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It's amazing how such a concept is alien to so many people, especially those running the show.
You think Sam Mendes and Martin Campbell are better directors when it comes to make certain dialogue more convincing, emotional and dramatic?
Big question.
Fundementally I would say yes.
Not so much in SP, but I'm not sure if that was on account of Mendes or the less than impressive script that he had to work with, with few memorable lines. The more I think about it, I think I may have preferred the film with a different actress playing Swann and a different actor playing Blofeld, even with the same script, dialogue & dull action sequencing. There is something about Seydoux's delivery which is off to me in many places, and Waltz is just too familiar to me and synonymous with Landa to really be credible in the less 'dramatic' role of Blofeld as written for SP.
I can see that. To me it just seems like Mendes lost heart making SP.
I find it odd no commentary on DVD/blu-ray releases.
Consistently shit, maybe.
Craig is certainly a far more credible Bond in nearly every way in comparison to Brosnan, I agree. Outside of Bond, I do very much like Brosnan's work in general though.
Without Moore the franchise would have died long ago.
I agree on the qualities the next Bond needs and its great we agree Bond does need the female audience.
And even though the global reception has been great I don't think Bond is right now so popular with the ladies. The success is mostly because of boys and action fans, many women do like them but not all.
With Pierce most women loved Bond or at least loved to watch Pierce as Bond. So a looker Bond would be fantastic.
I agree Brosnan films were critically wanting but as far as financially they did perform well enough to keep Bond alive. In fact I think in NA at least each film earned slightly more than its immediate predecessor except for maybe TWINE.
Most of all though, I agree with you that the last three eras haven't quite lived up to their initial promise.
The furore made over Dan coming out of the water in his blue swimming trunks seemed to suggest the female population in general were more than happy with the change from Broz. I don't remember any similar articles in the press gushing over Brozza in his trunks in the GE sauna scene.
He should have been emaciated after all that time in a North Korean prison but looked like he'd been on a diet of ale and pies.
One thing Brozza can't be accused of is taking characterisation too seriously.
Quite. How many women and, indeed, gay and bi men (for we are an all inclusive forum here - well unless you like Jinx, Another Way to Die or Rory Kinnear's Tanner) were aroused by Pierce's gelatinous gut wobbling through the Hong Kong hotel lobby?
Brozza is Kays Catalogue modelling a jumper whilst posing next to a Black & Decker Workmate good looking whereas Dan strikes me as a proper man.
Dan strikes you as being as much at home drinking in the dirtiest dive bar in the back streets of Caracas as he is in a gentleman's club in Pall Mall. Whereas Brozza seems like he only belongs in the bar at the Zurich airport Radisson.
(Although just for the record I hasten to add that I am not in the least bit qualified to judge the attractiveness of blokes. If we are talking about Eva or Lea's puppies though I am definitely your man.)
That's going a little too far, Pierce has never been a six pack abs kind of guy but you can't deny he has the face with great proportions and very nice to look at and i think still he looked very good in Die Another Day.
He was extremely good looking, definitely the most handosme in the traditional way. Craig sure had the better body but you show any woman both of them in their prime and all will tell you Pierce is the better looking guy.
So if we got another greatest hits Bond would look like if we got the best trait of each. Pierce's face, Daniel Craig's Body, Sean Connery's attitude, Roger Moore's sense of humor, Lazenby's fighting skills and Dalton's intensity.
So, basically it's because Pierce has a more attractive face?
Could you explain what 'traditionally handsome' exactly means, because I'm not sure I understand that term entirely. The way I see it, to be qualified as classically handsome you absolutely need to have a pretty face. That's the most important feature. Height and a good shaped body are also important, but pronounced or huge muscles are not necessary. Did I miss something, or is that it?
If only Pierce falls into that category, what do others lack?
Also, I think Fleming described Bond as cruelly or ruggedly handsome, so while I wouldn't mind a classically handsome actor, I don't think it's necessary, even for attracting female audience.
That said, Pierce was a fine Bond, even though I'm not a huge fan of his Bond films. He is pure Bond here: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ElDhB_0IQas/V7Qy5gwaEYI/AAAAAAAAXt4/vGK3qcopB4YSipuFQHvP1wtVr4qJXcLVwCJoC/w960-h1442/IMG0011.png
Yea, except in TSWLM Moore had a larger audience that wanted to see him again. Dalton was both too theatrical and too much of an acquired taste to keep an audience.
Don't attack me I liked Dalton ...just not a fan of Glen.
Well its the whole thing together, while Daniel has clearly the better body Pierce in good shape too. Just not as ripped as Daniel.
all the Bond were handsome its just that Pierce had the best looking facial features of them.
But i agree with you he was a great Bond.
Roger was critically and financially accepted right out of the gate? LALD did ok financially - probably similar to TLD. But TMWTGG certainly wasn't accepted on either count. LALD does better if you're adjusting for inflation - but also on those terms - Moonraker is the only Moore film that makes the top half of all Bond films financially.
Basically - Roger's and Tim's sophomoric outings were met with lukewarm responses and the future was questioned - even loudly in TMWTGG's case within contemporary reviews. Roger bounced back with bigger, better TSWLM after a long three year gap. But I agree with your assertion that Tim never really won over the public the way Roger eventually did. And I'm not sure if Dalton (as much as I love him) ever would have.