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Why would Bond have died after OHMSS if they'd been social media in the '60s? I was thoroughly entertained by Spectre.
Oh heavens, I can only imagine the response...
#ConneryForever #WeWantConneryBack #SavetheScot #LazenbyWho? #Imposter #GoBacktoAustralia #OnHerMajestysSuckyService #FromRussiaWithHate #DrNoNoNo #ThisCannotBeReal #RIPHopes&Dreams #OurHopeDiesWithTracy
I think especially when you bring back THE iconic organization from the early Bond films, you cannot avoid building up huge expectations. One basic ingredient of a franchise is that certain elements repeat, one basic ingredient of a new entry in a series is that it keeps the level of or even surpasses the former entries. The same multiplies with an icon like SPECTRR. So what do you expect, people eating blindly out of Eon´s hands?
It all wouldn´t be a problem if Eon would be more focused, but if you want to please everybody that´s what you get.
An explosion would go off in a British Embassy in Paris and seconds later you'd read:
Not fast enough this time, 007.
#NumberOneSaysHi #EmpireinRuin #MI6OutofTricks
#SpectreSippyJuice
I thought as much :)
That's the problem with fans like Gustav ,
they literally accept anything that EON throws and praises it just because they love the series, while its not bad to love the series.
its because those fans eon can get away by throwing mediocre products at us because they know they will praise it endlessly and be oblivious to all the faults
@Skyfail, first of all, "mediocre" is an entirely subjective designation; some, many of my greatest friends on here in fact, adored Spectre.
Secondly, while some people surely have the habit of blindly accepting anything Bond-related that is given to them, I don't think Gustav is the type to be led like a dog with a scent. He, like me is so positive about these films because we love the way they're being made, and how serious and true they adhere to a deeper, more interesting Bond character. Again, that's our subjective feelings on it, and we aren't uncritical about the era either. Many have torn QoS to shreds in the past, and I haven't exactly rolled out the red carpet for SP either. We aren't slaves to EON, and we aren't mindless fools either. I can't speak for Gustav but I can get dressed by myself like a big boy in two minutes flat on a good morning, and don't need any assistance.
Thirdly, being positive in a time like this one where everyone is being so predictably heinous and negative doesn't seem that illogical, does it? Why the hell can't Gustav love SP the way he does? Have his civil rights been receded? Has his Bond badge of honor been burnt to a crisp? I quite like seeing someone like him being very loud and proud about the film's strengths, because for someone like me who may be on the fence about SP hearing what he feels are the major strengths of the film helps me to see what I might not have connected to on my first viewing. He's given great insight into what he saw as some of Blofeld's motivations during the torture scene, for example, and that has helped me immensely in giving the scene more props than I did initially.
I like to think that I and many other members helped do much the same with QoS, where we were positive about it as a Bond film, outlined the great things we saw in it and in the process, converted a lot of people who used to write it off as equal or worse to DAD. I think we repeated that with SF in some ways too.
But I can also see how easy it is to be swept up in the negativity party that everyone is throwing around SP, which I do find entirely undeserved. Of course, while some don't like super positive people like Gustav, super negative people can be just as bad and just as "blind"; you aren't any better than him or others simply because you criticize a film to death; it all comes down to personal choice, where nobody is more right or more wrong about any particular thing. You've made your bed, he's made his, and that's all it really comes down to, so the pillow fighting can stop.
Of course, with a name like Skyfail it's not surprising to see that some of us would rather hack and slash a film to pieces instead of giving to it the benefit of the doubt or even the slightest iota of positivity in any respect. Cheers.
Beg your pardon? WTF :-O.
You should have read my comments, my criticism on three of the four Brosnan films. And also "Quantum Of Solace".
So I am NOT praising the entire franchise....and certainly NOT every one of those 24 official Bond films.
Basically you imply something by saying "throwing mediocre products at us". And such a remark IMO smells. Lastly, there is NEVER a problem with fans. Never, if you're for or against a Bond film. It does become a bit irritating though if people can not post a serious set of objective pro's and con's anymore per film.
And in here, with all due respect for "Rogue Nation" (I liked the film a lot), it has become mostly a huge collections of con's with SP and pro's with RN. Hardly objective! So I am only reacting to that....to counterbalance it a bit.
Moreover @Sark: You didn't even read my review about "SPECTRE". I certainly had some problems with the film. And I mentioned them fiercefully. But apparently these kind of topics only swarm in negativity.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and to be heard. If someone disagrees, then politely state your case and move on. As I mentioned before, everything is subjective here anyway. No one is an arbiter of taste when it comes to Bond. We all have our views. It's the nature of the discourse that's important.
There is a Spectre appreciation thread for those who are so inclined.
I think Spectre is better than Skyfall in a Bondian aspect ,
but that isn't my point
but had the fans been more critical with skyfall with its plot holes and action scenes .
we would have ended up with a better movie because EON would have known they 'd have step up their game, by making a film with an airtight plot .
in this they just went with not explaining how Silva was connected with Spectre or how everything went into place ...they made up for all this with that dialogue " the author of all your pain", had the fans been more critical with Skyfall that definitely wouldn't have happened .
Again, where is this magical population that blindly loved SF? Everyone here that I know who liked SF was critical of it as well, including myself. I've said before that SP does many, many things far superior to Skyfall.
Fans who love that film shouldn't be pointed at when blame needs passed around. Lest you forgot, it was a universal critical and financial behemoth that resonated with millions upon millions of people. THAT was why EON stayed true on their course, and a group of Bond fans trying to shout above the noise about its faults wasn't going to stop that.
But again, I like how these films have been tackled, so I'm not of that party. That being said, I will also not be marked alongside my good friends as some EON manipulated mule.
Ok
You're still my friend but let's not watch a Bond film together any more. :)
I probably will see SP again at least a third time, simply because I cannot believe my own negativity toward a Bond film. But, yeah, as so many of us here, that won´t keep me from uttering my critcism.
What do you mean by "more critical"? Eon got Mendes back because he made them billions of dollars. Lamenting fans wouldn´t have changed that a bit, as long as the ticket sales soar, because Eon is most of all an industrial enterprise.
Besides that, I can clearly recall that SF´s plot holes and such things were harshly critcised on these forums.
As an aside I still like SP better than SF but not as much as MI:RN, maybe I'll change my view over time but I severely doubt it.
Has It surpassed Bond, no of course not, it doesn't have the history, it's just IMHO Mission Impossible is better at this precise moment based on the most recent films from each prospective franchise, so to EON, your end of year report is, could & must do better.
This is spot on.
This is spot on.
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Rogue Nation is my second favourite MI film, but I still like SPECTRE more just because BOND. Yet I will agree that EON needs to up its game. With 3 years in between films and money to spend, a rock solid script and an Arnold score is really not too much to ask for, or indeed expect.
Agreed and it'll be shocking if Bond 25 ends up being more of the same lacklustre material as SF and SP considering what tge competition are putting out and how audiences respond to it. MI6 has already been green lit and we know Ferguson is returning as tge female lead and Bourne returns next year...and I have no doubt it's going to show everyone what an action packed spy thriller is suppose to look like. Seriously, Bond 25 is a movie with so many advantages to exploit that it should end up being the best movie of the Craig era but that can only happen if the producers go in with the same hunger and drive they back in '05.