Best and worst case scenario for the Amazon Bond

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    I just browsed through the last couple of hundred postings on this thread, and they are all legitimate and contribute to the subject. I still wonder why this particular thread should be pinned on at the top of the thread list as an "announcement". It's as arbitrary and as much wishful thinking as any other "What if..." discussion and should be treated as such, instead of being elevated to some higher realm by permanently being placed at the top of the list.

    You can choose to unpin it for yourself if you want; it doesn't stay at the top of the recent discussions for me as I unpinned it. I think you can click the pin next to it or something in the list view?
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    mtm wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    I just browsed through the last couple of hundred postings on this thread, and they are all legitimate and contribute to the subject. I still wonder why this particular thread should be pinned on at the top of the thread list as an "announcement". It's as arbitrary and as much wishful thinking as any other "What if..." discussion and should be treated as such, instead of being elevated to some higher realm by permanently being placed at the top of the list.

    You can choose to unpin it for yourself if you want; it doesn't stay at the top of the recent discussions for me as I unpinned it. I think you can click the pin next to it or something in the list view?
    Yes if you drag the cursor over the right area of the listed post, there is a gear-type wheel called up as Options, with the option to Dismiss.

    Which I hadn't bothered to do until @j_w_pepper brought this up to be honest.

  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
    edited March 30 Posts: 1,029
    Variety have an article up talking about Jen Salke leaving MGM and her problems with Barbara Broccoli. Here's an excerpt:
    As Variety recently noted, Broccoli is believed to have told others that she did not feel inspired by working with Salke. Things came to a head when the WSJ published an article in December about the Bond standstill. That caused a high alert within the studio that Salke’s relationship on the film side was lacking and that she didn’t have the creative chops to land the plane on one of the biggest franchises in Hollywood history. (It also helped to accelerate to Amazon’s deal to buy out the Broccolis, after negotiations began in early 2024.)

    Sources said Salke wanted to make Bond into a broader, less dangerous character who could star in TV shows and carry video games. But her desire to make 007 into a cuddly hero for Middle America made Broccoli wince, according to multiple sources. Insiders snarked that Salke’s vision of Bond suggested him as a rebellious cookie-cutter spy out of an NBC drama, not serious IP that only a handful of the most esteemed directors could tackle.

    Full article here

    Ouch, I'm glad she's out.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Yes, it sounds like Salke would've been absolutely the wrong fit for Bond. I can't help hoping that Barbara Broccoli managed to engineer an agreement on Salke's removal as part of the exit deal. That'd show that BB did her best to assure Bond's future, even at the last.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Yes, it sounds like Salke would've been absolutely the wrong fit for Bond. I can't help hoping that Barbara Broccoli managed to engineer an agreement on Salke's removal as part of the exit deal. That'd show that BB did her best to assure Bond's future, even at the last.

    Yeah it's hard not to think that, isn't it- the two announcements just come way too close to each other. Even if it is a complete coincidence it still looks like a parting shot from Dame B, so a win for her.
  • This Salke woman sounds like a bad egg
  • Posts: 634
    mtm wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    Yes, it sounds like Salke would've been absolutely the wrong fit for Bond. I can't help hoping that Barbara Broccoli managed to engineer an agreement on Salke's removal as part of the exit deal. That'd show that BB did her best to assure Bond's future, even at the last.

    Yeah it's hard not to think that, isn't it- the two announcements just come way too close to each other. Even if it is a complete coincidence it still looks like a parting shot from Dame B, so a win for her.

    There is a comment on /r/JamesBond that summed up my thoughts:
    Over the last number of years, if you had asked BB which exec in all Hollywood she would put in charge excepting herself and family, she'd have said Amy Pascal.

    If you had asked BB which exec at Amazon she would absolutely be unable to work with, she'd have said Salke.

    If her goal was securing her broad vision of Bond under new ownership, early signs are positive!
  • Posts: 15,494
    Variety have an article up talking about Jen Salke leaving MGM and her problems with Barbara Broccoli. Here's an excerpt:
    As Variety recently noted, Broccoli is believed to have told others that she did not feel inspired by working with Salke. Things came to a head when the WSJ published an article in December about the Bond standstill. That caused a high alert within the studio that Salke’s relationship on the film side was lacking and that she didn’t have the creative chops to land the plane on one of the biggest franchises in Hollywood history. (It also helped to accelerate to Amazon’s deal to buy out the Broccolis, after negotiations began in early 2024.)

    Sources said Salke wanted to make Bond into a broader, less dangerous character who could star in TV shows and carry video games. But her desire to make 007 into a cuddly hero for Middle America made Broccoli wince, according to multiple sources. Insiders snarked that Salke’s vision of Bond suggested him as a rebellious cookie-cutter spy out of an NBC drama, not serious IP that only a handful of the most esteemed directors could tackle.

    Full article here

    Ouch, I'm glad she's out.

    So am I. Although I don't think Amy Pascal is much better.
  • Posts: 860
    A lot of moaning here. Let’s just give Amazon a chance first to get Bond right before making accusations . If they screw Bond 26 up then have a pop. EON made mistakes ( hello DAD and Diamonds are Forever) and the franchise survived.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
    edited April 5 Posts: 1,029
    It’s a thread titled Best and worst case scenario for the Amazon Bond. Best AND worst. If you want just positive views on the Amazon takeover you probably should avoid this thread.

    Edit: sorry, didn’t mean to sound hostile or dismissive, just that there are going to be a lot of fears voiced here just by design of the thread.
  • Posts: 1,735
    Want to get really upset ? Watch The Studio...of course, it's a comedy. The real thing is not like that, right ?.....RIGHT ?!!?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Since62 wrote: »
    Want to get really upset ? Watch The Studio...of course, it's a comedy. The real thing is not like that, right ?.....RIGHT ?!!?

    And it even has Amy Pascal(ish) as a main character! :D
    I'm enjoying it so far.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited April 5 Posts: 18,616
    A lot of moaning here. Let’s just give Amazon a chance first to get Bond right before making accusations . If they screw Bond 26 up then have a pop. EON made mistakes ( hello DAD and Diamonds are Forever) and the franchise survived.

    That's pretty much how I feel about the whole thing too. Your examples of DAD and DAF as the nadir of the Bond series are spot on too and both films are at the very bottom in my ranking. I know about the thread title of course so people's concerns and fears can be expressed here too. It's just that (when we know so little) I just like to try to remain as positive as possible. Just like with NTTD (or any previous Bond film in production) I tend to judge a film on its merits (or indeed its demerits) only when I've actually had the chance to see it in full.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,645
    mtm wrote: »
    Since62 wrote: »
    Want to get really upset ? Watch The Studio...of course, it's a comedy. The real thing is not like that, right ?.....RIGHT ?!!?

    And it even has Amy Pascal(ish) as a main character! :D
    I'm enjoying it so far.

    Kathryn Hahn is so funny.

    Also here:

  • edited April 6 Posts: 2,604
    QBranch wrote: »
    Best-case scenario we get films every three years and fresh ideas. Personally I wouldn't mind seeing a period TV series that closely adapts the Fleming novels (with episode lengths varying greatly depending on story), but considering some of the dated subject matter in those novels it's unlikely.

    Worst-case scenario we get over-saturation of product, straight-to-streaming films (no theatrical release) and side character spin-offs most of us don't give a shit about.

    At the core of it, I'm gonna wait and see for myself the quality of the 'content' before stressing out too much. Amazon gave us The Boys, Fallout and I think co-produced Fleabag. Gotta continue to think positive for my own health.

    Faithfully adapted Fleming material. Yes! We can dream... :)

  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Bounine wrote: »
    Faithfully adapted Fleming material. Yes! We can dream... :)
    That would be cool, but I wouldn't want it if the project hinders production time on or otherwise affects the films.

    Other best case scenarios for me regarding the Amazon Bond, is that they inject more Fleming material, by using the Risico title; bringing in characters and products not yet seen in the films. Characters like Gala, Loelia & May, items like Bond's Beretta, Morland & Floris. Palmolive shaving cream with secret compartment. These additions would likely draw in Fleming purists disenchanted with the new guard. Adapt a couple of the comics - some of them are very good. Look at taking more ideas from the continuation novels. Release toy merch that ties in with the film. Especially toy versions of what's seen in the film. Kids will want the latest gadget that Bond uses and collectors will gobble that up. Hire talented freelance artists to design the posters and promo artwork, returning to the sketched/painted artwork that everyone loves.
  • edited April 6 Posts: 5,002
    I think the best route is to use the Fleming novels as a foundation for new stories and ideas. Basically what EON were doing and what I understand some of those comics do (at least the one I read - Solstice in this case). Honestly, I think that's more or less what they'll do.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited April 6 Posts: 17,734
    Yep, I'd say dreaming about faithfully adapted Fleming stuff is unneeded when we've had the last few films: they're full of Fleming. Especially compared to the Brosnans where we had a gun under a pillow and that's pretty much it until then finally he got some Moonraker in his last film.
  • IGotTheMessageIGotTheMessage United States
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    The forum doesn’t seem to be as lively these days as it once was. I could be wrong, but that is the vibe which I am getting.

    Being that we know that absolutely nothing was done towards another Bond film prior to the sale in February and that it will take some time for them to get things worked out from here, my guess is that the next Bond film will probably not come out until 2028. 2028 would be my guess at this point as to release year.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,645
    The forum doesn’t seem to be as lively these days as it once was. I could be wrong, but that is the vibe which I am getting.

    Being that we know that absolutely nothing was done towards another Bond film prior to the sale in February and that it will take some time for them to get things worked out from here, my guess is that the next Bond film will probably not come out until 2028. 2028 would be my guess at this point as to release year.

    No way did Amazon pay an extra $1B to wait that long.
  • IGotTheMessageIGotTheMessage United States
    Posts: 209
    echo wrote: »
    The forum doesn’t seem to be as lively these days as it once was. I could be wrong, but that is the vibe which I am getting.

    Being that we know that absolutely nothing was done towards another Bond film prior to the sale in February and that it will take some time for them to get things worked out from here, my guess is that the next Bond film will probably not come out until 2028. 2028 would be my guess at this point as to release year.

    No way did Amazon pay an extra $1B to wait that long.

    There is no script and no actor yet, or anything.

  • Posts: 1,735
    echo wrote: »
    The forum doesn’t seem to be as lively these days as it once was. I could be wrong, but that is the vibe which I am getting.

    Being that we know that absolutely nothing was done towards another Bond film prior to the sale in February and that it will take some time for them to get things worked out from here, my guess is that the next Bond film will probably not come out until 2028. 2028 would be my guess at this point as to release year.

    No way did Amazon pay an extra $1B to wait that long.

    There is no script and no actor yet, or anything.

    The next film is without form, and void, and darkness is upon the face of the actor...lo, unto you there will come a script, and an actor and, then, a film.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited April 10 Posts: 18,616
    The forum doesn’t seem to be as lively these days as it once was. I could be wrong, but that is the vibe which I am getting.

    Being that we know that absolutely nothing was done towards another Bond film prior to the sale in February and that it will take some time for them to get things worked out from here, my guess is that the next Bond film will probably not come out until 2028. 2028 would be my guess at this point as to release year.

    The forum was very lively in February past when the news broke about the Amazon takeover. I noticed there were over 90 members signed in at one point which I haven't witnessed for years. It brought a lot of absent members out of the woodwork which was great to see. There have also been a good few new members who have joined recently so I think the future of the community is secure for the foreseeable future. Don't write us off just yet. 2028 seems too late to me as well. They'll be aiming for 2027 I'd imagine or a little earlier if they can manage it.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    The forum doesn’t seem to be as lively these days as it once was. I could be wrong, but that is the vibe which I am getting.

    The forum was very lively in February past when the news broke about the Amazon takeover. I noticed there were over 90 members signed in at one point which I have witnessed for years. It brought a lot of absent members out of the woodwork which was great to see. There have also been a good few new members who have joined recently so I think the future of the community is secure for the foreseeable future. Don't write us off just yet. 2028 seems too late to me as well. They'll be aiming for 2027 I'd imagine or a little earlier if they can manage it.

    Clearly, in general terms, activity in this forum will always be directly proportional to the amount of actual activity leading up to the creation and release of the next Bond movie, as demonstrated by Dragonpol.

    It's the natural physics of Bond fandom (or any other fandom)
    Without that we go around in ever decreasing circles...

    Hopefully things will start ramping up for the next production sooner rather than later
  • IGotTheMessageIGotTheMessage United States
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    The forum doesn’t seem to be as lively these days as it once was. I could be wrong, but that is the vibe which I am getting.

    Being that we know that absolutely nothing was done towards another Bond film prior to the sale in February and that it will take some time for them to get things worked out from here, my guess is that the next Bond film will probably not come out until 2028. 2028 would be my guess at this point as to release year.

    The forum was very lively in February past when the news broke about the Amazon takeover. I noticed there were over 90 members signed in at one point which I haven't witnessed for years. It brought a lot of absent members out of the woodwork which was great to see. There have also been a good few new members who have joined recently so I think the future of the community is secure for the foreseeable future. Don't write us off just yet. 2028 seems too late to me as well. They'll be aiming for 2027 I'd imagine or a little earlier if they can manage it.

    Yeah, it is certainly possible, but if that is the objective then they are going to need to get things moving, as you would need to be filming from say December of 2026 to June of 2027 at the latest for an October/November of 2027 release (as Bond films usually don’t require too long of a post-filming period prior to release due to such a large proportion of everything being actually performed as compared to done via special effects). That is a year and a half away and nothing at all appears to have been done prior to February of this year, so they would need to get going. Certainly doable, but again, they would need to begin to get on it.
  • Posts: 421
    It all depends on the style of the films they choose.
    I often see here people stating we whould get a 007 film every year or two years.
    It's not possible, with the current style of the films with lots of crazy stunts and special effects. You need one year to write/prep, about one year for shooting and post, and one year promotion while the next one is written. That's three years minimum.
    However, if you go back to less flashy bombastic style of the early 3/4 films, it could be doable. But will people accept Bond films with next to zero VFX and only a handful of crazy stunts?
    I'm not certain.
  • edited April 11 Posts: 5,002
    A Bond film coming out consistently every two years isn't something I'd bank on either (not to say it's impossible, but it's unlikely). To be honest there are many circumstances where you don't want to churn out Bond films at that rate in order to maintain quality.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Stamper wrote: »
    It all depends on the style of the films they choose.
    I often see here people stating we whould get a 007 film every year or two years.
    It's not possible, with the current style of the films with lots of crazy stunts and special effects. You need one year to write/prep, about one year for shooting and post, and one year promotion while the next one is written. That's three years minimum.
    However, if you go back to less flashy bombastic style of the early 3/4 films, it could be doable. But will people accept Bond films with next to zero VFX and only a handful of crazy stunts?
    I'm not certain.

    However much I'd like it they take that direction, I find it highly unlikely.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    I think Amazon will prioritize getting a few films made quickly to make sure the character is well established for their iteration and tenure as owners.
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    Then we are heading TV movie style filmmaking with obvious VFX territory. Like the last Bad Boys or Beverly Hills Cop 4 films. Maybe complete green screen films like the Marvel films where the actors never meet each other until promotion.
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