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I don't think there are really any flaws in FRWL or GF. I think Dr No is also near perfect, although it is a bit slow by today's standards (not really a flaw though). The only other film I would place close to this category would be TSWLM. I rate TLD highly but agree that the villains let it down a bit.
GF I've already covered. Many have also mentioned the poor editing towards the end when Bond is trying to diffuse the bomb - something I also remember noticing.
Me neither actually, except some small elements that are parts of its charm.
Movie opinions are objective beasts, and I pay no attention to 99% of them. Especially when they admit to not liking a particular genre.
Barry Norman once admitted he 'didn't really like horror films'.
What?
Then you sir are no critic.
A critic should appreciate a great horror movie as much as a great musical as much as a great drama etc.
So one man thinks Skyfall is overrated. Well...maybe it is. But it's lively and funny and exciting and well acted and it's got Daniel Craig and fine locations and beautiful women. Basically it's a Bond film that doesn't rip us off as TMWTGG did, or insult our intelligence as AVTAK did. And unlike many Bond films it was a 're-watchability' factor.
But then that's one man's opinion, and I'm not even a critic.
A "true thriller" doesn't have to start slow, just saying.
I'd probably agree that it's better than TMWTGG.
I think the point of the article though is to simply point out (as you perhaps acknowledge) that it really isn't quite as good as the critics made out. That's it really isn't it? To me, TLD is still a far more entertaining and satisfying entry in the series. Not the best Bond ever, but very good and widely underrated. So in that light, SF is definitely overrated, yes.
Probably??
In my find it's simply a fact that SF is better. Go back and watch MWTGG again.Some of the second half of that film is horrid, unfunny slapstick.
Pffft. Spare me your condescension. Or, perhaps I should say, I feel sorry for those too obtuse to see through all the unthinking hype that attends GF.
Yes. Obviously. And equally obvious--and as NicNac points out--the notion that the critics overrate SF is one man's opinion. And hardly an original one at that. The world of ancient historians is full of egocentric blowhards who devote their entire career to bleating on about how Alexander wasn't really great.
What a hilarious climax. Had me roaring with laughter all the way through. [-( [-( [-(
To quote a phrase my grandad often uses, anyone who genuinely thinks this film is better needs their head examined.
Apologies but something just comes over me whenever this film is mentioned.
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What makes TLD underrated? That you and some others like it better, even though it was a far cry from SF's success? In the end - WHO decides, what's over or underrated?
I suppose, each one of us on his/her own. But certainly BO is an important factor, because to make it there, you need to bring butts in the seats and that only happens, when word of mouth is good. See, how many films with huge promotion tank. In the end, a film has to succeedon its own merits. No promo in the world can change that.
So overrated is, when they tell you its good and then you go see it and its not. If that is the consens of many, then its overrated. Otherwise NOT. Because films are made for the audiences, not for the critics.
I was understating the case a little. ;) Yes, I agree - it's definitely better. Rog's two first entries are a bit of lowpoint for me. Not a fan of LALD either, although it has entertaining elements. A poor film with a good soundtrack. I think it's the music and theme song that have given it its slightly inflated status.
Yep,he is a bit of a soppy sod throughout that film,not one of my favourites at all.
Harsh - although he is a bit limp wristed at times. I think these are more than off-set by his moments of steely resolve. The early assassination sequence in Prague is excellent - one of the best in the entire series.
"Kara, we're inside a Russian airbase in the middle of Afghanistan"
"At least we're together"
Umm...ok??
The bit when Dalton smiles at her on the horse carriage I must admit feels a little awkward.
Undeniably one of the most convincing pairings in the entire series. They seem to genuinely hit it off. Kara is sort of in the same vein as Tatiana in FRWL IMO - vulnerable and definitely not 'Bond's equal', but not a total drip or just blatant eye candy either. We need more Bond girls like that.
Bloody historians! All they do is argue, argue, argue... Won't catch me doing that.
"Its 'beautiful,in Afghan".......
Pass me the sick-bucket...in English.....
Haha. Dalton was in theatre mode a bit there.
Still Barry. I've never heard you complain about the equally sappy "I have no armour left" dialogue from CR.
I get where you're coming from, although all I can say is that you must have a heart of stone not to be touched by true romance Maryam and Tim brought to the screen. Some of the dialogue in CR definitely rivals TLD though for vomit worthyness - as @BAIN points out. I think the thing is that at the end of the day, the actors in both movies make it so convincing that you're won over any way. Makes a nice change from the usual unconvincing romance in most Bond movies. I think only Laz and Diana came close in OHMSS and they despised each other... so perhaps they deserve the most credit.