The theories of Bond films! How did the real Bert Saxby know to head out and kill Willard Whyte?

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  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Mallory wrote: »
    Q Branch has smart blood, so maybe they injected him with their other inject-able gadget... Smart Sperm. :D

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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    He has a powerful weapon
    He charges a million per shot
    ...

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  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Oh my are these last responses hilarious! WOW made my day!

    On to another theory about our favourite secret agent.

    Lets dive back to FRWL, a great film and one scene jumps out at me. Bond gets Tatiana to give up the secrets of the LECTOR. The tape is played for M and various government officials. At one point Bond starts to relay a story of a time when M and him got into mischief in Tokyo.

    I wonder what is your theory behind the story? Is Bond making this up to impress Tatiana about his hijinks? Or did M and Bond really have a wild time in Tokyo?

    What is your theory did Bond and M really have a wild time in Tokyo once?
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    My head canon is he was making something up since he tells Henderson he never was in Japan before in YOLT, even though this could be (and probably is) a simple continuity error. Perhaps there was something similar though like an inside joke that M didn’t want anyone else to hear further.
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    I see it as Bond having a go at his boss cause he knew at least Moneypenny if not others would be there listening to the tape. It's why a film like FRWL still holds up and is more amusing than some of the more broad humor that would come later in the series.
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    BT3366 wrote: »
    I see it as Bond having a go at his boss cause he knew at least Moneypenny if not others would be there listening to the tape. It's why a film like FRWL still holds up and is more amusing than some of the more broad humor that would come later in the series.

    Well said, agreed.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Paul King for Bond 26
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    thedove wrote: »
    What is your theory did Bond and M really have a wild time in Tokyo once?

    Of course they did. Bond also had some fun times with the Minister of Defence. I understand Amazon is preparing a spinoff film about that. It's called FIFTY SHADES OF GRAY. They're Keen to start filming.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    Of course they did. Bond also had some fun times with the Minister of Defence. I understand Amazon is preparing a spinoff film about that. It's called FIFTY SHADES OF GRAY. They're Keen to start filming.
    Nice.


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    "You've hardly distinguished yourself, have you? You were supposed to record Miss Romanova, not discuss what I do in my own time. And that experience in Tokyo was certainly a one-off. What do you know about prostitutes? Not cheap, high class."

    "I know one when I see one."

    "Meet me here at 7:00. Black tie."
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    There is a tie for winning the internet today! @QBranch and @mattjoes Wow you guys had me laughing quite loudly. Love both posts. LOL!!

  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Flamboyant first meeting at the top of Tokyo Tower. Somber visit to the Yokohama Commonwealth War Cemetery and words of remembrance for the Commonwealth servicemen that died as POWs during World War II ("To those who gave their all, may their courage and bravery never be forgotten!").

    M seized the opportunity to visit the Daimyo Clock Museum (大名時計博物館) for its display of Japanese clocks from the Edo period. Then a circuit through lepidoptera viewing locations at the Tama Zoological Park Insectopia, the National Museum of Nature and Science in Ueno Park, and the Fabre Insect Museum. Rounding out the series at the University Museum of the University of Tokyo for its extensive collection of butterfly specimens.

    A thrilling sumo wrestling event was pursued but denied--they had the wrong date and time. (The Museum of Maritime Science made a suitable substitute.) Relaxing (but platonic) visit to a geisha house. "Late night" dining on carefully prepared (and potentially poisonous) blowfish.

    Caught up in the spirit of adventure, M had a nightcap: "Electric Brandy", a sweet, spicy cocktail made with brandies and liqueurs. (Bond regretted trying a "Tokyo Tea": a cocktail with a mix of gin, melon liqueur, rum, tequila, triple sec, vodka, sweet and sour mix, and club soda.) Then back to the Imperial Hotel before curfew.

    Just kidding. Bond and M did not have a wild time in Tokyo.

  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Flamboyant first meeting at the top of Tokyo Tower. Somber visit to the Yokohama Commonwealth War Cemetery and words of remembrance for the Commonwealth servicemen that died as POWs during World War II ("To those who gave their all, may their courage and bravery never be forgotten!").

    M seized the opportunity to visit the Daimyo Clock Museum (大名時計博物館) for its display of Japanese clocks from the Edo period. Then a circuit through lepidoptera viewing locations at the Tama Zoological Park Insectopia, the National Museum of Nature and Science in Ueno Park, and the Fabre Insect Museum. Rounding out the series at the University Museum of the University of Tokyo for its extensive collection of butterfly specimens.

    A thrilling sumo wrestling event was pursued but denied--they had the wrong date and time. (The Museum of Maritime Science made a suitable substitute.) Relaxing (but platonic) visit to a geisha house. "Late night" dining on carefully prepared (and potentially poisonous) blowfish.

    Caught up in the spirit of adventure, M had a nightcap: "Electric Brandy", a sweet, spicy cocktail made with brandies and liqueurs. (Bond regretted trying a "Tokyo Tea": a cocktail with a mix of gin, melon liqueur, rum, tequila, triple sec, vodka, sweet and sour mix, and club soda.) Then back to the Imperial Hotel before curfew.

    Just kidding. Bond and M did not have a wild time in Tokyo.

    Bond had, and as M was the first face he saw when he came round, and M was wearing some ladies'underwear on his head, he'd presumed M had awild time too. Truth is, M walked in whilst Bond was - very drunkenly- doing a stripshow in lingerie borrowed from one of the ladies he was entertaining, and the reason he remembered is because M slapped him in the face to get his focus back. The knickers just landed on M at the same time.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    These guys were just keeping the British End up.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
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    Always thought he was making it up as he was being recorded and wanted to cheer Moneypenny, but would love to see this idea developed by Amazon. Perhaps as a Fear and Loathing type spin off were Bond and M wander Tokyo wasted, throwing up on the street and all sorts.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I must say these are quite clever and many had me rolling! Good stuff indeed.

    Lets move on to the next one, I put this one out there with some hesitation. The film in question is MR. The villain in question is Drax. I have never quite got my head around why Drax would want harm to come to Bond upon first meeting each other? By harming him, isn't he inviting suspicion to himself? Bond is there to merely investigate the theft and if Drax doesn't harm him wouldn't Bond have no leads? Instead he harms Bond who then seduces Corinne and the movie unfolds from there.

    Why does Drax harm Bond when they first meet in MR?

    This might be a case of lazy scriptwriting by Wood, but maybe there is a theory out there that can give some thought to why Drax did this deed.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I guess he's only a few days (? How long a period does MR happen over?) away from launching his mission and killing everyone on the planet, so as long as he just slows down any potential investigation which could put an immediate spanner in the works, even by just a matter of days, he'll win. Bond will appear to have died in an accident, MI6 won't necessarily be able to prove anything and will be suspicious and send another agent, but they will have been slowed down by a day or two, and that's all Drax needs.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Villainy. Ego.

    I could see Drax looking forward to complaining to M (who travels the chateaux to apologize in person) that the agent they sent put everyone on the compound in danger because he was followed by assassins. Assassins trying to kill the British agent. What was that all about.

    Then he'd offer M a cucumber sandwich.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    I guess he's only a few days (? How long a period does MR happen over?) away from launching his mission and killing everyone on the planet, so as long as he just slows down any potential investigation which could put an immediate spanner in the works, even by just a matter of days, he'll win. Bond will appear to have died in an accident, MI6 won't necessarily be able to prove anything and will be suspicious and send another agent, but they will have been slowed down by a day or two, and that's all Drax needs.

    Yes, I think so too. The centrifuge wasn't such a bad idea after all. Bond's heart could have unexpectedly failed during the try-out. It would not have been too suspicious.

    I always found Zorin a lot clumsier. With only a few days until Main Strike, he should have treaded more carefully. Cheating at horse racing, killing a low-level private investigator in plain sight and driving the escape boat himself, trying to take out two MI6 operatives and a CIA agent, infuriating the KGB, and setting fire to San Francisco city hall seems like a lot of hubris for even a man like Zorin. Plus, his is not a post-Apocalyptic world to return to. People may still discover his involvement in the geological disaster that has struck Silicon Valley, especially with all the red flags he enjoys waving in everyone's face.

    Drax has less to lose, I suppose. Once he's in space, he can direct his obliteration of mankind from there and not have to worry about secret services looking into it.
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    It's a combination of things. Drax may have thought throwing a scare into Bond may have led him to back off and report back to his superiors nothing going on and Drax was likely arrogant enough to not think of Bond as being a worthy pest he would eventually become.

    Also, Drax asked Chang that some harm come to Bond and just maybe Chang took his sadistic side a bit too far. It was the Corinne seduction that solidified trying another attempt on Bond. That one was much worse in terms of keeping the suspicion on him. Again, it's his arrogance and people like Frederick Grey more worried about saving face later on that make Bond and M keep the investigation going.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
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    Drax is a megalomaniac narcissist. He probably decided to have Bond whacked because his resident ladies eyed him up. Maybe he was bored.

    What I'd really like to know is who he is calling regarding Jaws and why in this good earth does he think Jaws, Jaws, would be a useful asset.
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    That's because Jaws is a useful asset. Completely indestructible, very efficient as an assassin, the only times he fails is only because of Bond, and he is the only henchman to have survived the experience, more than once. As for who he is calling, my best guess would be Hnechmen 'r Us.
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    mtm wrote: »
    I guess he's only a few days (? How long a period does MR happen over?) away from launching his mission and killing everyone on the planet, so as long as he just slows down any potential investigation which could put an immediate spanner in the works, even by just a matter of days, he'll win. Bond will appear to have died in an accident, MI6 won't necessarily be able to prove anything and will be suspicious and send another agent, but they will have been slowed down by a day or two, and that's all Drax needs.

    Yeah, I'd agree with that. That and he wanted to kill Bond in an amusing way so planned out elaborate ways of doing so...

    It's very much like most of MR's logic - it kinda makes sense but only in the narrowest possible way.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    What I'd really like to know is who he is calling regarding Jaws and why in this good earth does he think Jaws, Jaws, would be a useful asset.

    Yeah there does seem to be some sort of henchman employment agency you can call up doesn't there. "Oh well if you think you can get him.."
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Speaking of Jaws and MR, I have always wondered about who Jaws is working for in the PTS of MR.

    In the novelization of MR Wood fleshes it out and says the plane attack was the remnant of Stromberg's organization and that is why Jaws is there to finish Bond off. But the film leaves this ambiguous and Bond seems non-plussed that an old foe has returned to knock him off. Course we also don't know if MR is right after Spy or whether 2 years has passed.

    Who is Jaws working for in the PTS of MR?

    Is he in business for himself? Did he hire the pilot and flight attendant to help him with this plan? Or was he under orders of someone else?

    Would love to hear theories on who Jaws is working for in the PTS of MR.
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    Jaws wants revenge for being beaten by Bond at the end of TSWLM, so is working freelance in my head cannon.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Whoever the other two Apollo Airlines staff are working for, I guess whoever it is Bond has just been battling on the latest mission he's flying home from.
  • He's working for Karl Stromberg and Hugo Drax respectively is he not. They're his direct command ?
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    He's working for Karl Stromberg and Hugo Drax respectively is he not. They're his direct command ?

    Yet Stromberg is dead at the end of Spy, Drax has Chang has his henchman at the beginning of MR. That is until Bond disposes of him in Italy.

    So who was Jaws working for in the PTS of MR? Drax hadn't hired him yet and Stromberg was dead. Did he go freelance and hire the pilot and flight attendant? Or were the three of them hired by someone else to knock off Bond?
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Presumably Jaws was working for the man with the moustache in the plane who fires bullets into the controls? If he was just a henchman then presumably they're all working for an unseen megalomaniac? The traditional Bond PTS often had nothing to do with the story of the rest of the film and was just Bond finishing up his previous mission. This is merely another example of that.
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    thedove wrote: »
    He's working for Karl Stromberg and Hugo Drax respectively is he not. They're his direct command ?

    Yet Stromberg is dead at the end of Spy, Drax has Chang has his henchman at the beginning of MR. That is until Bond disposes of him in Italy.

    So who was Jaws working for in the PTS of MR? Drax hadn't hired him yet and Stromberg was dead. Did he go freelance and hire the pilot and flight attendant? Or were the three of them hired by someone else to knock off Bond?

    I haven't watched MR for a long time, but Alare we sure he hadn't been hired yet by Drax? And surely Drax can have more than one henchman. My bet: he's been fairly recently hired by Drax, he told him MI6 will most likely send Bond when the shuttle disappears, so Drax tells him to kill Bond even before he starts his mission. Even if Jaws failed in the PTS, nobody could fault his commitment, or his work ethic.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Interesting thought. I am pretty sure Jaws isn't in the employ of Drax at the start of the film. About halfway through Drax is observed on a phone saying "Oh if you can get him". Like he's hiring a new henchman. The next scene is Jaws attempting to get through the metal detectors at the airport. My goodness is MR a fun yarn.

    No we can be fairly certain he isn't in the employ of Sir Hugo yet.
  • thedove wrote: »
    Interesting thought. I am pretty sure Jaws isn't in the employ of Drax at the start of the film. About halfway through Drax is observed on a phone saying "Oh if you can get him". Like he's hiring a new henchman. The next scene is Jaws attempting to get through the metal detectors at the airport. My goodness is MR a fun yarn.

    No we can be fairly certain he isn't in the employ of Sir Hugo yet.
    Correct. Drax only hired Jaws later to replace Chang. “Oh if you can get him of course. “
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