SPECTRE Leaks Discussion (allowed on ONLY this thread) MAJOR PLOTLINE SPOILERS!

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  • Posts: 260
    timmer wrote: »
    doghouse wrote: »
    Pleeeease no more spoiler tags.

    How about just for another week, until like Monday the 22nd, then we can dispense with them entirely. Some members need time to ween themselves off the thread. :)

    Good summary @panchito I'll comment later. As you are as informed as anyone, can you help with some of my questions?

    I just can't read anything in a spoiler tag.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    I'm personally loving:
    1. the return of Bollinger
    2. the return of sassy Bond
    3. the fact that Hinx may not be dead after the train fall, like Jaws in TSWLM.....meaning he could be back in B25. He seems to be coming back over and over again in this film
    4. the return of a cable car scene - shades of FYEO with Bond evading the thugs...only this time it's Q

    The script seems to indicate the same level of humour as in SF, but maybe dialed up a little more, and with a few more 007'isms thrown in.

    This could be the most fun we've had since Brosnan's era. Gloomy Craig may be gone for good.

    I too am interested in the answers to your questions @timmer.
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    the question I have is assuming Craig is really coming back for at least bond 25 (though honestly he can be 007 till bond 28 and I would be fine) what do they do???

    Like i said the leaks have not only made me excited for Spectre but more then a little curious for bond 25.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited December 2014 Posts: 4,043
    As someone who's not read the screenplay (wouldn't know where to find it anyway) but has seen the spoilers, a little concerned at the ones from the old one but the more recent comments makes me relax more.

    It appears we are going to get that entry where finally gets to be full on Bond from what others have said, not sure about
    the DB5 being back though, how does this make sense?
    Also is it confirmed in the screenplay
    that the gun barrel is back where it belongs or is this just wishful thinking and does it say about the title sequence being a montage of Craig's films in there as well?

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    Shardlake wrote: »
    As someone who's not read the screenplay (wouldn't know where to find it anyway) but has seen the spoilers, a little concerned at the ones from the old one but the more recent comments makes me relax more.

    It appears we are going to get that entry where finally gets to be full on Bond from what others have said, not sure about
    the DB5 being back though, how does this make sense?
    Also is it confirmed in the screenplay
    that the gun barrel is back where it belongs or is this just wishful thinking and does it say about the title sequence being a montage of Craig's films in there as well?

    according to the shooting outline
    DB5 is only back at the VERY end, and is mentioned early on; and gunbarrel/title sequence info is there too. Not a montage but uses bits from the previous films
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    I can't see any excuse as to why the GB wouldn't be at the begining of the film
  • Risico007 wrote: »
    I can't see any excuse as to why the GB wouldn't be at the begining of the film

    Goodbye, old friend..... :-)

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    Risico007 wrote: »
    I can't see any excuse as to why the GB wouldn't be at the begining of the film

    Goodbye, old friend..... :-)


    huh?
  • DrShatterhandDrShatterhand Garden of Death, near Belfast
    Posts: 805
    Risico007 wrote: »
    I can't see any excuse as to why the GB wouldn't be at the begining of the film

    If the shooting schedule is correct you've nothing to worry about :D
    The first line of the script says GUNBARREL - BOND - BLOOD. Iris opens on eye socket of SKULL (start of PTS in Mexico, day of the dead yadda yadda /spoiler]

    And I for one will be grinning like a crazy fool when I watch it in the cinema
  • timmer wrote: »
    I think you are right. We are all clearly kicking around the new info/outline that was leaked last night.

    This info was actually available for about one week. I mention this just to emphasize we've probably had all the available info about SPECTRE from these leaks from the very beginning, and that we'll probably have no more after that. So from now on, every new change they'll make on the script will be a surprise for everyone until the movie it's released.

    And, well, for instance, scene 21A (as seen in the clapperboard photo) simply does not exist in any of the available leaked data.
    timmer wrote: »
    What is with Mendes and the DB5? The man is obsessed. :) Its like a running joke.

    It's not as if he had strong scripts to deal with :) When you have no story, you use iconography...

  • edited December 2014 Posts: 3,164
    @Suivez_ce_parachute yeah available for about one week - through downloading the entire email dump - timmer is referring to it getting out there easy to find without downloading the emails. Same goes for the script drafts, they have leaked but you'd have to download the entire email dump to find them.

    and without the A, 21 does seem to match...?
  • Mi6LisbonBranchMi6LisbonBranch Lisbon, Portugal
    Posts: 243
    well .. now that i know what you know =P~ wow .. now i understand why this movie is going to be so expensive. This is truly an epic and a james bond movies fan delight!! Some brief comments:
    - with some many action and still have time to build strong character development i would say this movie will be as long as Casino Royale. Do You agree?;
    - also isnt there to many scenes with helicopters and airplanes?
    - i do think that the Morocco scenes must be very well directed and constructed in order for the Oberhauser motivations to seem consistent.
    - also it is still not clear to me how the Sciarra character works in the plot, and why is Bond after him in the first place?
    - this film has so many homages to the past films that may be everything that DAD wanted to be and missed clearly. There are scenes that remind DrNo or LALD, others FYEO, others OCT and so on.
    With the trully exceptional creative team behind the movie this is going to be pure BOND so .. Mr. Newman i AM EXPECTING the 007 theme and classic Bond melodies all over the movie, ok?
  • antovolk wrote: »
    and without the A, 21 does seem to match...?
    Yes but 21 is not 21A, it means a change no matter what. Plus, the photo actually matches more scene 30 than scene 21. You can imagine changes that are not so minor then, in order to cut some running time for instance.


  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2014 Posts: 23,883
    well .. now that i know what you know =P~ wow .. now i understand why this movie is going to be so expensive. This is truly an epic and a james bond movies fan delight!! Some brief comments:
    - with some many action and still have time to build strong character development i would say this movie will be as long as Casino Royale. Do You agree?; Yes. I think it will be 2.5 hrs or so
    - also isnt there to many scenes with helicopters and airplanes? Yes, I think so. Too many chases generally it seems, with the car one and then the plane one and a helicopter one added in as well. It's critical that they appear integrated into the story and not 'tagged on' for entertainment effect
    - i do think that the Morocco scenes must be very well directed and constructed in order for the Oberhauser motivations to seem consistent. Agreed as well. I'm sure Mendes is up to this part.....or anything dramatic for that matter. More concerned about the action bits as they weren't that great in SF imo.
    - also it is still not clear to me how the Sciarra character works in the plot, and why is Bond after him in the first place? Yes, that part is still up in the air....and the significance of the ring?
    - this film has so many homages to the past films that may be everything that DAD wanted to be and missed clearly. There are scenes that remind DrNo or LALD, others FYEO, others OCT and so on. Yes, true. They seem to be doing that more and more each time imo. QoS was laden with them, as was SF. Only CR seemed void of it in the recent past.With the trully exceptional creative team behind the movie this is going to be pure BOND so .. Mr. Newman i AM EXPECTING the 007 theme and classic Bond melodies all over the movie, ok? Not sure about this....I'm sure it will be more prevalent than in SF, but I'd actually prefer him to integrate the Bond theme convincingly into his own score rather than just blare it out everytime Bond does something cool - that would be more creative in my mind, and more reminiscent of how Barry did it (i.e. integrate it). I'm more concerned about him actually using the title track in his score this time. He should do that properly. I'm quite sure EON will dictate where the Bond theme is to be inserted (they seem to be limiting its overuse since CR). What's the betting it makes an appearance when the Astons (both of them) show up?

    My 2 cent comments are within the spoiler tag.
  • edited December 2014 Posts: 591
    Two things I've noticed (other people have too obviously) which seem very reminiscent of LALD are the scene with Moneypenny and Bond in his flat and the train scene we learnt about which involves Bond, Hinx and Madeleine which obviously comes from Craig and Mendes' love of that particular film.
  • DrShatterhandDrShatterhand Garden of Death, near Belfast
    Posts: 805
    antovolk wrote: »
    ...and without the A, 21 does seem to match...?

    Yeah I'd say that clapperboard photo is pretty spot on to scene 21 (Bond's apartment floorboards, bulldog from M)

  • Two things I've noticed (other people have too obviously) which seem very reminiscent of LALD are the scene with Moneypenny and Bond in his flat and the train scene we learnt about which involves Bond, Hinx and Madeleine which obviously comes from Craig and Mendes' love of that particular film.
    And what about a plane with broken wings as a direct tribute to LALD ? :) It'll be interesting to see how long the non-spoiler crowd here will notice that the broken wings of the plane in the videos and the photos already available, really mean the plane has indeed broken wings in the movie
  • Mi6LisbonBranchMi6LisbonBranch Lisbon, Portugal
    Posts: 243
    bondjames wrote: »
    well .. now that i know what you know =P~ wow .. now i understand why this movie is going to be so expensive. This is truly an epic and a james bond movies fan delight!! Some brief comments:
    - with some many action and still have time to build strong character development i would say this movie will be as long as Casino Royale. Do You agree?; Yes. I think it will be 2.5 hrs or so
    - also isnt there to many scenes with helicopters and airplanes? Yes, I think so. Too many chases generally it seems, with the car one and then the plane one and a helicopter one added in as well. It's critical that they appear integrated into the story and not 'tagged on' for entertainment effect
    - i do think that the Morocco scenes must be very well directed and constructed in order for the Oberhauser motivations to seem consistent. Agreed as well. I'm sure Mendes is up to this part.....or anything dramatic for that matter. More concerned about the action bits as they weren't that great in SF imo.
    - also it is still not clear to me how the Sciarra character works in the plot, and why is Bond after him in the first place? Yes, that part is still up in the air....and the significance of the ring?
    - this film has so many homages to the past films that may be everything that DAD wanted to be and missed clearly. There are scenes that remind DrNo or LALD, others FYEO, others OCT and so on. Yes, true. They seem to be doing that more and more each time imo. QoS was laden with them, as was SF. Only CR seemed void of it in the recent past.With the trully exceptional creative team behind the movie this is going to be pure BOND so .. Mr. Newman i AM EXPECTING the 007 theme and classic Bond melodies all over the movie, ok? Not sure about this....I'm sure it will be more prevalent than in SF, but I'd actually prefer him to integrate the Bond theme convincingly into his own score rather than just blare it out everytime Bond does something cool - that would be more creative in my mind, and more reminiscent of how Barry did it (i.e. integrate it). I'm more concerned about him actually using the title track in his score this time. He should do that properly. I'm quite sure EON will dictate where the Bond theme is to be inserted (they seem to be limiting its overuse since CR). What's the betting it makes an appearance when the Astons (both of them) show up?

    My 2 cent comments are within the spoiler tag.

    Thanks @bondjames for your comments. I understand and agree with your remarks concerning the music. So basically we agree on almost everything.
  • edited December 2014 Posts: 4,622
    nice catch @Suive re the broken wings nod to Mrs. bell airport scene in LALD.

    And yes if the non-spoiler crowd look at enough pictures, they should end up spoiling much of the plane chase scene all on their own. ;)

    I think one of the most obvious nods to LALD is MP visiting Bond's flat, while Bond is entertaining female guest.
    Again its night time, again we have girl running about the flat, a la Miss Caruso (Madeline Smith) again we have Bond in robe.
    For all we know, Bond may also have some fancy kitchen appliance that he is showing off too, although that was originally more for M's benefit, and he's not there this time.
    This is great stuff. I like these smartly crafted homages.

    Again there does seem to be a lot of scenarios being re-visited. Not really direct homages, although some are, but simply re-working tried and true, Bond movie scenarios that can always work, such as dinner with villain, a la DN and even TMWTGG to some extent, although the SP scenario, seems like a full-on nod to DN.

    Bond on assignment in pts, with female agent-partner and implied love-interest helping him is back.

    We have Mexican agent Estrella working with Bond, and later asking if he's coming back to the room. Liason is implied.
    There was implied liason between Bond and the French agent in TB pts too.
    Same with Bond and Bianca (Tina Hudson) in OP pts. The OP example is probably the most direct comparison.

    Q in the cable-car is indeed inspired by FYEO.

    @livingroyale I think your explanation re Mr. White makes sense. ie because Mi6 knows exactly who he is, and because everything went to hell in Bolivia, he may have been lumped in with Greene as expendable.
    Spectre does not tolerate failure. :)

    Bond's infiltration of the Spectre meeting, is I think a nod to QoS.
    The QoS scene was very well received, so why not revisit in a fresh context.
    Also, I am not clear what is going on at this meeting, but the fact that Hinx takes out one of the members (at least I think its a member, who else would be there) echoes the iconic, Spectre meeting we saw in TB, where Blofeld zaps the bad apple.

    Hinx as Jaws throwback is apparent too. But this time, I am sure they will keep him bad.
    No devolving into ally, a la MR.
    And yes, @Bondjames I hadn't considered maybe he could survive train battle. We'd have to have a better sense of what actually befalls him, but I think that's a real possibility.
    Why not milk another film out of him. Jaws 2.0
    \
    And disfigured Blofeld at end. That is great! Scar origins potential. Maybe he develops his cat fetish in a future movie.

    It does seem, that those that rescued the original draft, have cooked up a very poignant Bond script. It does help to have Purvis and Wade around, as they are familiar with the film history. Wouldn't say the same for Logan.

    The making of SP will make a great book, in a couple of years time, I think.

  • edited December 2014 Posts: 591
    timmer wrote: »
    nice catch @Suive re the broken wings nod to Mrs. bell airport scene in LALD.

    And yes if the non-spoiler crowd look at enough pictures, they should end up spoiling much of the plane chase scene all on their own. ;)

    I think one of the most obvious nods to LALD is MP visiting Bond's flat, while Bond is entertaining female guest.
    Again its night time, again we have girl running about the flat, a la Miss Caruso (Madeline Smith) again we have Bond in robe.
    For all we know, Bond may also have some fancy kitchen appliance that he is showing off too, although that was originally more for M's benefit, and he's not there this time.
    This is great stuff. I like these smartly crafted homages.

    Again there does seem to be a lot of scenarios being re-visited. Not really direct homages, although some are, but simply re-working tried and true, Bond movie scenarios that can always work, such as dinner with villain, a la DN and even TMWTGG to some extent, although the SP scenario, seems like a full-on nod to DN.

    Bond on assignment in pts, with female agent-partner and implied love-interest helping him is back.

    We have Mexican agent Estrella working with Bond, and later asking if he's coming back to the room. Liason is implied.
    There was implied liason between Bond and the French agent in TB pts too.
    Same with Bond and Bianca (Tina Hudson) in OP pts. The OP example is probably the most direct comparison.

    Q in the cable-car is indeed inspired by FYEO.

    @livingroyale I think your explanation re Mr. White makes sense. ie because Mi6 knows exactly who he is, and because everything went to hell in Bolivia, he may have been lumped in with Greene as expendable.
    Spectre does not tolerate failure. :)

    Bond's infiltration of the Spectre meeting, is I think a nod to QoS.
    The QoS scene was very well received, so why not revisit in a fresh context.
    Also, I am not clear what is going on at this meeting, but the fact that Hinx takes out one of the members (at least I think its a member, who else would be there) echoes the iconic, Spectre meeting we saw in TB, where Blofeld zaps the bad apple.

    Hinx as Jaws throwback is apparent too. But this time, I am sure they will keep him bad.
    No devolving into ally, a la MR.
    And yes, @Bondjames I hadn't considered maybe he could survive train battle. We'd have to have a better sense of what actually befalls him, but I think that's a real possibility.
    Why not milk another film out of him. Jaws 2.0
    \
    And disfigured Blofeld at end. That is great! Scar origins potential. Maybe he develops his cat fetish in a future movie.

    It does seem, that those that rescued the original draft, have cooked up a very poignant Bond script. It does help to have Purvis and Wade around, as they are familiar with the film history. Wouldn't say the same for Logan.

    The making of SP will make a great book, in a couple of years time, I think.

    I can imagine the scenes in Morocco with Bond, Hinx and Madeleine will also be very reminiscent of The Spy Who Loved Me and even QoS, especially if it includes a scene are where Bond and Madeleine walking through the desert after a large action scene.
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    @madeleineSwann , but if she's wearing a little black party dress, that would be too much. :)

    But sure the potential QoS scenario is definitely there, which itself was borrowed somewhat from Bond and Anya in TSWLM.
  • Risico007 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    I can't see any excuse as to why the GB wouldn't be at the begining of the film

    Goodbye, old friend..... :-)


    huh?

    Disregard. Later posts make comment obsolete.

  • Does anyome have a link to the screenplay i havent read it myself
  • Who do people think would've been cast as Irma?
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited December 2014 Posts: 4,043
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  • leas_moleleas_mole love is the promise of suffering
    edited December 2014 Posts: 574
    Who do people think would've been cast as Irma?
    Aymeline Valade - Irma is described as tall and attractive. Aymeline is a French model turned actress and a co-star of Léa in Saint Laurent. Still from the film:
    img-aymelinevalademovie_212818493219.jpg
    It's a shame Irma has disappeared from the later drafts.
  • leas_moleleas_mole love is the promise of suffering
    edited December 2014 Posts: 574
    I just wanted to say thanks to those who have shared information on this thread. It is much appreciated as I have no access to the script and would have no idea where to start. I am in the camp where knowing the plot line will not affect my enjoyment of the film. It is the actors performances and the cinematography that make a film for me. So I appreciate your views on it and it is great that the feeling is so positive for Spectre.
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    antovolk wrote: »
    ...and without the A, 21 does seem to match...?

    Yeah I'd say that clapperboard photo is pretty spot on to scene 21 (Bond's apartment floorboards, bulldog from M)

    Once the scene numbers are added to a screenplay - normally a bit before or at the start of pre-production - so everyone can follow what's what and where in the story - once scene numbers are added in the script then moves into revisions mode which means if scene numbers remain fixed even if scenes are deleted or added because constantly changing the scene numbers would cause chaos and confusion for all the hundreds of crew and cast working on the production in different departments. So if for example scene 7 is deleted, then that is written in the script DELETED SCENE but the following scene 8 remains sc 8 it does not now become sc 7. Letters A, B, C, etc. are added to extra scenes which slot in between original scenes, for example scene 21A has been added in between the original sc 21 and sc 22 in the shooting draft. Hope that helps.

  • edited December 2014 Posts: 2,015
    timmer wrote: »
    And disfigured Blofeld at end. That is great! Scar origins potential. Maybe he develops his cat fetish in a future movie.
    There is a white persian cat in the leaked script - and given Mendes' (over)use of iconography, I expect to see one in the movie !

    And well, the Gawker author has written that there was no "Blofeld" in the early scripts, and some people claim that the 9 Nov outline is the first mention of ESB, but even in the early script "C" introduces Waltz's character as "Ernst"... So frankly, it was ESB all along, hence why the notes call him that way.

    Also, one hypothesis about the trailer :
    Madeleine's first dialog with Bond enables to create a trailer that will re-enact the Skyfall trailer with the psychiatrist. So I bet we'll see it in the first trailer, what do you think ?
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,582
    belfastboy wrote: »
    Does anyome have a link to the screenplay i havent read it myself
    You won't get any help on here.

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