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1. Find a theory from the mid 1800's that hasn't been discussed that week (don't ask why but all of these including the recycled myth conspiracy comes from the mid 1800's)
2. Utilize old obscure documents that are usually misinterpretations or in some cases simply made up
3. Never utilize cutting edge research as it will be the death of your claims
4. Always be vague never go into too much detail in any way shape or form.
Michael Skepner is a proponent (or was at one point) of the rescycled myth theory the issue of course is the example he likes to use is Osris and well if the makers of that myth were to come to our world today hey would be suing Mary Shelly not Matthew Mark Luke and John. Though here is the way Skepner tells it, Horus (now I am going off of memory rather then Wikipedia) was killed in a very torturous way had followers and rose again after three days. Sound familiar to anyone.. Only Problem is that here is how most Egyptologist believe the myth goes that Osris did die only a he was scattered across the four winds and Isis his lover sowed up the parts and made love to the corpse and gave birth to Horus shouting it's alive... Yeah sounds like a whole mother story written in the 1800's doesn't it. Now true some mystery religions in the second and third centuries borrow from Christ but really if anything it's the bible being plagerized not the other way around the only thing the New Testament "steals" from heavily is the Old Testament which makes sense. Apart from that most resurrection myths like he goddess Easter are really just based around crop cycles and while they involve a ressurection of some kind when going through the myths and then the story of Jesus of Nazareth there are minimal similarities.
American motorists kill twice that many on an average year (see I can quote from one of the most boring bond films ever)
As for thunder finger it's has been a while since I studied world religions but I see two in your list that can be disqualified instantly
With Budda there is no ressurection only reincarnation.
Pyhtagrious if I am remembering my Greek history correctly was never considered a god until the brilliant Raymend Benson released a novel called the Facts of Death (which of course was written 2000 years after the bible)
Apollo o don't believe was resurrected either he ascended to the heavens after being on a journey if memory serve me rightly again it's been a while. Balder and Mithra were both mystery religions that sprang up after Christianity and Krishnia doesn't so much ressurection but takes on various forms the creator and destroyer. Again this is all based on memory and give me a week or so and I can do more research of the above isn't suffecent enough.
While I don't doubt there may have been someone like Jesus at the time (doing non-supernatural deeds and trying to stand up for Jews in "non-magical" ways) who was then sent to death like John the Baptist for opposing those like Herod who despised their efforts, the man as depicted in any religious source couldn't have existed. I shouldn't have to point that out, but in this case, I guess I must.
You can write useless paragraph after paragraph trying to defend your masters work, but if we're really going to debate about whether Christ rose from the dead on the third day, I must say I refuse to lose more brain cells to you than I already have discussing this tripe. You can't really strive to call other people here blind when you're the one banging your head into a wall every time you try to round a corner.
@Thunderpussy, the God of the bible is an absolute monster, yes. He creates everything and has control over what's created, yet has a fit when (gasp) things go belly up.
My favorite is when God allows his greatest follower, a simple and good man named Job to be tortured by Satan, given sickness, robbed of his family and put through more endless tragedies just so he can prove to Satan that no matter what he could do to Job, he would never lose faith in a "God."
I love the religious who call themselves "God fearing," as it's so bogus and backward. If you're thick enough to believe in something like that, and on top of it you fear the person you're counting on leading you to salvation, you might as well find the nearest bridge and do a belly flop of it onto a shore of rocks.
Cleverer minds of ancient times counted on people falling straight in line to follow these bullshit tenets, therefore the bible and those who crafted it represent and lead the single most continuous act of social control ever orchestrated in our world. While in the far past it must've been great having a book you could throw at someone misbehaving to tell them, "you're going to hell if you do that shit again," after a while the populace's ignorance balloons and balloons until it feels ready to burst. In the modern age where we're developing at such a steady degree technologically and socially, the last thing we need are these God fearing sort who hold everything back. We've got enough loons out there today acting in despicable ways because they think their acts will deliver them to divine reward and salvation. Terrorists following the radical teachings of Islam and Buford and Mary who pray on their knees to God in a baptist church, pleading for more money (instead of trying to get an actual job and get it themselves) both suffer from the same mental virus of belief in the unbelievable.
People waste so much time putting their belief in this stuff, all for nothing.
For those seeking vindication for the sense they have not to indulge in fantasy outside of their light fiction reading before bedtime, I give you our greatest modern day philosopher, Rust Cohle, who speaks paralyzing truth to the fever dreams of the religious:
^ @DarthDimi, Rust is a character right up your alley.
So instead of reading through my thoughtful work your simply going to say ridiculous comments like that.
Well like I said your incredibly Naive and I guess that with all those "wasted brain cells" you have lost the ability to use common sense and reason sigh
Just once I would like an actual counter argument instead of name calling but that is too much to hope for from this crowd of "intellectuals"
Me and the other "non-believers" counter all the time, but we get just as much bullshit back in reply as you say we give you, especially on arguments about ghosts, as sensations of hauntings are explained away by environmental phenomenon acting on the human body. In instances like this, however, it's not difficult to imagine that we feel ludicrous for debating with you whether a man can die and rise from the dead, right? Right?
For all the brain cells I lose to these debates, I sleep soundly in the solace that I'm not living my life in a feigned image of salvation and prayer, and that I'm not hoping endlessly for a paradise that isn't awaiting me beyond six feet of piled on dirt at the end of this "life" gig.
While I'm here, more words from another great philosopher:
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Also, I had to apologise to my friend as I was not sure if he was pulling my leg but I since found this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_on_Shabbat
Before anyone comes up with a claim I am anti jewish, hopefully my previous posts will show that I treat all religions with equal distain so there is no favouratism.
How is this relevant to the thread? Well, it struck me as some what ironic that some ghosts are claimed to turn lights on and off and other relgions forbid live humans from doing the same thing. If only they could get together? The orthodox jewish community could invite the ghosts around on their holy day to turn the lights on for them.
How do you think you would you have dealt with it, if you were in your friend's position?
By agreeing to the request, you become part of the issue. People have every right to live in what ever land of delusion they choose. But if the World they create involves relying on non-beleivers to help them go along with their rules, they have crossed the line.
I also know that I am consistant in that atheism asks nothing from others. I turn my own lights on, cook my own food etc etc My belief system does not require confirmation/assistance from third parties
PS Imagine how my neighbour would react if I asked him to feed my invisible dragon whilst I was on holiday? (thankfully, my mum comes round)
Perhaps non believers are already on their way to hell anyway so turning a light on is not going to make a big difference but, yes, there is an ellement of hypocrisy and selfishness within the request
Dammit, you're right. The only solution is to smash all the bulbs in your house, then buy new ones when the blackout period is over.
When she asked me I simply said the Thai people live in an area prone to such geological events and that the bible was the greatest work of fiction ever written, by the Romans to appease a growing difference in beliefs and that it encapsulates aspects from a lot of beliefs, I also told her the vicar was right that at the time the bible was written people didn't know about the dinosaurs to which she said well if they didn't know that how can they know about Adam and Eve and the creation of the world? Exactly I replied..
C'mon apply a bit of logic man! Far easier to just remove the main fuse than go to the expense of buying new bulbs! :-bd
My personal take on religion is that it was (is) used as a means of controlling the masses.
Ancient man new of the dinosaurs existence and there is enough archeological proof to showcase it from the picture of the triceratops at Ankor Wat to Trex bones in Ancient Greece etc so I have no disproven two myths
1. Dinosaurs were indeed in the bible
2. Ancient man new these species existed but didn't use 20th century words to describe them.
16 Lo now, his strength [is] in his loins, and his force [is] in the navel of his belly.
17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
18 His bones [are as] strong pieces of brass; his bones [are] like bars of iron.
19 He [is] the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his
sword to approach [unto him].
20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.
22 The shady trees cover him [with] their shadow; the willows of the brook
compass him about.
23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, [and] hasteth not: he trusteth that he
can draw up Jordan into his mouth.
24 He taketh it with his eyes: [his] nose pierceth through snares.
Yes, uncanny, what a great description.
On the point about changing the thread title to being about all of the paranormal, I am also opposed to that as well. Ghosts is a broad enough subject to discuss in one thread without going off on any tangents and there is 'Dragonpol's Strange and Bizarre Mysterious World' thread already created to discuss such phenomena.
If someone wants to start a religion thread go ahead by all means but this thread really is not the place for such a discussion.
A huge amount of ghost sightings happen in around religious buildings church's etc most of the people frequenting these places are of religious mind sets and are preconditioned to accept such things as ghosts, the existence of priests performing exorcism's bridges the religion/ paranormal gap, validating any posts on this thread concerning these topics I would say
I was just about to do that. Should I go ahead?
Go for it!