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Unique Patterns in the Bond Series?

jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
edited December 2014 in Bond Movies Posts: 10,591
Has anyone noticed any interesting patterns in the Bond films? I've recently noticed a few, and I'm very curious to see if anybody else have noticed any.



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  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,847
    Well I noticed a pattern starting the titles from casino Royale on

    Casino Royale is the name of a location bond visits which is where the climax in my opinion happens
    Quantum of solace a title that is double edged dealing with bond's emotions and an organization he is facing
    Skyfall a location bond visits where the climax happens
    Spectre a title that even without the leaks we know is doubled edged based on the official synopsis that it deals with ghosts of bonds past (the cryptic message) and of course an organization that bond faces

    Could this mean

    Bond 25 is The Garden of death... I mean obviously it could be anything heck Blofield's summer retreat could be named Risico or there could be a location known as the Valley of Shadows that the climax takes place etc

    But I do suspect bond 25's title to be the name of the location of the climax of the film.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited December 2014 Posts: 24,183
    Three films with "gold":

    - Goldfinger: 3rd film of the 1st Bond actor
    - The Man With The Golden Gun: 2nd film of the 3rd Bond actor
    - GoldenEye: 1st film of the 5th Bond actor

    Every odd numbered Bond actor, so far, got a "Gold" film, and each actor was less patient than the previous to get to such a film. ;-)

    Something like this? :)
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited May 2015 Posts: 10,591
    The Bond movies cycle through casinos and hotels in each film.

    Starting from Goldeneye...

    Goldeneye-> Monaco casino

    Tomorrow Never Dies->Hotel Atlantic Kempinski

    The World is Not Enough->Zukovsky's L'or Noir casino

    Die Another Day->Rubyeon Royale hotel

    Casino Royale->Casino Royale

    Quantum of Solace->Grand Andean hotel + Eco hotel

    Skyfall->Macau Floating Dragon casino

    SPECTRE->Gran Hotel de Ciudad
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    Has anyone else noticed any patterns?
  • Vic_MakeyVic_Makey
    Posts: 14
    Hi guys first time poster. Been watching from the shadows for a very long time. Huge Bond fan and have enjoyed reading this post on patterns.

    I have two patterns I have noticed.

    1) In the Craig era films there has always been a villain named after a colour. Mr White, Mr Greene, Mr Silva (Silver) and again Mr White for SPECTRE. I was half expecting SPECTRE to be renamed SPECTRUM and have them linked to all the previous Craig villains due to their colour names.

    2) Ever since the Brosnan films we have had one film that involves a high octane car chase and one that does not.

    1) GoldenEye: Was a planned car chase but was cut.
    2) Tomorrow Never Dies: The car park showdown.
    3) The World Is Not Enough: Very small appearance of BMW at caviar factory.
    4) Die Another Day: Battle on the ice between Vanquish and Jag.
    5) Casino Royale: Only the car flip
    6) Quantum of Solace: Opening chase
    7) Skyfall: Aston Martin DB5 shows up but no real car chase showdown.
    8) SPECTRE: Won't say either way so i don't spoil anything

    :-\"
  • Vic_MakeyVic_Makey
    Posts: 14
    Dammit wasted an opportunity to say this for my intro: "Welcome Mi6 forums. It's been a long time. And finally, here we are".
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    Vic_Makey wrote: »
    Dammit wasted an opportunity to say this for my intro: "Welcome Mi6 forums. It's been a long time. And finally, here we are".
    Welcome to the forums!
  • Vic_MakeyVic_Makey
    Posts: 14

    jake24 wrote: »
    Welcome to the forums!

    Thank you! Great to be here among my fellow Bond brethren.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    edited May 2015 Posts: 2,138
    In the Craig Era films watch how many times he throws things Keys/Cans of oil/ mobile phones. It appears his Bond does not like people handing him things.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    The old formula was a major event/stunt/action sequence every half hour, and a
    Minor event/etc every 15 minutes. So making the Bonds so action/story packed,
    Compared to other films of the time. :)
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,124
    Vic_Makey wrote: »
    Hi guys first time poster. Been watching from the shadows for a very long time. Huge Bond fan and have enjoyed reading this post on patterns.

    I have two patterns I have noticed.

    1) In the Craig era films there has always been a villain named after a colour. Mr White, Mr Greene, Mr Silva (Silver) and again Mr White for SPECTRE. I was half expecting SPECTRE to be renamed SPECTRUM and have them linked to all the previous Craig villains due to their colour names.

    2) Ever since the Brosnan films we have had one film that involves a high octane car chase and one that does not.

    1) GoldenEye: Was a planned car chase but was cut.
    2) Tomorrow Never Dies: The car park showdown.
    3) The World Is Not Enough: Very small appearance of BMW at caviar factory.
    4) Die Another Day: Battle on the ice between Vanquish and Jag.
    5) Casino Royale: Only the car flip
    6) Quantum of Solace: Opening chase
    7) Skyfall: Aston Martin DB5 shows up but no real car chase showdown.
    8) SPECTRE: Won't say either way so i don't spoil anything

    :-\"

    You can add Blofeld to the mix: the first part of his name means blue.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited June 2015 Posts: 23,883
    I noticed a break in pattern actually and it may have had repurcussions for one actor, namely Pierce Brosnan.

    All the Bond actors who've had more than one Bond to their name have had a more low key, somewhat eccentric or unique spy like 2nd film..... except PB, namely:

    SC - FRWL (feel still not able to be duplicated to this day)
    RM - TMWTGG (eccentric)
    TD - LTK (really off the wall)
    DC - QoS (similarly eccentric)

    PB had the overblown, let's play it safe, TSWLM/YOLT style TND, which was a break in pattern. To some extent, this may have impacted how his Bond was perceived critically over time.

    I think TND was a reaction to the massive LTK commercial failure (despite it being critically acclaimed in some circles, including by me, retrospectively). EON probably did not want to take that chance again, and so played it as safe as they could with the commercially appealing TND.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,183
    Connery's 4th film, TB, was his most successful one financially speaking.
    MR, Moore's 4th, was his.
    DAD, Brosnan's 4th, was his.

    Will SP be Craig's? :-)
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    Posts: 4,399
    these are kind of obvious ones but i'll say them anyway, and they involve director John Glen..

    1.) always uses the ol' "startled by animal" gag in each one of his Bond films..

    FYEO - when Bond is scaling the mountain to get to St. Cyril's.
    OP - when Bond is climbing around the outside of Kamal Kahn's palace.
    AVTAK - Bond sneaking into Stacy's house, cat runs by (the only instance of the "startle" gag that didn't involve a pigeon.
    TLD - at the end when Bond is sneaking into Whitaker's compound.
    LTK - when repelling down the outside of Sanchez' casino.

    ... side note - it was also John Glen who brought us the infamous double-taking pigeon, as he was editor on Moonraker.

    2.) uses the same scream for a man (usually) falling from high distance.
    MR - (as editor) when Bond takes the parachute from the pilot.
    OP - when Bond knocks Gobina off the plane.
    AVTAK - when the russian agent gets chopped up in the water pipe.
    TLD - when Necros gets the boot.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited June 2015 Posts: 18,281
    HASEROT wrote: »
    these are kind of obvious ones but i'll say them anyway, and they involve director John Glen..

    1.) always uses the ol' "startled by animal" gag in each one of his Bond films..

    FYEO - when Bond is scaling the mountain to get to St. Cyril's.
    OP - when Bond is climbing around the outside of Kamal Kahn's palace.
    AVTAK - Bond sneaking into Stacy's house, cat runs by (the only instance of the "startle" gag that didn't involve a pigeon.
    TLD - at the end when Bond is sneaking into Whitaker's compound.
    LTK - when repelling down the outside of Sanchez' casino.

    ... side note - it was also John Glen who brought us the infamous double-taking pigeon, as he was editor on Moonraker.

    2.) uses the same scream for a man (usually) falling from high distance.
    MR - (as editor) when Bond takes the parachute from the pilot.
    OP - when Bond knocks Gobina off the plane.
    AVTAK - when the russian agent gets chopped up in the water pipe.
    TLD - when Necros gets the boot.

    On point 2:

    Yes, I'd noticed those myself. It must be a "stock scream" or something. :D

    I've also noticed that the same "decelerating plane" sound is used more than once in the Bond films!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    For your ears only. ;)

  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited June 2015 Posts: 18,281
    Murdock wrote: »
    For your ears only. ;)


    Yes, so that's where I've heard it. It doesn't get much louder than a Stuka Dive Bomber, does it? :)
  • dinovelvetdinovelvet
    Posts: 709
    HASEROT wrote: »
    these are kind of obvious ones but i'll say them anyway, and they involve director John Glen..

    Glen also has Bond outside/around an aerial vehicle in all his films -

    FYEO, Bond outside a helicopter in the PTS
    OP, Bond hanging on to a plane
    AVTAK, Bond hanging on to a blimp
    TLD, Bond and Necros fighting on the cargo net
    LTK, Bond holding on to the back of Sanchez's plane.

    Here's another pattern that might clue us into when it's DC's final film. Look at all the previous actor's final films, all of them feature an American actress and an American location (Laz does not apply, obviously):

    Connery - DAF - Las Vegas + Jill St John (AND also applies to NSNA - Kim Basinger and some scenes filmed in Florida)
    Moore - AVTAK - San Francisco + Tanya Roberts
    Dalton - LTK - Key West + Carey Lowell
    Brosnan - DAD - Hawaii (surfing scenes filmed there) + Halle Berry

    So if we hear about Bond 25 taking Bond to Chicago with Jessica Chastain in the cast, start saying your goodbyes!



  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited June 2015 Posts: 23,883
    Good catch. I hope we see neither for some time yet, although I'll admit to being partial to Chastain.

    Here's one:
    The first Bond film of any new actor is usually well received (either at the time or retrospectively, as with OHMSS). So we have nothing to be concerned about post-DC.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,124
    Not sure if it is a pattern, but so far since the Craig era the villain has been played by a non-British actor. Unless Waltz is a red herring, that seems to be the case with SP.
  • OHMSS69OHMSS69
    Posts: 2,341
    I mentioned this before but all the women who bed down with Criag end up dying in the film.
    CR: Solange and Vesper
    QoS : Agent Fields
    SF Severine
  • TokolosheTokoloshe Under your bed
    Posts: 2,667
    OHMSS69 wrote: »
    I mentioned this before but all the women who bed down with Criag end up dying in the film.
    CR: Solange and Vesper
    QoS : Agent Fields
    SF Severine

    His fleeting floozy at the start of SF survives. Nonetheless it's not a good track record for his conquests thus far.

  • dinovelvetdinovelvet
    Posts: 709

    OHMSS69 wrote: »
    I mentioned this before but all the women who bed down with Criag end up dying in the film.
    CR: Solange and Vesper
    QoS : Agent Fields
    SF Severine

    Does this imply that Bond has slept with M? :D
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    dinovelvet wrote: »
    OHMSS69 wrote: »
    I mentioned this before but all the women who bed down with Criag end up dying in the film.
    CR: Solange and Vesper
    QoS : Agent Fields
    SF Severine

    Does this imply that Bond has slept with M? :D

    Well given that they left New Cross under the cover of darkness, there's no way they made it to Glencoe direct. I reckon they had a cheeky stop off on the M6. Bond seems like a Westmorland services guy, they have a decent farmshop and butcher's counter. As service stations go, it's a cut above. They also have the opportunity to get a cosy night at the Westmorland hotel, which certainly beats a Premier Inn (Bourne) or a Travelodge (Johnny English).
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    Murdock wrote: »
    For your ears only. ;)


    Indeed, the "recycling of the scream" :-P

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    That Moonraker scream gets me every time....just wonderful...like the guy's barfing his insides out
  • ThepastykidThepastykid
    Posts: 553
    RC7 wrote: »
    dinovelvet wrote: »
    OHMSS69 wrote: »
    I mentioned this before but all the women who bed down with Criag end up dying in the film.
    CR: Solange and Vesper
    QoS : Agent Fields
    SF Severine

    Does this imply that Bond has slept with M? :D

    Well given that they left New Cross under the cover of darkness, there's no way they made it to Glencoe direct. I reckon they had a cheeky stop off on the M6. Bond seems like a Westmorland services guy, they have a decent farmshop and butcher's counter. As service stations go, it's a cut above. They also have the opportunity to get a cosy night at the Westmorland hotel, which certainly beats a Premier Inn (Bourne) or a Travelodge (Johnny English).

    So he was able to give her a decent sausage....that's nice.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited June 2015 Posts: 4,520
    More behind the mirror, in the spotlight or other varitions:
    CR: Bond himself spotted by Camera. Bond spotted the Astin DB5 on camera. Bond himself spotted by Mr White behind a wall. Mr White Spotted by Bond.
    QOS: Libary behind glass, somebody waiting on you behind glass door (Slade) Tanner looking to his laptop, whyle Dench M close is to him behind another wall of glass. Bond Spy on Quantum members. Bond in spotlicht at start of the maintitle.
    Skyfall: Mirror of glass in the maintitles. There is more behind the wall in the maintitle. ''Done'' Scene. Secret door in Skyfall. M and Kinkade spotted by light. Q, Tanner spotted Astin Martin. Silva Spotted Bond and M by traffic light camera's. Silva stay in the spotlights twice by Helicopter light.

    Janus / two or three sides
    Goldeneye
    TMND
    Twine
    Die Another Day
    CR
    QOS
    Skyfall
    Spectre
    Bond 25

    Skyfall:

    Neighbours: England/Scotland Turkey/ Greece
    Front runners - example / Central point/ Asian Country's: Turkey / China

    Spectre:

    The Believers: Italy (Rome) / Marocco / Mexico


    I don't whant to repeay to much, but let i repeat the Neal Pervis and Robert wade love for boats and the boat from Twine be seen in almoost every Bond movie is written by them. (Example: In Die Another Day used by Falco/Jinx, in Skyfall the boat to island) Every Daniel Craig Bond movie include Grave machiene in the beginning of the movie, 2 of them be in the pretitle scene (QOS/Skyfall) and in 2 of them he using it (CR/Skyfall).
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited October 2015 Posts: 14,584
    Just discovered this pattern.

    SPECTRE CLAPPERBOARD SPOILER AHEAD
    Starting with the biographical TV film Goldeneye: The Secret Life of Ian Fleming in 1989, every 13 years we see the Birds of the West Indies field guide in a Bond-related film:

    <a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GGS7tV7tH0E/UnzK0X3-lDI/AAAAAAAASwY/JMdEwcVavfI/s640/Goldeneye+1989+%2845%29.jpg&quot;&gt;Goldeneye TV film (1989)</a>

    <a href="http://007zone.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/JamesBond-westindies.jpg">Die Another Day (2002)</a>

    <a href="http://fandimefilmu.cz/gal/Filmy/Bond_24/Spectre_182.jpg">Spectre (2015)</a>

    Continuing the pattern, the next appearance would be in 2028, in the form of the purple-covered 5th Edition we see in DAD. This is of course, if we do actually see the book in Spectre- which I think we will, if only as background set dressing.

    Another pattern I noticed is that the book appears in the same year as every fourth Bond film released:

    1989 (LTK = film #16);
    2002 (DAD = film #20);
    2015 (SP = film #24)

    Continuing this pattern, the next appearance would be in film #28 - in 2028...
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    Posts: 2,252
    It rains in all of Craig's films. Up to Craig, it hadn't rained in any Bond movie
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