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the way i see it, casino royale breaking tradition is fair enough, its a reboot, gets people reintrested, i can live with that. quantum of solace, mehhh pushin the limit now, but its CRs sequel so I'll let it slide.
But skyfall has no excuse. The reboot is more or less over (apart from afew characters needing introducing), so i want a proper bond film. It doesnt have to go crazy like DAD but, as licence to kill proved, you can have a good, realistic bond film while remaining a bond film.
The thing is shadow, all these traditions make a bond film a bond film. Its what made the films so famous. Take them away and you haven't really got a bond film.
That's exactly my point. This is a thread about the Skyfall gunbarrel, and yet you keep talking about the one in QOS.
No, it does not. Because we're discussing whether SKYFALL's gunbarrel will be more in line with the QUANTUM OF SOLACE gunbarrel, or one of the pre-Craig gunbarrels.
Think of all the young people of the past 40 years, who, for their first viewing of a Bond film, were mesmerized by the 20 seconds of the gunbarrel... a sequence that stuck in their minds for weeks. Yes, the gunbarrel is an integral part of the Bond films. Ask that to all the kids who have just discovered the Bond films.
So saying the gunbarrel at the start of the films is not an integral part of Bond films is just rewriting the history books of the franchise.
Just ask to anyone on this site, if they were blown away by the gunbarrel sequence at the start of their first ever viewing of a Bond film... 99% of them would answer yes.
I can see both sides of the argument playing out above. I agree that the QoS gunbarrel is a indeed a traditional gunbarrel; it's just in a non-traditional place in the run of the film. However, because the gunbarrel is the first part of the film proper (after studio logo) I can understand why people think it's a far more important tradition than "Bond, James Bond" or a martini ordered "shaken, not stirred" (which is redundant when ordering a vodka martini anyway!).
After CR I thought it would be interesting if they continued to use the gunbarrel sequence from that film for the rest of Craig's films. Slightly modified - have the white dots trace from left to right, but then pan over to find Craig in the centre of the screen, but white out the background so he isn't in a washroom. But after seeing the QoS gunbarrel I kind of like the return to the traditional style.
I can remember my frustrations on first viewing Royale back in 2006 and seeing what they had done to the franchise after 45 years of keeping it in order or how it should be, although DAD led slighlty astray with this, but at least it was at the start of the film where it should always be
(feel like having a lie down now)
@-)
And thats a good point. I don't think Deakins would do the design.. unless they actually shot down a barrel of a gun again. It'd be cool if they could mix a reallive barrel with cgi
As opposed to the previous cinematographers. Or have the cinematographers never worked on the gunbarrel sequence?
I don't know. If everybody wants it to stay the same, why make a thread about it if you don't want it to change?
I think Kleinman films the walking because he is the main titles designer. Binder held the same position and he filmed the walking part and designed the gunbarrel. One can assume Kleinman films the walking too.
That being said, I don't know for sure.
I'd really really love to see the title sequence following the gunbarrel, with an instrumental music, but not the James Bond theme. An instrumental a la From Russia with love. What do you think of the idea ?