Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    So how do we know when development ends and pre-production officially begins?
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    So how do we know when development ends and pre-production officially begins?

    They are technically not in development.

    Development: this is the period when writers are hired to develop a script and a director is brought on board and the lead actor (s) is/are attached. When the script and attachments get greenlit by the studio, that’s when a project moves into preproduction.

    Preproduction:
    Finalizing the script into a shooting draft. Fleshing out the other casting. Hiring heads of departments that will hire the crews. Storyboarding. Location scouting. Sets. Costumes.

    When all this prep is complete, roll cameras.

    Lots more than this, but the above gives a guideline.

    So until we hear of a director and a writer(s) coming on board, then B26 isn’t even in proper Development yet.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I wonder if we'll hear about rumoured screentests and who was tested
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Until a writer and director are involved I’m ignoring any rumors of Bond casting.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    The next Spider-Man is shooting in London this summer and the Harry Potter TV show has just announced most of it's supporting cast and has had a writer's room in London for quite a while. They're probably currently in the process of finding or finalising the leading kids there, plus all the other pre-production stuff as they are also supposed to start shooting later this year. So while I'm sure they are putting work into Bond, Pascal and Heyman have a lot of stuff to do in the UK...
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Based on all this I assume 2027 is quite an optimistic timeline for release.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    2030 seems likely.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    I think the latest it can be, would be a 2028 release. But let's hope for a 2027 release. I also think the scale of Bond 26 would determine its release date.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    The next Spider-Man is shooting in London this summer and the Harry Potter TV show has just announced most of it's supporting cast and has had a writer's room in London for quite a while. They're probably currently in the process of finding or finalising the leading kids there, plus all the other pre-production stuff as they are also supposed to start shooting later this year. So while I'm sure they are putting work into Bond, Pascal and Heyman have a lot of stuff to do in the UK...

    Plus they have another film they've made together which hasn't released yet.
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    peter wrote: »
    It seems officially the project hasn’t moved into preproduction yet— there is, as far as the industry is concerned (and not from Insneider-types), that no writers have been attached, nor a director.

    If this holds (and IMDbpro has B26 as “announcement”, and not even “in development”), then these are very early days indeed.

    yeah maybe like 2028-2029
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Modern day Bond movie posters should use Robert E. McGinnis as a influence. Not this Bond solo or one other person crap. A mix of characters helps make a good Bond poster standout.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Modern day Bond movie posters should use Robert E. McGinnis as a influence. Not this Bond solo or one other person crap. A mix of characters helps make a good Bond poster standout.

    To be fair I’d say the opposite: to make a poster really stand out in a crowded environment, a simple, striking image is often best. A big image of Bond alone, looking like Bond does that job. People know what a Bond film is and what it offers: the job of the poster now is kind of just to tell them there’s a new Bond film.
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    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Modern day Bond movie posters should use Robert E. McGinnis as a influence. Not this Bond solo or one other person crap. A mix of characters helps make a good Bond poster standout.

    To be fair I’d say the opposite: to make a poster really stand out in a crowded environment, a simple, striking image is often best. A big image of Bond alone, looking like Bond does that job. People know what a Bond film is and what it offers: the job of the poster now is kind of just to tell them there’s a new Bond film.

    You're not going to get a new audience this way.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
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    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Modern day Bond movie posters should use Robert E. McGinnis as a influence. Not this Bond solo or one other person crap. A mix of characters helps make a good Bond poster standout.

    To be fair I’d say the opposite: to make a poster really stand out in a crowded environment, a simple, striking image is often best. A big image of Bond alone, looking like Bond does that job. People know what a Bond film is and what it offers: the job of the poster now is kind of just to tell them there’s a new Bond film.

    You're not going to get a new audience this way.

    A simple, minimalist poster is best for grabbing the attention of people scrolling through their social media feed, which is how a lot of people learn about new movies these days. And ultimately, there's no point in doing a big, detailed poster if it's just going to get compressed on a tiny phone screen.
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    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Modern day Bond movie posters should use Robert E. McGinnis as a influence. Not this Bond solo or one other person crap. A mix of characters helps make a good Bond poster standout.

    To be fair I’d say the opposite: to make a poster really stand out in a crowded environment, a simple, striking image is often best. A big image of Bond alone, looking like Bond does that job. People know what a Bond film is and what it offers: the job of the poster now is kind of just to tell them there’s a new Bond film.

    You're not going to get a new audience this way.

    A simple, minimalist poster is best for grabbing the attention of people scrolling through their social media feed, which is how a lot of people learn about new movies these days. And ultimately, there's no point in doing a big, detailed poster if it's just going to get compressed on a tiny phone screen.

    I don't know, Marvel usually shows off its entire cast on its posters. They're ugly as hell, but they do it.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Modern day Bond movie posters should use Robert E. McGinnis as a influence. Not this Bond solo or one other person crap. A mix of characters helps make a good Bond poster standout.

    To be fair I’d say the opposite: to make a poster really stand out in a crowded environment, a simple, striking image is often best. A big image of Bond alone, looking like Bond does that job. People know what a Bond film is and what it offers: the job of the poster now is kind of just to tell them there’s a new Bond film.

    You're not going to get a new audience this way.

    A simple, minimalist poster is best for grabbing the attention of people scrolling through their social media feed, which is how a lot of people learn about new movies these days. And ultimately, there's no point in doing a big, detailed poster if it's just going to get compressed on a tiny phone screen.

    I don't know, Marvel usually shows off its entire cast on its posters. They're ugly as hell, but they do it.

    Which begs the question whether the next Bond film is going to be (sold as) an ensemble film or focus on the new lead guy. Because the main draw - or at least the main strategy - for these Marvel things is "look at all your favourites together! There's someone for everyone, so bring the whole family". Bond is obviously a different proposition.

    I never know which posters are or were the most important ones for past films, but it seems like the Craig ones go from Craig with some stills from the film to Craig and Kurylenko to the last three basically all being Craig in a dinner jacket with a gun.

    At the threat of pushing this too close to the "Team Bond" discussion, I do wonder if they will try to highlight more Bondian tropes, maybe even without the actor on the main cover ("Never mind who the actor is. You want guns and cars and girls and martinis, so here's that!"), or if they're going to cast a murderer's row of supporting actors and almost hide their rather inexperienced and maybe less known lead or if they're just going full bore "Bond is Back! This is him now! He's awesome!", kind of like that Goldeneye "You were expecting someone else?" swagger.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    I’d love it if they got a real artist to paint a Bond poster, rather than getting an intern to photoshop a montage; most of the Craig films just used an image of him (usually a photo), and it worked okay, but it’s getting pretty old imo. Time to mix it up a bit and give the new Bond posters a different feel. I love the Live and Let Die poster, which is carefully constructed with its Tarot card images and creative composition, so I wouldn’t mind a return to that.
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    Alternatively, if they wanted to keep it fairly simple, a single image of the new Bond from fashion illustrator David Downton might look very stylish.

  • edited 9:08am Posts: 5,070
    Oh, I’d say the CR poster with a shadowy Bond at the poker table with his gun is one of the best Bond posters of all time. Very simple and quite striking. Was there not a teaser poster for QOS just with Bond’s shadow on the ground too? I liked that one. I even like the main posters for those films (Bond with his tie undone outside the casino for CR, and Bond with the machine gun in the desert in QOS).

    As said, there are issues with big, detailed movie posters, and I don’t think we’ll see a return to the McGinnis style. Illustrated posters in general give off a ‘vintage’ sense, and I think Bond needs to feel classy, but ultimately modern. Not to say all of the recent Bond posters have been great (they can feel a bit too minimalist from SF onwards). But it’d be great if we got a sense of Bond in the environment of the film.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 10:44am Posts: 17,836
    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Modern day Bond movie posters should use Robert E. McGinnis as a influence. Not this Bond solo or one other person crap. A mix of characters helps make a good Bond poster standout.

    To be fair I’d say the opposite: to make a poster really stand out in a crowded environment, a simple, striking image is often best. A big image of Bond alone, looking like Bond does that job. People know what a Bond film is and what it offers: the job of the poster now is kind of just to tell them there’s a new Bond film.

    You're not going to get a new audience this way.

    I guess there’s an argument for that, yeah. I suppose in truth posters are a lot less important than they used to be, as trailers and shorts trailers are so easily disseminated now; sometimes even on actual poster locations - the Tube has a lot of digital posters now and I’m sure other cities have the same.
    So perhaps their role has even changed slightly: do they act more to back up the social media trailers? I don’t really know.
    007HallY wrote: »
    Oh, I’d say the CR poster with a shadowy Bond at the poker table with his gun is one of the best Bond posters of all time. Very simple and quite striking.

    Yes I agree, that’s a wonderful image. I’ve thought for a long time that they should basically get a fashion photographer in to get an image like that again, something really sumptuous and luxurious. Something like the Girl With the Dragon Tattoo poster: that was kind of like the best Craig Bond poster which never was.

    Folks often bemoan that they should go back to the illustrated style, but don’t forget that perhaps the most iconic Bond film of them all: Goldfinger, used a photographic image as its main poster. It was simple, striking and achingly cool.
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    What about a build up of teaser posters before the main one. Less is more. Have just the spy's eyes or have a shadowy face, accompanied by a caption. "When the world calls, one man answers..."
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    peter wrote: »
    It seems officially the project hasn’t moved into preproduction yet— there is, as far as the industry is concerned (and not from Insneider-types), that no writers have been attached, nor a director.

    If this holds (and IMDbpro has B26 as “announcement”, and not even “in development”), then these are very early days indeed.

    yeah maybe like 2028-2029

    If we are still waiting for Bond 26 in 2029 man that would be rough. I'm hoping no later than summer 2028.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Oh, I’d say the CR poster with a shadowy Bond at the poker table with his gun is one of the best Bond posters of all time. Very simple and quite striking. Was there not a teaser poster for QOS just with Bond’s shadow on the ground too? I liked that one. I even like the main posters for those films (Bond with his tie undone outside the casino for CR, and Bond with the machine gun in the desert in QOS).

    As said, there are issues with big, detailed movie posters, and I don’t think we’ll see a return to the McGinnis style. Illustrated posters in general give off a ‘vintage’ sense, and I think Bond needs to feel classy, but ultimately modern. Not to say all of the recent Bond posters have been great (they can feel a bit too minimalist from SF onwards). But it’d be great if we got a sense of Bond in the environment of the film.
    I like the concept, but something about the execution always feels off to me. I can’t shake the feeling that the head was pasted onto the body via computer. I do like the image of Craig with the undone bow tie with the casino background, that is very cool, my favourite of the Craig posters by far.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    peter wrote: »
    It seems officially the project hasn’t moved into preproduction yet— there is, as far as the industry is concerned (and not from Insneider-types), that no writers have been attached, nor a director.

    If this holds (and IMDbpro has B26 as “announcement”, and not even “in development”), then these are very early days indeed.

    yeah maybe like 2028-2029

    If we are still waiting for Bond 26 in 2029 man that would be rough. I'm hoping no later than summer 2028.

    Lol. But few days back, I thought you were cool with waiting for Bond 26....no matter the release date. Or am I wrong? Pls, correct me if I'm wrong.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Modern day Bond movie posters should use Robert E. McGinnis as a influence. Not this Bond solo or one other person crap. A mix of characters helps make a good Bond poster standout.

    To be fair I’d say the opposite: to make a poster really stand out in a crowded environment, a simple, striking image is often best. A big image of Bond alone, looking like Bond does that job. People know what a Bond film is and what it offers: the job of the poster now is kind of just to tell them there’s a new Bond film.

    Agreed, I love the old retro posters, but they're just that, retro.
  • edited 1:23pm Posts: 5,070
    007HallY wrote: »
    Oh, I’d say the CR poster with a shadowy Bond at the poker table with his gun is one of the best Bond posters of all time. Very simple and quite striking. Was there not a teaser poster for QOS just with Bond’s shadow on the ground too? I liked that one. I even like the main posters for those films (Bond with his tie undone outside the casino for CR, and Bond with the machine gun in the desert in QOS).

    As said, there are issues with big, detailed movie posters, and I don’t think we’ll see a return to the McGinnis style. Illustrated posters in general give off a ‘vintage’ sense, and I think Bond needs to feel classy, but ultimately modern. Not to say all of the recent Bond posters have been great (they can feel a bit too minimalist from SF onwards). But it’d be great if we got a sense of Bond in the environment of the film.
    I like the concept, but something about the execution always feels off to me. I can’t shake the feeling that the head was pasted onto the body via computer. I do like the image of Craig with the undone bow tie with the casino background, that is very cool, my favourite of the Craig posters by far.

    It’s probably just because the saturation’s been bumped up a bit in the photo editing. Don’t quite get the sense his head’s been imposed though! Perhaps Craig himself has been imposed onto a particular background, but I find it all blends in quite naturally. I think it looks fantastic personally.

    The undone tie is great. It’s a conscious choice that just gives a sense of Craig’s Bond in that film in such a simple way (ie. ‘This isn’t your normal, buttoned up 007’). It’s those kinds of creative choices that make a good poster, or any good promo photo.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    My favorite CR poster is the one where Craig's Bond looks sideways, holds a gun in the dark. He's almost a silhouette, but his eye is left open, with a serious stare.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    That first CR poster with Bond at the poker table is still great, as is the main one with Vesper. NTTD is one of the worst, simply because it's Bond being and looking stereotyped. The supporting cast (not necessarily the MI6 cast) deserves some viewing as well. That's what made those original posters so great. Not just DC on his own, looking upset. Color makes Bond great!
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    I think a Brosnan-type poster would be nice for a change, but the Mission Impossible movies stole the idea.
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    Are posters still used ? Where ? At those historical buildings called "Movie theaters" ?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    peter wrote: »
    It seems officially the project hasn’t moved into preproduction yet— there is, as far as the industry is concerned (and not from Insneider-types), that no writers have been attached, nor a director.

    If this holds (and IMDbpro has B26 as “announcement”, and not even “in development”), then these are very early days indeed.

    yeah maybe like 2028-2029

    If we are still waiting for Bond 26 in 2029 man that would be rough. I'm hoping no later than summer 2028.

    Lol. But few days back, I thought you were cool with waiting for Bond 26....no matter the release date. Or am I wrong? Pls, correct me if I'm wrong.

    The Euros in 2028 is held in the UK and begins on June 9th. I think it makes the most sense to time a new Bond film with a big national celebration like this, comparative to the London Olympics preceding the release of Skyfall in 2012. After such a long wait and build up of anticipation for the new era, I just feel like the two events would complement eachother well and go even further into creating an atmosphere of excitement than even Amazon's marketing might could achieve. I think if Bond 26 is ready for 2027 then great, but if they release beyond that (which based on @peter @007HallY and @mtm analysis it looks like the case) then they should honestly just wait until the summer, as this kind of opportunity doesn't come along too often.
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