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SKYFALL: Is this the best Bond film?

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  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    peter wrote: »
    AnotherZorinStooge wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I do think Bond fans can be prone to getting a little too worked up trying to point out the 'holes' in SF's plot, or at least its illogicalities (if they even are). The contrivances really aren't as bad as other Bond films, and ultimately it can be a frustrating and somewhat pointless exercise trying to point all this stuff and relating it to the overall viewing experience.

    I dunno, I think if some people spent half as much time trying to work out why they don't like the film rather than trying to point out illogicalities, it'd probably be more worthwhile (and honestly, not liking a film is fair enough and can down to many things - maybe it's not what we as individual fans want from a Bond film, which is a whole other discussion. Maybe certain moments don't work for certain viewers etc.) It just seems like there's much more to talk about with this film's story - positive or negative - rather than why Q leaving digital 'breadcrumbs' or Silva setting up a trap for Bond is somehow stupid...

    The concepts are fine, the execution is poor. The Silvas plans make sense motivationally, but not practically. It takes me out of the film when the Subway crashes through the wall and... nothing else happens, no one is shown being hurt, and Bond just moves on and we never go back to this massive terrorist incident. It's silly. The trap could have been better. Everything about Skyfall and Spectre had decent ideas poorly executed, minus the brothers angle, which is just pure stupid.

    Sam Mendes has a way of showing you events without immersing me in them. My fav part of Skyfall was actually directed by Chris Corbould.

    That's about right.

    SF as a film is okay, it looks pretty and has some good, if unexceptional performances.

    It's whenever it gets rated as premier Bond, as it frequently does, which gets me.

    It's nowhere near.

    But to some it is the best— are you going to tell them they’re wrong?

    What if those same people who think Skyfall is number one, turned around and told you that your favourite Bond picture is nowhere close to being number one? Not even close. Bit disrespectful, no?

    Let people enjoy what they want to enjoy. Life is far more enjoyable that way.

    Criticism isn't hate, that's how I would take their notes on my favorite. Time to grow up
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Kind of uncalled for. Criticism/critical thinking is one thing. Coming on one thread for weeks at a time to say the same thing over and over, telling people why they shouldn't consider a film a favourite, or one of the best in a series is another.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    peter wrote: »
    Kind of uncalled for. Criticism/critical thinking is one thing. Coming on one thread for weeks at a time to say the same thing over and over, telling people why they shouldn't consider a film a favourite, or one of the best in a series is another.

    You're suddenly saying that's me? It's not my fault forum discussions can take months or years. Get over it if you think it's me because I couldn't care less bud. If you can't take criticism of skyfall you need to stay out of this thread I think. If it's unhealthy for you.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Kind of uncalled for. Criticism/critical thinking is one thing. Coming on one thread for weeks at a time to say the same thing over and over, telling people why they shouldn't consider a film a favourite, or one of the best in a series is another.

    You're suddenly saying that's me? It's not my fault forum discussions can take months or years. Get over it if you think it's me because I couldn't care less bud. If you can't take criticism of skyfall you need to stay out of this thread I think. If it's unhealthy for you.

    Not understanding the hostility?

    And no I wasn’t talking about you. I was talking about the relatively new member who comes on here blasting Skyfall— which has been going on for weeks now, with them saying the same thing over and over. And I finally responded, with my point being:

    They’re not going to change anyone’s mind about SF if the people they’re trying to get through to already consider it a top tier Bond film.

    That’s it.

    I’m honestly not understanding your hostility, so I’ll leave it at that.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    I can't blame an artist for disliking a critic, I guess.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    Criticism isn't hate, that's how I would take their notes on my favorite. Time to grow up

    This wasn’t about criticism of a film.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    peter wrote: »
    Kind of uncalled for. Criticism/critical thinking is one thing. Coming on one thread for weeks at a time to say the same thing over and over, telling people why they shouldn't consider a film a favourite, or one of the best in a series is another.

    Indeed. If we're all Bond fans, then we should be allowed to like what we like within the franchise. I am no fan of MR, but I recognize that people love it for its camp and silliness. I love DAF for the exact same reasons but never had that reaction to MR; it has never worked for me. But that doesn't mean it doesn't work for others--so be it. Variety is the spice of life.

  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Criticism is fine and fair, but after weeks and weeks of posts by one person, it’s clear they’re trying to control what ppl like and don’t like. It was odd, and I finally responded to it. I didn’t expect my reply to be considered ill-intended. Or controversial.

    People have a right to adore DAD or TMWTGG or whatever 007 picture they so choose; we can all argue the weaknesses of any of these films (and each, like any film, have flaws of one kind or another (whether top tier Bond, or not)).

    However, when one loves a film, they likely already know all the weaknesses and plot holes and mistakes, but they don’t care. That’s why art is subjective. Trust me, I know this firsthand as I love NTTD and have heard the disbelief by some fans on here; I’ve heard all the criticism and I see them myself. But I don’t care. It hit me harder than a Mike Tyson punch, and that’s all that matters.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    Oooh, @peter, we two often (or "too often"🙄?) share the same views about a movie or other aspects of the franchise, including the love for SF and NTTD. But we should be able to cope with even very insistent purveyors of the opposing view, or with criticism of some aspects of the movie we love, even if they come across as repetitive. Especially when the film itself, like NTTD, was obviously planned to be controversial by the creators. So while I don't want to be patronising in any way, I'd say: Cool down, my friend. Just don't LET them control what we like. We don't really care, and we know the shortcomings of every single Bond film anyway.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Oooh, @peter, we two often (or "too often"🙄?) share the same views about a movie or other aspects of the franchise, including the love for SF and NTTD. But we should be able to cope with even very insistent purveyors of the opposing view, or with criticism of some aspects of the movie we love, even if they come across as repetitive. Especially when the film itself, like NTTD, was obviously planned to be controversial by the creators. So while I don't want to be patronising in any way, I'd say: Cool down, my friend. Just don't LET them control what we like. We don't really care, and we know the shortcomings of every single Bond film anyway.

    Aye, well put.

    I have no interest in dominating or controlling how others feel about anything. Just offering my two cents like everybody else.

    The thread asks whether SF is the beat Bond. Not for me but so for you. Fair enough. I do take on board what you say, even if I disagree.

    Sorry for causing any offence.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
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    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    AnotherZorinStooge wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    I do agree with the comments re characters acting stupidly. The annoying thing is, it would not take much to tweek the script to deal with these issues but, at the same time, retain the feel and themes of the movie. It's a strange one.

    I think the character's dumbing was amplified because of QOS' negativity. Too serious. Too convoluted. Too Bourne.

    It's clear the production chimed in with the now awkward oven-ready 2012-era of Brittanic iconography; one of Olympic Games and royal occasion street parties. To alter this aesthetic would be to alter the feel of the entire movie; its teleology and purpose.

    Skyfall's patriotism is of the pro-Union blend. Country: England. M's Bulldog. He can't wait to leave bloody Scotland (then musing independence). Mallory's chops vindicated suffering the anti-union IRA. The Union flag is an ever present symbol displaying glorious hope, only ever besmirched by 'Johnny Foreigner' Silva. Skyfall insists: Don't forget pathetic love of country.

    You can't have brooding introverts pondering into their fourth gin about what side they're on, or who the real bad guys are. You need good ol' bloviating bluster.


    Bardem being the bad guy is very Brexit-esque.

    It is, yep. Johnny Foreigner. We opened our hearts to him and he went too far and compromised her maj's government, the fiendish fiend.

    Wonder how much QoS' shady triumvirate of Guy Haines, the special branch goon from TWINE who gets TSWLM'd and Mitchell inspired a no-Brits bad guy, and then the obvious awkwardness with Silva insisted on insipid Tory types like Denbigh afterward.

    I probably should put more thought into losing weight, getting a haircut and sorting it out with the wife, but, well real life just gets in the way, doesn't it?
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Maybe my messaging is being lost over the post, but I’m not upset in any way.

    I just saw one poster seemingly not content hearing why others may like a film, they also put down others and I just chimed in.

    Thanks for the message @j_w_pepper , you’re one of the all time good people on here, but really, I’m not upset, didn’t mean to be controversial and just thought a poster is a bit of a rude dude (he went so far as to say Mum was making things up, 😂. So I chimed in that you can’t control what other people like. That’s it).
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
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    Sorry to have offended or upset anyone.
    I'll give this thread a serve for a bit.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    AnotherZorinStooge wrote: »
    Sorry to have offended or upset anyone.
    I'll give this thread a serve for a bit.

    Quite honestly, and again, I need to reiterate: I’ve been off the site for a while and when I came on I saw your criticisms about SF. And noticed the repetitive nature of the posts. To be frank I thought at first, you must be trolling, but it’s obvious that you really can’t stand the film for its contrivances.

    I stepped in to ask you if you’d feel offended if someone told you, over and over, if your favourite Bond picture was flawed and suggested that you should perhaps let people like what they like.

    I mean, having a conversation about the films, criticizing them, breaking them open and dissecting them is what we do; I just thought that seems to be all you were willing to discuss: the mistakes of Skyfall. And then you remarked that a poster had made up details to, I suppose, serve his feelings about the film.

    My posts weren’t meant to stir up any controversy. And they certainly weren’t initiated out of anger or being upset.

    As I said earlier, I’ll leave it at that.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    For me, never mind, @AnotherZorinStooge. While I may not have agreed with a number of your posts (nor probably will), I found them overall refreshing, and especially enjoyed how you worded them.

    @peter, thanks for the exceptionally kind words, and I hope to keep deserving them.
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