Should we get a new M / Q / Moneypenny for BOND 26 and beyond ?

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  • Posts: 5,067
    I don’t think Moneypenny being an assistant or secretary - or indeed both - will matter because I don’t think she’ll be called either. She’ll just function onscreen and do what the story requires (and I think she’ll be given more to do than just flirt with Bond in a new film, even if it’s minor).
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yes I hope so; I liked her role in the recent movies, being a bit more active.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Q also isn't likely to be known as an armorer. Or armourer.

  • Posts: 356
    I really dislike this Team Bond approach, where MI6 only has three employees, who apparently do everything. Just ridiculous.

    M is the chief executive, and would have a private office. Moneypenny is in charge of that private office, and is a key role. She would have no time for popping out on missions.

    Similarly Q is the senior quartermaster, running a large department with a significant budget to manage, developing new technologies. He does not have time to pop out delivering messages to Bond in the field.

    If you want Bond to have a support team ,then fine. But they are different characters.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I prefer it when M, Moneypenny, and Q all remain within the physical confines of MI6.

    At MI6 Bond can be introduced to whatever expert he needs for the job at hand. Jim Fanning comes to mind.

    That keeps it fresher because there are new characters with limited roles in the story.
  • edited March 27 Posts: 4,724
    With Moneypenny, there is a compromise where she can play a more pivitol role but stay in the office and thats being an OSINT expert. They dont have typists any more but OSINT is now key so it gives the character a greater, more respectful role but avoids her being "in the field"
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
    edited March 31 Posts: 1,386
    Troy wrote: »
    I really dislike this Team Bond approach, where MI6 only has three employees, who apparently do everything. Just ridiculous.

    M is the chief executive, and would have a private office. Moneypenny is in charge of that private office, and is a key role. She would have no time for popping out on missions.

    Similarly Q is the senior quartermaster, running a large department with a significant budget to manage, developing new technologies. He does not have time to pop out delivering messages to Bond in the field.

    If you want Bond to have a support team ,then fine. But they are different characters.

    Which, just by the by, is the reason why the Craig films make much, much, much more sense if the Bond crew are all just working at/in charge of the 00 section instead of all of MI6. Dench-M is the boss of over 3.500 employees while running mission control for a single op? Not likely. Eve being put into admin duty as the executive assisstant to said boss of an entire government department? Again, not really. Makes much more sense if there are only a small number of employees and understanding the field side already is actually an asset. All of those employees being re-located to some bunkers? Nope. C even goes on and on about how the 00s are obsolete, as if Fiennes-M is only responsible for them and not a huge apparatus responsible for all kinds of foreign intelligence work around all that. Because that's what M is in that timeline. They just never say it.

    Edit: Oh, and this is one of the things Deaver got right in Carte Blanche and they should at least take as a background reality, even if they don't say it out loud. MI6 isn't the MI6 of Fleming's days anymore (if it was like the book version even in that time). It's a major bureaucracy. Taking the Bond support cast and putting them into their own side entity - the Overseas Development Group under the cover of Universal Exports in Carte Blanche - that very few people in the British government and Civil Service even know about makes way more sense.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 31 Posts: 17,829
    Yeah agreed, I think all of the films make more sense that way: that M is just in charge of the 00 section rather than all of MI6. I don't buy that the real C is personally briefing actual SIS officers.
    That's why I wouldn't mind the new films showing M having the idea for the 00s and setting up his own section of 'Red Indians'.
  • Posts: 518
    Absolutely, bring them all back and recast them all. I think the new Bond's first outing should only feature them minimally and preferably without introduction, I really have origin fatigue at this point.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited March 31 Posts: 6,655
    I agree. Bond 26 needs to establish the Bond actor. I don't need lots of M, Q, Moneypenny and think CR is stronger without the latter two.

    It really does make you feel like Bond is on his own at Casino Royale, the danger and isolation, not unlike OHMSS. I love that feel, and I hope that Bond 26 does something similar.
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    I still think from a marketing point of view, they will keep Fiennes as M and maybe even Wishaw as Q.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    I still think from a marketing point of view, they will keep Fiennes as M and maybe even Wishaw as Q.

    Yes, I've noticed that Fiennes actually has done a lot of movie sequels and franchises in general. From that viewpoint it would make sense for him to comeback as M (and hopefully be better written).
  • Posts: 15,533
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I still think from a marketing point of view, they will keep Fiennes as M and maybe even Wishaw as Q.

    Yes, I've noticed that Fiennes actually has done a lot of movie sequels and franchises in general. From that viewpoint it would make sense for him to comeback as M (and hopefully be better written).

    He's also a respected veteran actor and a bona fide thespian. Wishaw might come back because Paddington.
  • Posts: 96
    Can anyone see Naomie Harris coming back not as Moneypenny but as M?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 9:32am Posts: 17,829
    I'd be happy with that, yeah.

    Must admit I've been reading some Bond books recently and increasingly seeing Fiennes in my mind's eye. He's got the right sort of authority I think, I would not be upset to see him back, although I think they likely won't.
  • Posts: 96
    I like to see Ralph Fiennes back as M too but with that NTTD ending the chance of them coming back are slim I think.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
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    None of the actors portraying M, Q or Moneypenny in the previous few films (not Dench) have made any lasting impression. Naomie Harris is miscast as Moneypenny. Wishaw plays Wishaw. Fiennes' M isn't particularly memorable, either.

    Does the series actually need them is the pertinent question.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
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    mtm wrote: »
    I'd be happy with that, yeah.

    Must admit I've been reading some Bond books recently and increasingly seeing Fiennes in my mind's eye. He's got the right sort of authority I think, I would not be upset to see him back, although I think they likely won't.

    His authority was undercut in NTTD. Saying 'i messed up but I believe in democracy' isn't really good enough, even if you do get a comedy f-bomb. The Troubles-era backstory is something they can't reasonably develop without prompting an argument (a frequent bother with SF).

    There's too much of Q, Moneypenny, M and the new 007 in NTTD, and none of them particularly
    add anything past padding. They feel like adverts for potential spin-offs, which is not something we should become burdened with.

    I'd be in favour of losing them outright never mind recasting them.
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    Can anyone see Naomie Harris coming back not as Moneypenny but as M?

    Honestly, no. She lacks gravitas, the aura of authority and the kind of charisma that comes with it.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Can anyone see Naomie Harris coming back not as Moneypenny but as M?

    Honestly, no. She lacks gravitas, the aura of authority and the kind of charisma that comes with it.

    Have you seen Black Bag, by chance? She plays a spy therapist, quite authoritative imo. Good performance, I could see her as M.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    I'm in the minority on this one especially with the Ownership change, but I want them to lean into the "Bond family" history and turn it into the Mighty Bond Players. Just recycle the cast, but give them new roles. Kinnear becomes M for a few films, Fiennes finally gets to play a villain, Whishaw a local Station Chief who's been in the game too long (I'm possibly influenced by Black Doves here) and so on and so forth. For my money, the Bond actors are the only one's off limits, but other than that go crazy. Colin Salmon would be lovely as a tertiary character or as M. Toby Stephens and Rosamunde Pike could get some real roles. It would be great to see Michelle Yeoh again. Etc etc etc.

  • Posts: 15,533
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Can anyone see Naomie Harris coming back not as Moneypenny but as M?

    Honestly, no. She lacks gravitas, the aura of authority and the kind of charisma that comes with it.

    Have you seen Black Bag, by chance? She plays a spy therapist, quite authoritative imo. Good performance, I could see her as M.

    Haven't seen it yet, but I want to. I like Naomi Harris, she's a good actress, but so far there's nothing that makes me think M. She's also too attractive, (heck, I thought she looked too sexy for Moneypenny). Not to mention putting her in another role would be distracting.

    IF they want to bring back the old team, it should be in their initial roles. And because of their status as actors, I could only see Ralph Fiennes and Ben Wishaw returning.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
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    I'm in the minority on this one especially with the Ownership change, but I want them to lean into the "Bond family" history and turn it into the Mighty Bond Players. Just recycle the cast, but give them new roles. Kinnear becomes M for a few films, Fiennes finally gets to play a villain, Whishaw a local Station Chief who's been in the game too long (I'm possibly influenced by Black Doves here) and so on and so forth. For my money, the Bond actors are the only one's off limits, but other than that go crazy. Colin Salmon would be lovely as a tertiary character or as M. Toby Stephens and Rosamunde Pike could get some real roles. It would be great to see Michelle Yeoh again. Etc etc etc.

    A cgi bernard lee now voiced by Brian Blessed would be awesome. Michelle Yeoh as Moneypenny and Danny Dyer as Q.
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