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EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards (Heyman and Pascal confirmed as producers)

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  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
    edited April 16 Posts: 2,505
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I'm not a fan of the Nine Eyes thing for what it's worth and think it could have been done better (I doubt that comes down to the writers planning the ending beforehand though). I thought the nanobots in NTTD was a massive improvement in the sense that it felt scary and dangerous.

    I thought Nine Eyes was interesting and I agree it could’ve been much better. In a post Edward Snowden world, the idea of a real world “Nine Eyes” counterpart ran by nefarious people actually terrifies me somewhat.

    It was a solid concept that wasn’t well executed.

    I’d say that that plot got lost in all the drafts that were done when the various creatives weren’t liking the third act (but if they exorcised it from the final scripts/shooting draft(s), then many elements of Spectre would have collapsed. They didn’t want to delay shooting and kept polishing a deeply flawed script when, ideally, they should have scrapped the script, delayed shooting, and started on a page).

    I don’t know much about the various rewrites but you’re more than likely on the ball with that one. It did feel as if the main scheme did take a back seat to everything else going in SPECTRE so yeah it’s not really memorable.

    Which has been my point the whole time, thank you. :)>-

    Oh I’m sorry I thought your point was about how “B25” used Bond’s death as a concept to work backwards and form a story, but then you were confronted with the fact that most films operate like that - so you moved your goalposts to talking about why Nine Eyes didn’t work. You’re still very much off the mark about “B25.”
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited April 16 Posts: 17,792
    peter wrote: »
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I'm not a fan of the Nine Eyes thing for what it's worth and think it could have been done better (I doubt that comes down to the writers planning the ending beforehand though). I thought the nanobots in NTTD was a massive improvement in the sense that it felt scary and dangerous.

    I thought Nine Eyes was interesting and I agree it could’ve been much better. In a post Edward Snowden world, the idea of a real world “Nine Eyes” counterpart ran by nefarious people actually terrifies me somewhat.

    It was a solid concept that wasn’t well executed.

    I’d say that that plot got lost in all the drafts that were done when the various creatives weren’t liking the third act (but if they exorcised it from the final scripts/shooting draft(s), then many elements of Spectre would have collapsed. They didn’t want to delay shooting and kept polishing a deeply flawed script when, ideally, they should have scrapped the script, delayed shooting, and started on a page).

    You're probably right, and yet I must admit I do like quite a few of the ideas in Spectre, I think there's good stuff in there. They just never quite got them all working together. I'd love to see a script doctor take it apart and make it work.
    Although I don't hate it as much as some folk, I think the foster brother thing would ultimately go as it just doesn't really add anything.

    One thing I do like from one of the earlier drafts is that M exposes Denbeigh in his big launch of the new system in front of a respected delegation of guests by using the surveillance system against him and revealing how he's been working with a mega criminal all along. Seems like a fitting denouement for C, is nicely not something Bond would have done, and I always like it when a baddie gets hoist by their own petard.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited April 16 Posts: 6,653
    mtm wrote: »
    Are we calling Mathis a loved one?

    What makes you think this was his first time? ;)
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,842
    Who else does Bond have at that point in QoS? If Mathis isn't considered a loved one, then he's the closest he's got.
  • ShakenNotStirredShakenNotStirred San Monique
    Posts: 1,415
    Hoping it's something like Goldeneye and Casino Royale, both the high points for the last two Bond actors. Bond needs humor but also needs to be taken seriously. The early Connery films really nail this down also.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,842
    ShakenNotStirred wrote: »
    Hoping it's something like Goldeneye and Casino Royale, both the high points for the last two Bond actors. Bond needs humor but also needs to be taken seriously. The early Connery films really nail this down also.

    I agree, and it's amazing how unfashionable to say this has become in recent years.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,566
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I'm not a fan of the Nine Eyes thing for what it's worth and think it could have been done better (I doubt that comes down to the writers planning the ending beforehand though). I thought the nanobots in NTTD was a massive improvement in the sense that it felt scary and dangerous.

    I thought Nine Eyes was interesting and I agree it could’ve been much better. In a post Edward Snowden world, the idea of a real world “Nine Eyes” counterpart ran by nefarious people actually terrifies me somewhat.

    It was a solid concept that wasn’t well executed.

    I’d say that that plot got lost in all the drafts that were done when the various creatives weren’t liking the third act (but if they exorcised it from the final scripts/shooting draft(s), then many elements of Spectre would have collapsed. They didn’t want to delay shooting and kept polishing a deeply flawed script when, ideally, they should have scrapped the script, delayed shooting, and started on a page).

    I don’t know much about the various rewrites but you’re more than likely on the ball with that one. It did feel as if the main scheme did take a back seat to everything else going in SPECTRE so yeah it’s not really memorable.

    Which has been my point the whole time, thank you. :)>-

    Oh I’m sorry I thought your point was about how “B25” used Bond’s death as a concept to work backwards and form a story, but then you were confronted with the fact that most films operate like that - so you moved your goalposts to talking about why Nine Eyes didn’t work. You’re still very much off the mark about “B25.”

    You nailed it, @007ClassicBondFan … @Mendes4Lyfe is a fascinating person, desperate to be right in everything; he’ll twist and deform narratives to try and say, “I’m right!!!”… Very, very needy personality, and his MO is to always move goalposts. It’s a tough way of getting through life, but whatever, all peace to him (especially when he’s mistaken about 98% of the time; I’m convinced the guy never watched “B25” since he’s been inaccurate in describing quite a number of scenes.


    mtm wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I'm not a fan of the Nine Eyes thing for what it's worth and think it could have been done better (I doubt that comes down to the writers planning the ending beforehand though). I thought the nanobots in NTTD was a massive improvement in the sense that it felt scary and dangerous.

    I thought Nine Eyes was interesting and I agree it could’ve been much better. In a post Edward Snowden world, the idea of a real world “Nine Eyes” counterpart ran by nefarious people actually terrifies me somewhat.

    It was a solid concept that wasn’t well executed.

    I’d say that that plot got lost in all the drafts that were done when the various creatives weren’t liking the third act (but if they exorcised it from the final scripts/shooting draft(s), then many elements of Spectre would have collapsed. They didn’t want to delay shooting and kept polishing a deeply flawed script when, ideally, they should have scrapped the script, delayed shooting, and started on a page).

    You're probably right, and yet I must admit I do like quite a few of the ideas in Spectre, I think there's good stuff in there. They just never quite got them all working together. I'd love to see a script doctor take it apart and make it work.
    Although I don't hate it as much as some folk, I think the foster brother thing would ultimately go as it just doesn't really add anything.

    One thing I do like from one of the earlier drafts is that M exposes Denbeigh in his big launch of the new system in front of a respected delegation of guests by using the surveillance system against him and revealing how he's been working with a mega criminal all along. Seems like a fitting denouement for C, is nicely not something Bond would have done, and I always like it when a baddie gets hoist by their own petard.

    I agree with you, @mtm … there are quite a few things in the script that have incredible concepts behind them. And like you, i’d love to see a script doctor try and make those good ideas come to life on the page (and yes, lol, I think foster bros would be flushed!).
  • FrankXavierFrankXavier
    Posts: 698
    Since we were talking about composers for a bit, I'd like to suggest Martin Phipps who did splendid work on The Crown. I can perfectly see these tracks fitting Skyfall for example:



  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,792
    That first one actually is the Bond theme!
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,748
    There's only one way for Amazon to unite fans, release all the Jamaica scenes from NTTD, including the Speargun stuff cut from the trailer
    no-time-to-die-filming-locations.jpg
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
    Posts: 583
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    There's only one way for Amazon to unite fans, release all the Jamaica scenes from NTTD, including the Speargun stuff cut from the trailer
    no-time-to-die-filming-locations.jpg

    I would love to see all the cut or deleted scenes from the last three Craig movies. I think there were some scenes cut from Spectre to comply with Guidance Certificates.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,566
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    ShakenNotStirred wrote: »
    Hoping it's something like Goldeneye and Casino Royale, both the high points for the last two Bond actors. Bond needs humor but also needs to be taken seriously. The early Connery films really nail this down also.

    I agree, and it's amazing how unfashionable to say this has become in recent years.

    You’re making things up again. Posters here and elsewhere criticize the silly, childish one liners like “your momma”, or, “that’s a name to die for”, and puns like, “I thought Christmas only came once a year”. No one has ever had a bone to pick with many of the fine and fun examples of humour in Bond films.

    🙄
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,792
    Yeah I couldn't understand what point was being made there. The perception of the Craig films always seems to be that they're humourless (despite not being so) so I was puzzled as to how the idea of taking Bond seriously can be seen as unfashionable.
  • NoTimeToLiveNoTimeToLive Jamaica
    edited April 17 Posts: 141
    I'm still waiting for Mendes4Lyfe to point out where all the Brofield fans are, as he claimed that eveyone defended the decision of making Bond and Blofeld step-brothers out of a bias towards Craig movies (when, to my memory, such decision has been criticised to death).
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,460
    I want the charade between Bond and the villain to return fully in Bond 26. Bond attending the villain's party, Bond having dinner with the villain, etc. I also want Bond's slick escapes from the baddies to return. Brosnan's Bond was so good at doing that.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,566
    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah I couldn't understand what point was being made there. The perception of the Craig films always seems to be that they're humourless (despite not being so) so I was puzzled as to how the idea of taking Bond seriously can be seen as unfashionable.
    Pretty sure Mendes doesn’t know what he’s saying half the time…So long as there’s the undercurrent of malice towards the last era, he’s quite comfy…


    NoTimeToLive wrote: »
    I'm still waiting for Mendes4Lyfe to point out where all the Brofield fans are, as he claimed that eveyone defended the decision of making Bond and Blofeld step-brothers out of a bias towards Craig movies (when, to my memory, such decision has been criticised to death).

    He just makes stuff up to fit his anti Craig bias.
  • HitchBondUSAHitchBondUSA USA
    Posts: 229
    I felt the Craig era was mixed it had it's good parts and not so good. Casino Royale being one of the good parts that film is a masterpiece 👌.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,566
    HitchBondUSA wrote: »
    I felt the Craig era was mixed it had it's good parts and not so good. Casino Royale being one of the good parts that film is a masterpiece 👌.

    And this is the same for any film series: highs and lows. It's how you respond with the next film that is telling of the talent of the producers. For every TMWTGG, AVTAK, DAD, QoS there's a TSWLM, TLD, CR, SF.

    That's why I thought EoN was the best in the business. And after 60 years, when looked at as a whole, their 25 films are damned enviable.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited April 18 Posts: 5,048
    Yes, I'd say that while on this site we tend to have very specific ideas about what we think a Bond film should be like (and even that can differ from person to person quite frankly) I'd argue there's nothing inherently unusual about the Craig era output. When I look back on the Connery or Moore eras it's difficult not to get the sense that the films eventually got bigger, more outlandish, dabbled in some quirky ideas, and to some extent felt like they eventually veered away from the paths they'd initially set. There were definitely highs and lows throughout all these tenures, even just within the same individual films! In many ways I think the Craig era was more consistent than the Connery one in particular (it's only my individual opinion - I find YOLT and TB a bit underwhelming, DAF a bit too odd and not very well made for my tastes, and would rank them quite a bit lower than SP and NTTD frankly. I don't know how uncommon an opinion that is to be honest, and I suspect it depends on many factors).

    As I always say every Bond film is someone's favourite (and least so). But I also think any Bond actor's tenure can be described as 'mixed' when you get to the point they've more than three of them.
  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,833

    Highlander prequel with Cavill now moved to Amazon MGM...

    Not that I want Cavill as Bond, but I thought I'd share this here, relevant or not.

    https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/1958478-henry-cavills-highlander-reboot-moving-to-amazon-mgm-studios
  • 007HallY007HallY
    Posts: 5,048
    If anything that would point to Cavill not playing Bond, surely? If they want to create a full Highlander franchise with other films and tv shows, then they'd need Cavill committed to that role.

    Obviously never say never, but I'm not sure if even under Amazon Cavill is necessarily a top pick for various reasons.
  • K2WIK2WI Europe
    Posts: 36
    007HallY wrote: »
    If anything that would point to Cavill not playing Bond, surely? If they want to create a full Highlander franchise with other films and tv shows, then they'd need Cavill committed to that role.

    Obviously never say never, but I'm not sure if even under Amazon Cavill is necessarily a top pick for various reasons.

    Cavill is also signed up for Voltron and Warhammer, both of which are certainly also being developed as franchises by Amazon.

    Even with all of these being under the Amazon roof, I find it hard to believe he can do all of them plus Bond.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,555
    It becomes clearer and clearer that for Cavill that ship has sailed long ago.
  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,833
    One surely hopes so 🤞
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,653
    I just think they're going to go younger, like late 20s or early 30s, hopefully to get five films out of Bond #7, like Craig. I can't imagine they want to keep recasting it.
  • dewiparrydewiparry
    Posts: 87
    echo wrote: »
    I just think they're going to go younger, like late 20s or early 30s, hopefully to get five films out of Bond #7, like Craig. I can't imagine they want to keep recasting it.
    That's a good age range for the Bond girls.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    Posts: 5,048
    K2WI wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    If anything that would point to Cavill not playing Bond, surely? If they want to create a full Highlander franchise with other films and tv shows, then they'd need Cavill committed to that role.

    Obviously never say never, but I'm not sure if even under Amazon Cavill is necessarily a top pick for various reasons.

    Cavill is also signed up for Voltron and Warhammer, both of which are certainly also being developed as franchises by Amazon.

    Even with all of these being under the Amazon roof, I find it hard to believe he can do all of them plus Bond.

    Yeah, I'd be very surprised if they went with him.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    Posts: 1,825
    Amazon clearly loves him but he must be too old now.
  • HitchBondUSAHitchBondUSA USA
    Posts: 229
    peter wrote: »
    HitchBondUSA wrote: »
    I felt the Craig era was mixed it had it's good parts and not so good. Casino Royale being one of the good parts that film is a masterpiece 👌.

    And this is the same for any film series: highs and lows. It's how you respond with the next film that is telling of the talent of the producers. For every TMWTGG, AVTAK, DAD, QoS there's a TSWLM, TLD, CR, SF.

    That's why I thought EoN was the best in the business. And after 60 years, when looked at as a whole, their 25 films are damned enviable.

    Agreed 👍 @peter I've been doing a deep dive into casino it's been fun 😁 I recently got a special edition of it too with new commentary!
  • HitchBondUSAHitchBondUSA USA
    edited April 19 Posts: 229
    https://www.facebook.com/share/1PCXE7NtNj/ apparently they are filming in Liverpool? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-14624049/amp/Amazon-bosses-Bond-shake-head-North.html
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