SPECTRE Leaks Discussion (allowed on ONLY this thread) MAJOR PLOTLINE SPOILERS!

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  • edited December 2014 Posts: 3,274
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  • aaron819aaron819 Switzerland
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    @Zekidk Great timeframe!!! :-)
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    I was trying to use =VH= as an allegory for James Bond. George Lazenby is kind of like the Gary Cherone of the 007 franchise.
    I know that. Thought I would wax anyway. :)
    aaron819 wrote: »
    @Zekidk Great timeframe!!! :-)

    Yes nice job!



  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    if that timeline holds true.. i like the fact that we will be spending some real time in Rome, Austria and Morocco.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    so a quick question to those who have read the script (which ever version it is)... what do you think?... does it seem like we are in for a great / good / average / poor /or lousy Bond film? and if you had to compare it to one of the 3 previous Craig films, which would you closely compare it to?
  • edited December 2014 Posts: 3,274
    @haserot

    Here are some of my thoughts:

    The studio executives expressing worries about the third act, were right: SP is well paced and is a great ride up until the third act (after Bond fights Hinx on the train). After this, it's kind of messy and boring. The whole "I am your brother"-thing is plain awful, IMO. And Blofeld/Stockmann should be a much larger character than portrayed I think. He comes of as an average villain and his motivations are unconvincing. Waltz basically just recycling his psychotic character from 'Inglorious Basterds' is okay I think.

    I really hope they fix the third act. The final showdown in London is been-there, done-that, and kind of unoriginal. And honestly, I'm kind of disapointed that they want to continue down the "this is personal"-road. For the love of God: I do not want to see pictures of Bond as a child and learn about his childhood!

    Visually it should be a step up compared to SF, and there are great scenes in there, especially Rome and Austria. And some great one-liners.The scene with the Fiat should be hilarious. So should the huge action setpiece in Austria. And I like that the gadgets return. But no skiing unfortunately.

    Maybe I missed something, so for those who also read the script: What happened to Lucia?
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    From what I've read/gathered SPECTRE feels completely different to the previous 3 movies and feels like a hybrid of FRWL, TB, TSWLM, GE and CR. What this movie offers is a more identifiably traditional Bond movie but set firmly in Craig's world. I feel really good about this and with the talent involved behind the scenes to bring this film together in principle we're looking at a truly classic Bond movie.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    was just forwarded a draft of the script.... just read through the PTS and opening credit ideas..

    firstly... Gunbarrel at the beginning - THANK GOD.. hope it stays there lol..

    not going to spoil any of the proceeding for those who don't want to know... but hot damn... i really enjoyed the PTS to SF, this may top that - can't wait to see how Gassner dresses up the scenes...

    the notes for the opening credits remind me a lot of OHMSS, that same sort of hour glass vibe.. Kleinman will no doubt work his superb magic on this as well..
  • Have read the script and must say like most on here the first two acts are superb the meeting in Rome has a Stanley Kubrick's "Eyes Wide Shut" vibe that I love! Everything flows very nicely. One problem and it's minor is the cryptic message that Bond gets. It seems forced to move the plot but I can live with it. With the knowledge that they have made some rewrites, I am looking forward to the ending and the reveal of a certain character. From what I have read I don't know how they can pull that reveal off but I will be anticipating it come the third act and will hopefully be satisfied and thoroughly entertained. Overall, it definitely has the most classic Bond vibe of the Craig era. Nods to Dr No in Morocco. Nods to TSWLM with Hinx/Jaws. Very nice. I love Lea's character and am looking forward to on screen chemistry with her and Craig. Definitely should be an instant classic if third act is rewritten as it seems it has.
  • How did you guys read the script? Where did you read the draft. I'm dying to see it!
  • JWPepperJWPepper You sit on it, but you can't take it with you.
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    I adore the hints to the other movies --> Q writing on the mirror: Bond using hot water steam to read what he has written.
    Saying to Mr. White: It's time to get out.
    Lots of references to OHMSS

    I absolutely love it. This is going to be one helluva Bondfilm!!
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    just finished the script.... once i started i couldn't stop lol..

    i wanted to comment based on first initial reactions before letting it really sink in, i'll try to remain as spoiler free as possible...

    I thought it was excellent quite frankly - so sad that i felt skeptical in the first place lol... the first two acts are f***ing brilliant... honest opinion, it screams Traditional Bond... but the third act i do agree with the exec notes - that it needs punched up a bit - not completely rewritten mind you. As is, it's not a bad ending, but i feel like things could be tightened up a bit, to have things make a little more sense, and to make us as an audience care just a bit more.. plus the final confrontation between Bond and Stockmann on the bridge - i think that is where some work could go into as well.....

    in terms of the infamous "throwing away of the gun" and the ending itself... let me first say, it's nice to Daniel get a traditional Bond with Bond girl ending for once... getting back to the gun, seeing as how there is undoubtedly going to be a Bond 25 with Daniel Craig as James Bond, i dont take it as him walking away from job - maybe just worn out, in need of a vacation..

    but i dare say, with a little bit of touchup work in the 3rd act, this could very well top Skyfall - and possibly even Casino Royale..

    ps - no way everything will be wrapped up with Spectre in just this one film, i dont want to believe it.. i couldn't imagine them blowing the load on just one film.. which is why i think there will be more to revealed in Bond 25..
  • belfastboy wrote: »
    How did you guys read the script? Where did you read the draft. I'm dying to see it!

    PM me and I can send you a link hosted on pdf.yt.


    JWPepper wrote: »
    I adore the hints to the other movies --> Q writing on the mirror: Bond using hot water steam to read what he has written.

    What is that a reference to?

  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    shpectre wrote: »
    JWPepper wrote: »
    I adore the hints to the other movies --> Q writing on the mirror: Bond using hot water steam to read what he has written.

    What is that a reference to?

    FYEO
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    To reiterate the draft/shooting script you're all reading is prior to the Act 3 rewrites and renaming Stockmann to Oberhauser.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    antovolk wrote: »
    To reiterate the draft/shooting script you're all reading is prior to the Act 3 rewrites and renaming Stockmann to Oberhauser.

    from what i read, it sounds like his real name is Oberhauser, but he uses Stockmann as a false name - he is even called Ernst at one point lol.
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    It's the script from October revised by Purvis and Wade. And Oberhauser/Stockmann is also referred to as "Ernst."

  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    It's the script from October revised by Purvis and Wade.

    since revised by? or is this the P&W version?

    if that is the case, then it's likely that this is pre Butterworth revision as well?
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    Yes... it's the P&W version dated 17.October, meaning pre Butterworth.

    If parts of the 3rd act are being changed, they still have several months to sort out the logistic. The 3rd act takes place in Morroco (2/3 of it) and London. They are not suppose to begin shooting these scenes until April (April-June)
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    The third act has been majorly rewritten. Also the whole Stockmann alias is dropped, he is introduced as Oberhauser, amongst other changes, in the latest version that's in the leak (dated Dec 1)
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    @antovolk
    So are you saying that there is a newer version floating around out there? What are those "other changes"?
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    @antovolk
    So are you saying that there is a newer version floating around out there? What are those "other changes"?

    Yes but not out there as easy to download PDF like that one was.
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    I know you love the writing on the mirror JWPepper but it seems that has been rewritten as well. Q isn't being taken as captive which I think is a positive. His capture led to a buddy movie with him and Bond trying to escape peril. Now it's Bond using his own instincts and abilities. He is now paired up with Madeleine. Much more appropriate sidekick ;)
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    minor detail... in the scene on the train, i really hope they stick with Bond wearing the white dinner jacket - hopefully with a black tie as well... haven't seen that since Roger in AVTAK... *fingers crossed* i hope it stays, always liked that look on Bond :)
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    HASEROT wrote: »
    minor detail... in the scene on the train, i really hope they stick with Bond wearing the white dinner jacket - hopefully with a black tie as well... haven't seen that since Roger in AVTAK... *fingers crossed* i hope it stays, always liked that look on Bond :)

    Still in there I believe
    JazzyBond wrote: »
    I know you love the writing on the mirror JWPepper but it seems that has been rewritten as well. Q isn't being taken as captive which I think is a positive. His capture led to a buddy movie with him and Bond trying to escape peril. Now it's Bond using his own instincts and abilities. He is now paired up with Madeleine. Much more appropriate sidekick ;)

    Yeah that whole first meeting with Oberhauser has been very much streamlined (for the better)
  • JWPepperJWPepper You sit on it, but you can't take it with you.
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    antovolk wrote: »
    HASEROT wrote: »
    minor detail... in the scene on the train, i really hope they stick with Bond wearing the white dinner jacket - hopefully with a black tie as well... haven't seen that since Roger in AVTAK... *fingers crossed* i hope it stays, always liked that look on Bond :)

    Still in there I believe
    JazzyBond wrote: »
    I know you love the writing on the mirror JWPepper but it seems that has been rewritten as well. Q isn't being taken as captive which I think is a positive. His capture led to a buddy movie with him and Bond trying to escape peril. Now it's Bond using his own instincts and abilities. He is now paired up with Madeleine. Much more appropriate sidekick ;)

    Yeah that whole first meeting with Oberhauser has been very much streamlined (for the better)

    Is the December 3th script a draft or the final shooting script? Or, are they still writing as we speak.

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    I know that Irma was more than likely cut from the script, but it would've been interesting to see her death scene from the October draft (falling from the safety netting) on screen.
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    JWPepper wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    HASEROT wrote: »
    minor detail... in the scene on the train, i really hope they stick with Bond wearing the white dinner jacket - hopefully with a black tie as well... haven't seen that since Roger in AVTAK... *fingers crossed* i hope it stays, always liked that look on Bond :)

    Still in there I believe
    JazzyBond wrote: »
    I know you love the writing on the mirror JWPepper but it seems that has been rewritten as well. Q isn't being taken as captive which I think is a positive. His capture led to a buddy movie with him and Bond trying to escape peril. Now it's Bond using his own instincts and abilities. He is now paired up with Madeleine. Much more appropriate sidekick ;)

    Yeah that whole first meeting with Oberhauser has been very much streamlined (for the better)

    Is the December 3th script a draft or the final shooting script? Or, are they still writing as we speak.

    It's a revision of the shooting script, the second since the original Oct 17 shooting script that is widely spread around now. It's probably still going through minor revisions whole shooting but plot wise I bet that Dec 1 version is the closest we get.

    Shooting scripts can go through multiple revisions while shooting so the final version is essentially the latest revision,
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  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    antovolk wrote: »
    Yeah that whole first meeting with Oberhauser has been very much streamlined (for the better)

    your talking about in Morocco right? not Rome?

    I personally loved the dialog and banter between Bond and Oberhauser during this scene.. i could picture Waltz chewing the scenery beautifully (as well as his introduction in Rome).
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