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@Jones_The_Bond, you've got to the heart of the matter right there.
I suspect I'm not along in feeling we haven't been quite so fully entertained by a Bond movie since OP...
For me TLD still trumps OP on entertainment value. But I see what you mean.
I love TLD but on a recent rewatching I did feel the second half drops away quite a bit.
It also just occurred to me that Dalton could (if he'd wanted) have followed very much in Moores footsteps. I know he's always criticised for his supposed lack of comic timing and inability to deliver a comedic one-liner, but one thing that Dalton's post-Bond career has shown is how at ease he is with camp and comedy. His appearance in Hot Fuzz, was I think, in many ways quite reminiscent of an older Roger Moore.
Just a thought.
And for my money I think the Rog hang-over comedy bits in TLD work quite well.
Roger Moore > Timothy Dalton
Not at all. I actually agree. I am a life long Dalton fan, but I think Sir Rog's 7 movies trump Dalton's 2. I think at his best, Connery was better than Rog, but I don't think we ever got quite as much pure enjoyment as we did with the Roginator.
Sean
Rog
Tim
Laz
Dan
Pierce
Brace yourself :D
Here's my ranking of the bonds an you will laugh.
1. Pierce
2. Sean
3. Roger
4. Dan
5. Tim
6. George
I like most of Moores films better than connerys
Age/time has clearly befuddled your mind! ;)
1) Kicked the assassin off the ledge in FYEO
2) karate-chopped a thug who was holding his tie in… TSWLM? Was re-used in QoS.
3) OP PTS
4) FYEO PTS
5) Shot the guy out of the tree in…was it MR?
There you go! Five positives!
What I can't stand about MR is whenever there is an action scene it just goes too quickly to comedy without building sufficient tension in the scene. That part does grate and they do it too much (gondola, boat race, ambulance ride, snake fight). Almost like the scene was set up just for comedic purposes or a punchline.
When they let the tension build sufficiently (centrifuge, Chang fight, aforementioned globe shootdown in space, cable car fight) then it's great.
The movie is a guilty pleasure for me. The last of the large scale Bond films (I don't count DAD).
Good point. There are three reasons that Sir Roger stayed on. James Brolin, Oliver Tobias and Michael Billington. None of these three actors could have taken on Connery in NSNA. http://www.alternative007.co.uk/12.htm
I think your link is the final nail in the coffin for those who would have preferred Moore replaced. The franchise would have been long gone by now with any of them IMO.
Terrifying article. Even doubleohdad might agree that Rog is better than any of those. I mean have you seen the Brolin screen tests? And that guy was virtually cast! Cubby what were you thinking?
James Brolin.
Gimme a break.
I…I cannot argue or refute that point.
For years I wrestled with who Iiked more. But three years ago I finally made up my mind after seeing the Bond films on the big screen. Although I love both actors Roger Moore wins for me. But then again it's hard to compare an actor who starred in 7 Bond films to one who starred in only 2.
Yep that's the one. Although I was against the whole robot angle of the film I have a feeling it would've been Dalton's TSWLM. Not only as it would've had a "save the world" plot but it also would've followed the Moore outline of an actor's first two films having relatively low-key threats while the third had World War 3 on the brink.
It also might've been a proto-Skyfall as the plot would've featured M under review for his short-comings and themes of the old ways still being the best. Specifically in a scene where Q was told to scrap the DB5 but instead sends it to Bond for "one last ride". I'm still bummed the movie never happened. People tend to dismiss Dalton as too broody but his performance in TLD was a very balanced Bond performance and I believe Dalton could've easily handled a more OTT Bond film.
Yes they did a test per John Glen's book for TLD to show studio. Tim was considered for FYEO.
http://crawleyscastingcalls.com/index.php/component/movies/index.php?option=com_movies&Itemid=67&id=14&lettre=BOND
Dalton was brilliant in most of TLD. Agreed.
I think he was at his best in that film just playing Bond and throwing out the occasional quip here and there. The romance angle with Milovy seemed a little tacked on and forced/schmaltzy to me however. It was the late 80's and they wanted to tone down the gratuitous sex and womanizing.
My point is I would have loved to have seen him in TSWLM straight up mission with a bit of womanizing and a bit of an out there/grandiose plot. We never got that with Tim and it's a shame.
He wanted to take a different approach from Moore to establish himself and do something different, but he was not this one-dimensional 'dark brooding' Bond he's often made out to be.
True but I could see the Bond of TLD being in a more OTT adventure. His performance wasn't as "pure Fleming" as some people have said. I found Dalton's TLD performance to be a very good balance of Fleming's Bond and the cinematic James Bond.
I agree.
For my money though, Laz gave us the most 'vulnerable' performance as Bond.
That is the technical perspective. I am talking about what the film is actually about, which is a character piece.
I think they absolutely nailed the characters in SF. That was the best part about the film, apart from the cinematography. Outstanding character development given the short screen time of everyone involved. That took a lot of talent, and that's why I'm hopeful for SP, because Mendes appears to be very good at this.
According to the press back then, their first choice was Sean Connery in FYEO. But he declined. According to the press back then, like I already mentioned.