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Assuming I'm still kicking, I'll almost certainly still be saying QUANTUM was the only rewatchable pic out of the whole reboot era, AND the only one I honestly enjoyed seeing, in spite of my ever-present disdain for the principal casting.
(of course by THEN they will be saying it isn't cut fast enough.)
oh dear! :)) I bloody well hope not! :))
Yeah, I like DAF pretty much as it is, except for a few cringeworthy elements.
A thought just occurred to me, is the Blofeld clone idea hatched from the original premise of the film containing Goldfinger s twin brother?
A View To A Kill is a guilty pleasure for sure. Currently my 13th ranked Bond movie, it's seriously underrated. I think Moore looked too old in AVTAK (perfect in OP obviously) and Mayday turning into an ally was a weak point but the movie has a lot of strong features including Zorin, the Golden Gate Bridge finale, a fair few truly dark and sinister moments and the fantastic pre credits sequence.
FYI - Diamonds are Forever, Moonraker and A View To A Kill rank comfortably higher than any Brosnan or Craig offering for me, True Bond movies from start to finish
Quantum of Solace is a fiasco from start to finish. I hate it. Everything about it is hideous and it's easily the worst movie in the series. Nothing good to say about it. Craig looks bored and is trying too hard and fails. Dench pollutes the movie in every scene she is in. Woeful Bond girl, the worst villain, bad plot. Terrible, just utterly terrible.
As you know, the main issue people have with MR is the pigeon, Bondola, space, and Jaws in about that order. If people can look past that (and most can't), it's quite a grand adventure despite conveniently jumping from place to place. It looks like it will rank around the middle in my latest rankings, it's hardly the worst...it's so similar to TSWLM, and in many ways is better than it.
Exactly. =D>
I think they are "hated" so much, because despite the fact that they are fun Bond films....they simply can't escape the "Bond tag". Solely as a film they are lovely popcorn entertainment, but nothing else.
I guess that's different with movies like CR, OHMSS, SF, GF, TSWLM and GE: Those films did something groundbreaking. Had something "new" that those you mentioned didn't have. They were both good Bond films.....and good films on the whole.
By the way, here you can see the results of the "BIG BOND FILM CONTEST 2015" so far that is running on two IMDB-sub-forums:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2379713/board/thread/245015308
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000075/thread/245297664
I was interested to see what movie fans, who are not necessarily huge Bond fans, would think of the Bond films on IMDB. So far 44 people have voted.
None of them are 'hating' the movies you just mentioned @BondJasonBond006 ;-). But.....people simply don't like them as much....
Thanks for the updated chart. The astonishing thing is that 7 out of the Top 11 movies I have in my Top 11 too!!!
Furthermore DAF, TMWTGG, AVTAK and QOS are in my bottom 5 too like in that list.
So I guess my Top Bond list is quite the average which I find really reassuring :)
You may have misunderstood the ranking method. 12 points go to the favourite movie, then 10 to the second, then 8 - 1 to No 3-10.
Meaning Licence To Kill received one time Top Spot with 12 points and 4 times 1 point which means voted 10th.
But still LTK received quite a lot of votes and ended up (so far) at No 11.
I definitely misunderstood. But it makes a lot more sense now. Not as much love for LTK as I thought. :( But not too bad either.
I found that really interesting!
This film is hit and miss for me, The fact it isn't a followup to OHMSS and that it's camp isn't very good is why this film is ultimately a letdown. It's certainly entertaining in a weird way but not that good. I consider it more a sequel to YOLT than OHMSS. But that's for the sanity of my Bond head canon. :P
MR.
I love Moonraker. It's pure entertainment. Sure I don't like the Hovercraft invading Venice square but other than that I love this film. I can see why it's hated though. It's terrible as a Bond movie but judged by it's own merits as a movie, It's pure class.
AVTAK.
This one is also mixed for me. It starts promising but by the second act it starts to nosedive. Moore is too old and it shows from his bad facelift. Zorin is just hammy to me. And guns down his men for the sake of it. It just felt contrived to me.
DAD.
I enjoy this film up until the VR training scene. That's when it stops being a Bond movie and just flies off the rails of reality. Physics is thrown out the window for contrived actions scenes, glacier surfing and solar death rays of doom. As well as magic plastic surgery that can turn you into different people so recasting can be a breeze instead of going practical and putting prosthetic on an actor to make them look different realistically. Jinx just plain Stinx and is a terrible character and secret agent. Even more so if Michael Madsen didn't care if she died. :)) Oh and that finale helicopter sequence has even worse green screen effects than the rear projection of Dr. No.
QOS.
Rushed story, super quick cut editing and M's incompetence and whining about trust are this films biggest flaws. Other than that it's still enjoyable.
The Moore films are classics, hence why rankings are bullshit.
Well, such a remark certainly brings in some nuance.
There's no nuance in assigning an arbitrary number to something. If you explain to me why something is great or terrible I can converse. Saying something has earned 12 points is meaningless bullshit.
This is just a poll man. And you know what? People do it or participate in it because they think it's fun.
Assigning points to.....songs, Eurovision, figure skating events, gymnastics events, equistrian sports, dressage, penalties....hell, even films on shortlists at the Academy, BAFTA Awards.....is a perfect and accurate means of obtaining rankings from a points based system. It's done everywhere.
By the way, I really think you could tone down your vocabulary a bit. You make it sound as if I'm doing meaningless bullshit. Well, I've got a surprise for you then. I'm a Bond fan who loves rankings.....and who thinks it's the best way of getting insight on how people on average rate certain Bond films. And, again, the biggest reason why it isn't bullshit, is because I love doing it. Do you want to deprive me of that?
Woe is me.
Have a lie down, man. One man's trash is another man's treasure. Unless I harness the power eternia and corrupt your mind I think you'll be fine to continue ranking yourself silly.
If someone doesn't want to participate in polls or finds rankings stupid we have to accept that of course.
Here's the IMDB results compared to 164 MI6 ranks. I will post the full comparisons eventually (CBn and AJB). The colours are what I've found to be tier levels which for the most part apply across the aforementioned websites and also the general community.
Within the tiers the order varies, except the top 3 (FRWL>CR>OHMSS) and last position (DAD) are quite consistent, although GF remains #1 for the general population, and LTK is always one position better than FYEO
Off course. But that's not my issue. I think some people can simply use some different words. I rather find "meaningless bullshit" a bit too harsh....and slightly insulting.
Spot-on!
I probably ought to apologize, because at many points in history I either thought of or referred to the longest-tenured Bond's reign as 'meaningless bullshit.' And it WAS a bit of hyperbole. I mean, there's great Ken Adam and John Barry work and ingenious Derek Meddings work in a couple of those entries, so they aren't entirely bullshit.
Your sample size is minimal and the demographic is skewed. The Moore films may appear 'weak' in your sample, it doesn't mean they are weak. His portrayal is admired among many and hated by a small few. Hence I find the results pretty bullshit. Why you take this personally, I don't know. I much prefer looking at how individuals rate films comparatively, say DN against FRWL, rather than a homogenised 'whole', but that's just me.
The Moore films are camp, but not stupid camp. They are camp, OTT and silly in a way that gets the heart of every generation of people pumping at 300 beats per minute in terms of excitement.
DAF - somewhat poor production values in comparison to the earlier films, dated and sluggish in pace.
MR - Probably Bond at its most shallow and decorative. Other lesser films (like TWINE and DAD) may be flawed but they do TRY and do something different. I quite like MR but I admit that it's attitude is basically "we're just giving audiences what they want to see"
DAD - Horrible dialogue and horrible production values. Other weak aspects can be overlooked providing the film is competently made. I don't really think DAD can even claim that.
QoS - It's editing, subpar action and jumbled storyline.