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TWINE sits firmly at the bottom of my ranking except for its rip off that is even one place below TWINE
Other Bond movies that I personally love, that some others hate, I can understand... I love LTK but some hate it because it's too out of formula. OK, I get it. I love SP but some hate it because it's too formula. OK, I get it.
TWINE though, I've never understood the hate. You can't blame the entire thing on Denise Richards (though I agree that miscasting was the worst thing about the movie). I found the Boris character every bit as annoying a character in GE, but that alone doesn't completely ruin that movie. GE's stunts are just as over-the-top as TWINE's stunts (and I love ott stunts, it's one my favorite things about Bond movies), so it can't be the OTT stunts.
What gives with the TWINE hate? I really just wanna understand what I'm not seeing.
What a strange thing to say.
Craig and the script are the best thing about Casino Royale. Period.
Better than EVA GREEN??? Ridiculous.
Better than the direction??? Ludicrous.
Better than the score and theme song???? Hilarious.
The forum is really acting up today when it comes to posting.
Easy. She had her kicks, now he wanted his turn.
Fun fact: Lotte Lenya said that after she became big-time famous off the back of FRWL, every time people came up to speak with her, they would always check her feet first. A great image, that.
OMG, Putrumpary or whatever is attacking MI6...
Yes. The best Bond since Connery and even better after the low point Brosnan era. Plus a Flemingesque script after a pastiche middle of the road era.
The best Bond since Connery?? Now it gets grotesque.
Dalton was way better, so was Moore.
Flemingesque scipt?? About as Flemingesque as Casino Royale 67 I would say.
I wouldn't go as far as comparing it to CR'67 but he does have a point.
The first half has nothing to do with the novel. As well as the Bond Begins angle.
The only aspects that remain from the novel are the casino/torture/suicide scenes and they had all been altered as well.
Especially Vesper's suicide misses the subtlety of the novel.
+1
1) Casino
2) Spectre
3) Quantum
4) Skyfall
Yes at the bottom of the Craig series for multiple reasons.. I would take Spectre and Quantum over Skyfall any day.
I never saw the hype with SF and was super disappointed when I saw it.
I have watched it maybe 10 times by now and there are some decent parts but it's just way to bland. I think I was mainly annoyed with the whole Bond going rogue thing which has been done to death. Yes I know he goes somewhat rogue in Qos but still he goes rogue in that one and the very next film he goes rogue yet again??Quantum has one of the best car chases in movie history, the location themed music intros, action sequences, climax is super epic and the ending is perfect.
I still don't get all the hate!
Which climax do you mean? Sorry but I don't see neither a great climax nor any great action scene. The fight between Greene and Bond who is at least twice as strong is so extremey unexciting. In my eyes it is a very generic underwhelming action movie in the tradition of the Bourne films with an overly serious tone and without any sense of self reflexion and irony which used to seperate the Bond films from causal action films.
The entire building and location they are in is a true Bond villain lair..
It's in an exotic location, the building is on fire and falling a part and you have Bond fighting against a crazy man swinging an axe at him. Sure Bond is a way better fighter but he is still in a burning building fighting against a man with an axe... The movie had so many great moments.
You can't say that the car chase is not one of the best car chases of all time it is truly amazing. The camera cuts and roar of the engines. Just wow. The opera sequence, boat scene, opening chase sequence, various fight scenes, Bond escaping the CIA. The film is a Bond film to me. It's also different and fun. It keeps the story and film moving.
It's probably one of the only Bond films that does not have any boring parts.
I like it less and less on each viewing. The PTS is great, the rest is garbage
- Horrible script. Many cringeworthy lines.
- Terrible action (apart from PTS)
- Soap opera plot falls flat "knew about my shoulder". Bond and Elektra sound like schoolkids bullying each other
- Worst use of locations (where is Istanbul?) And where is Azerbaijan?
To adapt just the CR novel would make for a shorter film, with a limited appeal. The script added more atmosphere through more locations and characters outside just Bond and Mathis in the field to build up a strong narrative, including the necessary action for audiences.
We just had this discussion days ago, but CR isn't trying to be endlessly faithful, because it would be impossible to do so out of the 50s time period. However, as @suavejmf says, all the big beats are there, including Le Chiffre's motivations, a near-death experience for Bond during the card game, his connection with Vesper, her betrayal and later suicide, and Bond's mood after he finds Vesper and contacts M, denying the effect she had on him ("the bitch is dead").
There are many things in the film that I would argue even improves upon the novel. The card game is just as good, and the poisoning of Bond is a good substitute, even better, than a gun being pressed behind his chair at the card table. Vesper as a character is also better handled, as she annoys me in the novel and I struggle to see why Bond was attracted to her; in the film she is strong, alluring and complicated without seeming like a damsel or annoyance. While her suicide in the film isn't as quiet as the one in the book, it gives me chills every time to see Vesper lock herself away out of Bond's reach. Eva's performance makes it look like she's really dying, and it's uncomfortable and haunting to watch. When Bond finally breaks through the elevator and gets her out, but fails to resuscitate her back to life, the agony on his face as his breathing intensifies to hysterics is tragic.
Some corrections:
If we take the definition of 'going rogue' to be "to cease to follow orders; to act on one's own, usually against expectation or instruction," then Bond doesn't go rogue in either QoS or SF.
In QoS Bond is always working the mission, following his orders. He doesn't ignore what M wants him to do, as he keeps on tracking Greene and his associates, and even gets Mathis involved to help, as well as Felix. On the British side the worry is that Bond is going to unleash himself on Vesper's killer, but in reality Bond is doing everything unmotivated by his anger and rage. Even when M travels to Bolivia to take him in, he escapes and talks to her after, letting her know that his/their mission will be completed, and Greene will be taken care of. When Tanner tells her about the CIA, M says, "I couldn't give a shit about the CIA and their trumped-up evidence. Bond is my agent, and I trust him."
There's never a moment where Bond is doing something that isn't asked of him, something M doesn't want, and when she finally sees that he has been following orders the entire way, she gets it and takes control, even after the CIA have a capture or kill order out on him. At the end of the film, when M asks Bond to come back in, he says, "I never left," and he's not wrong. In a movie all about revenge, Bond never sought his own and did only what his mission demanded, like a true professional. Vesper would be proud.
Going into Skyfall, now I'm really grasping at straws about where Bond went rogue. After he got shot he recuperated in Turkey, but he wasn't on a mission or acting as an agent outside his orders or jurisdiction, so it can't be that (all he does is recover from the shot and get hammered at a bar). Later, when he takes M to Scotland it's with the help of MI6, so again, I wouldn't call that very roguish behavior, especially since his boss is in his passenger's seat.
Bond never truly goes rogue in any movie, and largely because that's just unBondian. He's a professional and follows orders, even when he disagrees with them or lacks the resources to complete his mission; he always finds a way. Even in LTK, in the fog or rage, he gets Sanchez reigned in, finishing what he started, while avenging Della as a side bonus.
As Bond says to M in QoS, "I'm motivated by my duty."
Ok I just think we have different tastes. I find the building completely stupid. Why should there even be a hotel in the middle of the desert. Obviously nobody wants to stay there since it has no guests and only one employee. It is also not really explained why the whole building is set on fire out of the sudden. But the scene is also not really intense since the fight between Bond and Greene is very unequal and lacks any interesting development. That the building is on fire is also not explained well and also not really a bigger issue. Greene does get out of the building easily and so do Bond and Camille. I never really felt any danger. In my eyes, the burning elevator scene in AVAK is much more intense than the burning eco hotel.