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The theories of Bond films! How did the real Bert Saxby know to head out and kill Willard Whyte?

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  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    My question is that how did Bond not notice him in the cockpit the entire time?
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    My question is that how did Bond not notice him in the cockpit the entire time?

    He was dressed as the tea lady at first. It's an easy mistake to make. ;)
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    My question is that how did Bond not notice him in the cockpit the entire time?
    Doors.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    QBranch wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    My question is that how did Bond not notice him in the cockpit the entire time?
    Doors.

    I went back and watched and the door was shut the whole time. You can only see Jaws's leg during the fight
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I think he was operating as a lone wolf on a personal revenge mission.

    In hindsight I would have finished off Jaws in the PTS and moved on from the character.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Mr. Jaws is a special man—one might say a complicated man. He may not even be a real man, but an abstraction of one. He enjoys shark for lunch and cable car fibre for dinner. Girls with or without glasses, with or without braces, with or without ponytails, and with or without blonde hair strike his fancy. Mr. Jaws loves to unwind in ancient Egyptian ruins deep in the blazing desert. His other hobbies include flyswimming towards circuses and dressing up for carnival. He's not someone to know socially, however. And he doesn't take too kindly to being expelled from a space station. His smile is magnetic, though. So yes, a complicated man.

    But there's one thing you should really know about Mr. Jaws. This,

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    is not him.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
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    He was working for the same agency Drax spoke to on the phone. How much would we like the number to that lunatic asylum?
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    In the PTS, Bond is doing the part we usually don't see: cleaning up the remnants of Stromberg's empire. After his demise, some regional managers tried to keep their part of the business going. The local manager of this smuggling operation managed to get Jaws out of the water, and hired him, as he is a freelancer.
    Obviously, as Bond thwarts the ressurection of Stromberg's empire, Jaws ends up without an assignment (again), until Drax's HR department calls him to see if he's interested to take Chang's place. He's made a bit of a name for himself in the underworld, and isn't too hard to track.
  • Scaramanga1974Scaramanga1974
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    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    In the PTS, Bond is doing the part we usually don't see: cleaning up the remnants of Stromberg's empire. After his demise, some regional managers tried to keep their part of the business going. The local manager of this smuggling operation managed to get Jaws out of the water, and hired him, as he is a freelancer.
    Obviously, as Bond thwarts the ressurection of Stromberg's empire, Jaws ends up without an assignment (again), until Drax's HR department calls him to see if he's interested to take Chang's place. He's made a bit of a name for himself in the underworld, and isn't too hard to track.

    Great shout
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Love it @CommanderRoss that ties in closely with what Wood wrote in the MR novelization. Love that idea, a shame it wasn't more clearly developed for the film.

    Lets stay in the 70's. Lets dive into DAF again.

    Bond uses the voice changer to have a phone discussion with Blofeld and finds out where Whyte is being kept. Blofeld further instructs "Saxby" to kill Whyte and to make it clean. Bond does get to Whyte and manages to free him, but who should show up but Bert Saxby.

    How did the real Saxby know to kill Whyte?

    Did Blofeld call Saxby back to provide further details? Did Saxby get reamed out before heading out to the do the deed? Wouldn't Blofeld realize something wasn't right and send more than 1 man to do the deed?

    As Fiona says in TB, questions questions questions!

    What is your theory in how Saxby heads out to off Mr. Whyte?
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    It's been a while since I've seen the film, but from what I remember Bond actually seems quite surprised that Saxby appears, and it seems to be something of an ambush. Immediately afterwards Case is abducted. So it's not quite a plot hole (and let's be honest, DAF has some). I would guess perhaps Blofeld thought something was up when Bond called impersonating Saxby (I think he even asks whether he has a cold and why he's being so panicky, presumably thinking it's out of character for him). So he probably called Saxby back and quickly realised what was going on.

    To be honest, I suspect there'd have been a slightly better action scene in Saxby and perhaps some SPECTRE men ambushing bond rather than Bond battling Bambi and Thumper (charming as they are). As for why Saxby decides to show up on his own, perhaps he presumed that Bond would be alone and not expecting a counterattack?
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
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    Saxby didn't. It was DAF and the plot demanded a bit of action dare talking bore the audience.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    There's this thing at Circus Circus.

    Zoltar Speaks
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
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    Felix Leiter is a double agent. He knew that Willard Whyte was going to be executed.

  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Blofeld was more than suspicious receiving that phone call, since he'd already instructed Wint and Kidd to kill Bert (punishment for letting Bond follow him out to the lab). After the conversation, Blofeld realized he needed Bert for one last task, and pulled one of Bert's doppelgängers out of storage, sending this duplicate out to the summerhouse to assassinate Whyte and intercept the imposter on the line. This is why Bert's aim is off - he's still fresh out the fridge. It seems we're treated with a surprise re-appearance of him, but no, this is Bert Faxby.
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