I can say is Krypto looks cute and realistic as a CGI dog.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    Indeed, a strange clip to be selling your movie on, even if it's not all the cinemacon footage.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    The way I read it is that the robots don’t actually have consciousness and are programmed to mimic personalities. Sort of like Brando’s AI Jor-El in the original. Superman knows this, but in spite of that he’s still the kind of guy to show gratitude because he’s a super guy.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    If superman is genuinely hurt and suffering, I wouldn't expect the focus to be on driod antics, it just seems odd to me. Perhaps it will make more sense in the context of the scenes surrounding it.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited April 6 Posts: 8,511
    If superman is genuinely hurt and suffering, I wouldn't expect the focus to be on driod antics, it just seems odd to me. Perhaps it will make more sense in the context of the scenes surrounding it.

    It may even be how the movie kicks off rather than something that happens before a major climax. We see him get hurt, but he has a loyal dog and robots to help him get back up when he needs them. Cue main titles.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I think the extended clip may be clever marketing as it was shown before Minecraft, the April 18th trailer will likely be aimed at a more adult audience.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited April 6 Posts: 17,708
    It seems like Gunn does best when he has a bit of leash like on Guardian 1 or 2. Otherwise he just goes overboard with the weirdness.

    I agree there's a couple moments in that clip where the humour undercuts the tension of the scene. Are we supposed to be concerned that Superman is legitimately in peril or not?

    It depends, this could be the opening of the movie or very close to it; in which case we're not supposed to be that worried about him just yet.
    The way the clip opens with the scenic stuff, the way the trailer opened with the same shot; I could believe it is the very first few moments of the film.
    The way I read it is that the robots don’t actually have consciousness and are programmed to mimic personalities. Sort of like Brando’s AI Jor-El in the original. Superman knows this, but in spite of that he’s still the kind of guy to show gratitude because he’s a super guy.

    Yeah I think it's a nice little character touch, that. Even when badly wounded he's still polite and kind to people/robots he doesn't know. That's how the Superman I've seen is supposed to act.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    The way I read it is that the robots don’t actually have consciousness and are programmed to mimic personalities. Sort of like Brando’s AI Jor-El in the original. Superman knows this, but in spite of that he’s still the kind of guy to show gratitude because he’s a super guy.

    Like the Teminator trying to smile...

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    mtm wrote: »
    It seems like Gunn does best when he has a bit of leash like on Guardian 1 or 2. Otherwise he just goes overboard with the weirdness.

    I agree there's a couple moments in that clip where the humour undercuts the tension of the scene. Are we supposed to be concerned that Superman is legitimately in peril or not?

    It depends, this could be the opening of the movie or very close to it; in which case we're not supposed to be that worried about him just yet.
    The way the clip opens with the scenic stuff, the way the trailer opened with the same shot; I could believe it is the very first few moments of the film.

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    If the audience isn't supposed to be worried then why have him spitting blood and wheezing? Those seem to imply that he's in a bad way.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    mtm wrote: »
    It seems like Gunn does best when he has a bit of leash like on Guardian 1 or 2. Otherwise he just goes overboard with the weirdness.

    I agree there's a couple moments in that clip where the humour undercuts the tension of the scene. Are we supposed to be concerned that Superman is legitimately in peril or not?

    It depends, this could be the opening of the movie or very close to it; in which case we're not supposed to be that worried about him just yet.
    The way the clip opens with the scenic stuff, the way the trailer opened with the same shot; I could believe it is the very first few moments of the film.

    If the audience isn't supposed to be worried then why have him spitting blood and wheezing? Those seem to imply that he's in a bad way. [/quote]

    To build intrigue and make you ask questions and watch the movie. Just wait and see.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited April 6 Posts: 17,708
    In the PTS opening of a Bond film there is some tension and excitement, but you must have noticed that it's not supposed to be on the same level as in the climax of the film when the the stakes have been raised and the whole film has been building to it? We're a bit worried for Bond when he's about to ski off that mountain, but we're not that worried because it's the beginning of the film.
    So imagine a similar situation, only it's Superman instead of James Bond. The main effect is that the audience is familiar with Superman and that he's invulnerable; only here it's established that this Superman can get hurt if he's whacked hard enough. So it's less about being worried for him (because, I repeat, in this hypothetical, potentially actual, situation, it is the beginning of the film and we've paid to see two hours more of Superman) and more about being slightly shocked that he can be battered, and now we have the playing field of this film established for us.

    I mean, honestly, I watched that clip and I wasn't that worried for Superman, because it was clear from the tone of the clip I wasn't really supposed to be. If the director is trying to tell you something, just listen to them; don't try and make a different film in your head before you've seen the damned thing.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I think Gunn also wants to relay to audiences that this Superman isn’t the godlike powerful version we’ve seen in past iterations where the only thing that could actually hurt him are nuclear explosions and kryptonite. It’s more like TAS 90s Superman where we see him get battered and thrown like a rag doll at times. This isn’t gonna be the Superman that’s so uber powerful that he can push the moon off orbit or fly fast enough to time travel.

    Having Supes injured as the first impression is sort of a good way to refute all those “Superman is too powerful” criticisms that had been common with Reeve/Routh/Cavill.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I watched a bit of that newish Superman cartoon which is a bit sort of Asian influenced and has a much younger Clark/Lois/Jimmy grouping where they're office juniors (sorry, can't remember the name- it's on Channel 4) and that had a bit of a similar thing where Superman did get whacked around a bit at times - is that something all versions of Superman have been moving towards in recent years? Making him a bit less completely invulnerable?
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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    mtm wrote: »
    I watched a bit of that newish Superman cartoon which is a bit sort of Asian influenced and has a much younger Clark/Lois/Jimmy grouping where they're office juniors (sorry, can't remember the name- it's on Channel 4) and that had a bit of a similar thing where Superman did get whacked around a bit at times - is that something all versions of Superman have been moving towards in recent years? Making him a bit less completely invulnerable?

    People tend to prefer Superman to be weaker than his comic counterpart because they "can't find him relatable". That's also partly why Homelander and Omniman are so successful, because they're weaker versions of him.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    They're evil versions of him, aren't they? That's why they're interesting.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    mtm wrote: »
    I watched a bit of that newish Superman cartoon which is a bit sort of Asian influenced and has a much younger Clark/Lois/Jimmy grouping where they're office juniors (sorry, can't remember the name- it's on Channel 4) and that had a bit of a similar thing where Superman did get whacked around a bit at times - is that something all versions of Superman have been moving towards in recent years? Making him a bit less completely invulnerable?

    It’s been my impression that he’s been relatively depowered since the comics rebooted in 1986. Pre-Crisis Superman is where he’s all but omnipotent, both parents were dead and buried well before the status quo, Lois Lane not knowing Clark is Superman, Lex is an underground criminal/scientist, etc.

    Post-Crisis Superman is where we see all the shakeups to the status quo. Depowered, Lois learns Superman is Clark (no memory wipes), marries, has kids, Luthor is a giant business tycoon that Superman can’t simply put in jail, both parents are alive and well which Clark frequently visits.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I prefer that a superhero nor have unlimited strength and abilities. "Superman Returns" is a perfect example; I absolutely love the sequence where he saves the falling jet, but I hate when he lifts an entire island. I think the saving of the plane should be the absolute limit of his strength.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    talos7 wrote: »
    I prefer that a superhero nor have unlimited strength and abilities. "Superman Returns" is a perfect example; I absolutely love the sequence where he saves the falling jet, but I hate when he lifts an entire island. I think the saving of the plane should be the absolute limit of his strength.

    It didn’t help that it was an island of Kryptonite and that he had a splinter of it up his sids. That stuff is supposed to literally makes his blood boil, as in you could take a vial of his blood, put it near kryptonite and actually see it boil up. He should either be dead or permanently damaged after that.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Good catch @MakeshiftPython I never understood how Superman is supposed to lift a whole island of kryptonite out of the water. He should have died even attempting such a thing. Always bothered me.

    Maybe that is why the robot thing bothers me a bit. How one says no need to thank and the other giggles like a human because Superman looked at her. I would think both robots would have the same reaction. Either both bland, or both with personality.

    As for the extended clip, apparently this is the start of the movie and the very first scene. I have also heard that Gunn shared Krypto has many of the same characteristics of his dog. Specifically the biting of his heels and playing with his legs.

  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I know if I had robot servants I wouldn’t want them to all programmed with the exact same personality. One of them in this case seems to behave as if he’s like Mr. Data from Star Trek.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    This is why more of Superman's villains need to be brought into further media. They all can give him (and Supergirl) a physical and mental beating. Lex and Zod are easy uses and lazy excuses for those two to fight for a media event.

    Also, the airplane rescue in Superman Returns is one of my dad's favorite superhero moments in general. For all the movie's flaws, that is the one moment of the movie that a lot of people think is great.
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